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**jhale667** · 08-19-2009, 11:08 PM

Yeah FYI Buckfag, the group that placed this guy are the same people claiming Waco was and the OK City bombing were "manufactured events" ...anti-government freakbags (ironically, no mention of 9/11)...

**standin** · 08-19-2009, 11:09 PM

Of course I am a tool. We are all tools. It is by mercy that we are not used as tools for exploitations.

**standin** · 08-19-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jhale667

Yeah FYI Buckfag, the group that placed this guy are the same people claiming Waco was and the OK City bombing were "manufactured events" ...anti-government freakbags (ironically, no mention of 9/11)...

It was manufactured, but not by the goverment

**jhale667** · 08-19-2009, 11:13 PM

Heavily-Armed '90s Militia, Linked To Anti-Obama Activist, Resisted 'New World Order'
By Justin Elliott

Let's delve a little bit deeper into the black helicopter-infested world of the Viper Militia -- the 90's era group whose members ended up in federal prison and whose most prominent friend and defender, Ernest Hancock, staged the show of arms-bearing at an Obama event Monday.

A portrait of a feckless group of paranoid, right-wing, minimum wage-earning weapons enthusiasts -- 10 men and two women -- emerges from press accounts at the time.

Take Dean Pleasant, the Viper member whom Hancock called his good friend in an interview with TPMmuckraker yesterday. Pleasant couldn't hold onto jobs at Kathy's Donut Farm (too "lackadaisical," even though he always brought his Glock to work) or a part-time gig at military supply store Allied Surplus (where he was caught stealing "inexpensive items").

Others made a living with maintenance work and used furniture sales. They had formed a clique of like-minded gun enthusiasts with the name SHF -- Suicidal Hippie Fucks -- and even had t-shirts made with an SHF logo, according to contemporaneous press accounts.

None of which sounds so scary, until you consider the group's stockpile of
unregistered submachine guns, over 500 pounds of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, an "adapter for a grenade launcher," a riot smoke grenade, dynamite, detonation cord, gas masks, body armor, a machine gun, 550-yard range rockets, and how-to manuals for grenade launchers and propellants.

All of that was seized by the Feds, noted in inventory lists submitted in court, and reported by the press at the time. And keep in mind, the case was unfolding soon after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, which killed 168 people.

The federal probe into the Vipers started when a deer hunter reported an encounter with a group of camouflage-clad, heavily-armed men in Tonto National Forest north of Phoenix.

An informant infiltrated and secretly taped the Vipers, who were committed to resisting the "New World Order." He participated in a session in which militia members detonated explosives and used illegal automatic weapons in the desert outside Phoenix. The group members took an oath to "enter into mortal combat against enemies of the U.S. Constitution."

The Vipers were arrested in July 1996.

They were initially charged with plotting to blow up government buildings around Phoenix. But the charges were reduced to various firearms and explosive charges. At the same time the charges were reduced, the AP noted in October 1996, "A videotape showing militia members touring federal buildings in Phoenix and allegedly explaining how to destroy them already has been withdrawn by prosecutors after defense lawyers noted that it was made in 1994, before most of the Vipers even knew one another."

Ultimately, 11 of the Vipers were sentenced to prison terms ranging from one to six years.

Like today's gun-wielding anti-Obama protesters, the Vipers feared government encroachment by a Democratic president The father of a one militia member recalled him saying, "You should be happy you won't be around in 30 years. The way we're going, we've got to stop it. I hope we'll change presidents and stop the One World Order."

Sometimes the militia members' paranoia degenerated into anti-Semitism. One Viper Militiaman "would talk about conspiracy theories behind gun control laws, and how the world was being run financially by this secret conspiracy composed of Jews," recalled a former teacher of his from a Phoenix weapons academy.

Libertarian Reason magazine published a lengthy piece in late 1996 arguing the charges against the Vipers were overblown.

"These guys were more likely to show up late for a shooting match than to blow up buildings," the chair of the Arizona Libertarian Party told the Philadelphia Inquirer in 1996. "It's a Keystone Kops kind of thing."

Anti-Obama activist Ernest Hancock, who helped run a Web site, the Viper Reserves, dedicated to defending the Viper Militia and getting their story out (see a cached version here) was quoted in the same story. He told the Inquirer: "These people were really, really, really ready to go up against the federal government," he said. "Were they actually going to do it? No."

Feel better?

Heavily-Armed '90s Militia, Linked To Anti-Obama Activist, Resisted 'New World Order' | TPMMuckraker

**standin** · 08-19-2009, 11:13 PM

Waco was a terrible tragedy. So was Ruby Ridge.
Exploitations of systematic events. One of the lowest common denominators.
But to think that only government can have conspiracies is silly.

