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**FORD** · 03-31-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Train

The real truth isn't so much what they are paying them, but the legacy pension costs which makes their cost structure so much higher than the competition and has crippled them as such for many years.

And if we had single payer health care, like most other sane countries, that legacy cost would be a lot less.

**Big Train** · 03-31-2009, 03:00 AM

That's a bit of a stretch, since this pension system started something like 45 years ago, when the costs where nowhere what they are now.

The truth is, if your going to make a huge obligation like that (ala Social Security) the money should be assured to be set aside. In this case, as in other where they got screwed (was it Northwest Airlines a few years back), they did not. If you want a rule, that should be it.

**FORD** · 03-31-2009, 03:44 AM

Well, the health care was actually in the federal budget way back in 1947. President Truman was trying to set it up here around the same time most of the other countries were doing it, but (as usual) the Repuke Congress got in the way. In fact the German & Japanese systems were set up by the occupational post war governments, and based on what was supposed to be deployed here.

**Nickdfresh** · 03-31-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Train

The real truth isn't so much what they are paying them, but the legacy pension costs which makes their cost structure so much higher than the competition and has crippled them as such for many years.

Very true...

We should also add that the fact that the Japanese gov't takes care of much of their workers' health care has also been a significant factor in their profitability over American brands...

**ZahZoo** · 03-31-2009, 04:15 PM

**Ally_Kat** · 03-31-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Igosplut

Bottom line, Unions can be good and bad.

For Elvis, they would be good at his point in time. For the auto industry, they are top-heavy, and bad at this point in time...

The problem comes when they get big. The right hand won't know what the left hand is doing and all hell breaks loose.

**Little Texan** · 04-03-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ELVIS

No sir, I have no health care...

You work in the medical field as a nurse providing healthcare services to others, but you don't receive health coverage, yourself? That's just wrong!

**WACF** · 04-04-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Little Texan

You work in the medical field as a nurse providing healthcare services to others, but you don't receive health coverage, yourself? That's just wrong!

He needs a union...

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