**standin** · 08-19-2009, 11:24 PM

When I hear "New World Order", it reminds me of the Jehovah Wittinesses

**sadaist** · 08-20-2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickdfresh

If he were in your neighborhood with an AR-15 "assault rifle" (not technically, but looks identical to the M-16A1/A2 from a distance to the untrained eye), you'd be the first to call the cops on a 'gang-banger.'

I would call the police immediately if I saw any person in my neighborhood with an assault rifle. It is illegal in CA.

**sadaist** · 08-20-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jhale667

Let's see....did he have a "Kill Whitey" shirt on? Don't even try it.

So you can only tell a racist if they wear a shirt proclaiming it? Were the other racists (according to you) wearing "Kill N-words" shirts?

**sadaist** · 08-20-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kwame k

A) The racist slant that Sadist is going for.

Like when I posted that the man with the gun was an "Uncle Tom"? (FORD)

Or maybe when I claimed he was the only one of the gun carriers that wasn't a racist? (JHale667)

Get your facts straight there. I did not bring the racism into this thread. I merely pointed it out.

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Originally Posted by FORD

One Uncle Tom with an AR-15

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Originally Posted by jhale667

OK, so - ONE of the what, 12(?) gun-toting idiots was merely a douchebag, as opposed to a racist douchebag like the rest.

**jhale667** · 08-20-2009, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sadaist

So you can only tell a racist if they wear a shirt proclaiming it? Were the other racists (according to you) wearing "Kill N-words" shirts?

You're an idiot. No, usually they're blabbing about it too, or defending pukes like them...you know, your shtick.

But you don't get it (much like a neutered dog).

Gonna go with FORD on this one...had the black dude been a racist - his target would have been the crowd. But turns out he's just a dick.

The others on the other hand...not the case, nor would not be overt in the first place. What you don't get, is this is about the implied threat more then actually acting on it (at this point). Watch some footage of 60s civil rights marches. The ones before they set the dogs and water hoses on the crowds.

The implied message being "keep in line or else". You guys aren't really that thick, c'mon. What the fuck else do you think when you see guys not only with signs of the president done up as Hitler, but with guns???

It's disturbing and sickening to see. You know, unless you're into that kind of shit.

**Blackflag** · 08-20-2009, 02:08 AM

Dude, do you need a rag to wipe your pussy with? It was a guy on the street with a rifle. Get over it.

**Jesus Christ** · 08-20-2009, 02:20 AM

What thy right wing Pharisees are doing at these gatherings reminds Me a lot of what the right wing Pharisees did the day I stood before the crowd on Pontius Pilate's balcony, and he told them to choose between Me and Barrabas. And verily the Pharisees moved among the crowd, inciting them to yell "Give us Barrabas". And lo, many of the crowd did, though they really did not know why. Such is the nature of mob mentality among mortals. I told Dad we needed to take that "feature" out of thy brain design.

End result of this, ye may remember, was not good for My health. And verily today's Pharisees want to make sure it is not good for yours.

**sadaist** · 08-20-2009, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jhale667

You're an idiot. No, usually they're blabbing about it too, or defending pukes like them...you know, your shtick.

But you don't get it (much like a neutered dog).

Gonna go with FORD on this one...had the black dude been a racist - his target would have been the crowd. But turns out he's just a dick.

The others on the other hand...not the case, nor would not be overt in the first place. What you don't get, is this is about the implied threat more then actually acting on it (at this point). Watch some footage of 60s civil rights marches. The ones before they set the dogs and water hoses on the crowds.

The implied message being "keep in line or else". You guys aren't really that thick, c'mon. What the fuck else do you think when you see guys not only with signs of the president done up as Hitler, but with guns???

It's disturbing and sickening to see. You know, unless you're into that kind of shit.

That's deep man.

But answer the question. How do you know this man is not racist? You stated it. All you saw was a 30 second clip of him on television and his words were unintelligible. Come one...come on. Just say it. Nah, you don't have to. I already know. Was just seeing if you had the brass to actually admit it.

**jhale667** · 08-20-2009, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sadaist

That's deep man.

But answer the question.

Already did. Not sure what else you're hoping I'm gonna say.

What was his agenda, was he trying to intimidate the crowd? Anything to support that? Nope. His affiliations (and the fact that he was a plant) have already been outlined, and gee, looks like he hangs out with a (obviously racially-tolerant) Anti-Government Militia...probably in the 21 JumpStreet division....who knew?

And how the fuck do you know how much I saw? Were you channel-flipping with me, jackass?

**hideyoursheep** · 08-20-2009, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackflag

Dude, do you need a rag to wipe your pussy with? It was a guy on the street with a rifle. Get over it.

Was he going to the bank?

**Big Train** · 08-20-2009, 01:33 PM

I think what is getting lost here (and the reason I chose to post this), is that you have a major news network presenting the news one way (showing the man and his ethnic makeup...whether he is a "plant" or not, which is the standard lame defense around here) and another network not showing the man at all and yet saying that the man's presence could have "possible racist overtones".

I'm still waiting for someone to defend that on a logical basis.

**ZahZoo** · 08-20-2009, 01:56 PM

I thought it was a nice touch planting the black man with the assault rifle in the crowd...

The thing that made me suspect a plant was the way he was dressed in slacks, a white dress shirt and tie. It just didn't fit right... Although probably a good choice to project less than a threatening image given the event and security levels.

I'm still don't like the idea of people packing heat at political protests even though it was perfectly legal in this case... 2nd ammendment is one thing, stupid is another.

That's like taking Lounge Machine & Ford to a Mentapausal Sensitivity Training Seminar... perfectly legal just not a very wise choice...

**Big Train** · 08-20-2009, 02:20 PM

This "plant" business is a side note at best.

But on that note, who and where is this "Plant" from and what does it accomplish?

Standard, "Faux News" types would think only one way, that Republicans put him there to stir up the pot.

But there is a flip side to consider. Having a "Crazed gun man" there increases support by those very same "Faux News" believers, that the racist rednecks we are smarter than are here. So let's vote on this horribly thought out and executed health care reform since these dumb rednecks are here to disrupt and question our leader, who has it all figured out, which is why they are mad.

**ELVIS** · 08-20-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hideyoursheep

Was he going to the bank?

Please remove that signature quote, because I don't, and have never meant it in the way you're quoting it...

**Nickdfresh** · 08-20-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackflag

Dude, do you need a rag to wipe your pussy with? It was a guy on the street with a rifle. Get over it.

Yeah. A military one originally, specifically, and ergonomically designed to kill people by soldiers who had little training...

**Nickdfresh** · 08-20-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sadaist

I would call the police immediately if I saw any person in my neighborhood with an assault rifle. It is illegal in CA.

Sadie, why do you hate the Constitution? Next thing you know, you'll be kicking in people's doors at midnight!

**sadaist** · 08-20-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nickdfresh

Sadie, why do you hate the Constitution? Next thing you know, you'll be kicking in people's doors at midnight!

Following the law = Constitution hating how?

I own four firearms myself. You can see them in a thread I started some time ago. While I may not agree with some of the laws surrounding them, I do abide by them.

Sometimes it's difficult since I now drive a pickup. I used to be able to drive to the range with the my own ammo in the trunk of my car. But now with no trunk I can't take my own ammunition and have to purchase from the range. I also have to trigger lock and case lock each gun for the ride. Don't mind having them locked up, but the ammo from the range is typically a ripoff. (Ammunition must be kept separated from the weapons. Not within same compartment)

GUNS - firearms - weaponry

**Satan** · 08-20-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sadaist

Following the law = Constitution hating how?

I own four firearms myself. You can see them in a thread I started some time ago. While I may not agree with some of the laws surrounding them, I do abide by them.

Sometimes it's difficult since I now drive a pickup. I used to be able to drive to the range with the my own ammo in the trunk of my car. But now with no trunk I can't take my own ammunition and have to purchase from the range. I also have to trigger lock and case lock each gun for the ride. Don't mind having them locked up, but the ammo from the range is typically a ripoff. (Ammunition must be kept separated from the weapons. Not within same compartment)

GUNS - firearms - weaponry

Ever consider buying something like this?

truck tool box by Delta

**sadaist** · 08-20-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Satan

Ever consider buying something like this?

truck tool box by Delta

Totally. But with the work I currently do, a toolbox won't fit back there. Dang, they got some nice ones too. Better than the ones I've seen at Auto Zone.

**ULTRAMAN VH** · 08-21-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Train

I think what is getting lost here (and the reason I chose to post this), is that you have a major news network presenting the news one way (showing the man and his ethnic makeup...whether he is a "plant" or not, which is the standard lame defense around here) and another network not showing the man at all and yet saying that the man's presence could have "possible racist overtones".

I'm still waiting for someone to defend that on a logical basis.

Um yeah, basically Contessa Brewer and MSNBC fretted over healthcare reform protesters legally carrying guns.
: 'A man at a pro-health care reform rally... wore a semiautomatic assault rifle on his shoulder and a pistol on his hip....there are questions about whether this has racial overtones....white people showing up with guns.'

Brewer, conveniently failed to mention this man was black.

**jhale667** · 08-21-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ULTRAMAN VH

Um yeah, basically Contessa Brewer and MSNBC fretted over healthcare reform protesters legally carrying guns.
: 'A man at a pro-health care reform rally... wore a semiautomatic assault rifle on his shoulder and a pistol on his hip....there are questions about whether this has racial overtones....white people showing up with guns.'

Brewer, conveniently failed to mention this man was black.

One of the dozen or so was.

Again, what does a gun have to do with your HMO or PPO?

Y'know, unless you show up at the hospital because you got SHOT??

**Blackflag** · 08-21-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jhale667

Again, what does a gun have to do with your HMO or PPO?

For that matter, what does a gun have to do with being racist?

**jhale667** · 08-21-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackflag

For that matter, what does a gun have to do with being racist?

For starters, they need them to protect themselves us the upcoming "race-war", remember?

**Blackflag** · 08-21-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jhale667

For starters, they need them to protect themselves us the upcoming "race-war", remember?

Who is "they?"

Admit the news report was fucked up.

**jhale667** · 08-21-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackflag

Admit the news report was fucked up.

In that the plant guy should have been fully shown? No doubt. Stupid on MSNBC's part, actually - because (especially once you know where he came from) it didn't lessen the disgust factor at all...towards him or the others there. Anyone there with a gun that wasn't a cop or a secret service agent is a fucking douche, regardless of their color. And you know that.

But don't try to tell me the white guys showing up with guns and "vote from the rooftops" and "water the tree of liberty" T-shirts aren't at least primarily racist asshats on a fear and itimidation campaign (at the very least). No, they're Obama fans....sure.....

Showing the solitary armed black dude there wouldn't have and didn't lessen the chance the rest of those jackasses weren't merely 2nd amendment enthusiasts either (fucking please....) in the slightest.

**FORD** · 08-21-2009, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhale667

For starters, they need them to protect themselves us the upcoming "race-war", remember?

**Big Train** · 08-21-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jhale667

In that the plant guy should have been fully shown? No doubt. Stupid on MSNBC's part, actually - because (especially once you know where he came from) it didn't lessen the disgust factor at all...towards him or the others there. [/U].

So your perception of it was that they made a STUPID but not INTENTIONAL choice?

**jhale667** · 08-21-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Train

So your perception of it was that they made a STUPID but not INTENTIONAL choice?

No, more like it was intentional and stupid. Pay attention.

**Big Train** · 08-21-2009, 07:40 PM

I don't pay attention to bullshit...but just wanted to confirm. When you don't use the word intentional, which means something different than stupid, one has to ask you to clear it up.

Thanks.

**jhale667** · 08-21-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Train

I don't pay attention to bullshit...

He said, while answering the very post he's trying to imply is bullshit...

Quote:

but just wanted to confirm. When you don't use the word intentional, which means something different than stupid, one has to ask you to clear it up.

Thanks.

How much more clear did I need to be? Did anyone besides you think I somehow implied they "accidentally" didn't show the guy?

I mean, c'mon.

I said it was stupid on their part...it was. That's the kind of crap you'd expect from Fox, but thought a little better of MSNBC. As I said, not like they even "needed" to do it...

**Big Train** · 08-21-2009, 08:19 PM

Asking for clarity that's all.

Hoping you can do that someday without ruining your Huggies every single time.

**ULTRAMAN VH** · 08-21-2009, 10:05 PM

Plant???? If anyone planted anything, it was the news media planting this stupid ass story. I would guarantee these so called armed white racist's led by the mysterious Lone Black Man were no where near the President. The Secret Service would have taken down these individuals faster than a jack rabbit on a date. The news media, especially the Leftys will do anything they can to label citizens who have had enough of the Government interfering in their lives, as angry out of control gun toting maniacs. MSNBC even went so far as to edit the footage of the armed black man distorting him to the point where you could not determine his race. U.S. Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan was asked if anyone openly carrying a weapon outside the event was a threat to the president's safety and he responded "Of course not".

**Blackflag** · 08-22-2009, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhale667

But don't try to tell me the white guys showing up with guns and "vote from the rooftops" and "water the tree of liberty" T-shirts aren't at least primarily racist asshats on a fear and itimidation campaign (at the very least). No, they're Obama fans....sure.....

But a black guy who does exactly the same things is not racist? And a white guy who wears a "water the tree of liberty shirt" is automatically a racist? Do you not understand the difference between homicidal and racist? Do you think they're the same thing? Is that the problem?

You should just hang it up, you make about as much sense as Ford. He sees BCE everywhere and you rant about racism everywhere. I'm sorry, but get a fucking clue. Seriously.

I know you love to say you currently live in L.A., but you were obviously born in the sticks. You don't have a clue what racism is, and you think like a hayseed.

**jhale667** · 08-22-2009, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackflag

I know you love to say you currently live in L.A., but you were obviously born in the sticks. You don't have a clue what racism is, and you think like a hayseed.

Nope, just used to dealing with hayseed fucks like you, Dr. Fail.

**Blackflag** · 08-23-2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jhale667

Nope, just used to dealing with hayseed fucks like you, Dr. Fail.

(i.e. you don't dispute you were born in the sticks.)

08-20-2009, 01:56 PM	#57 (permalink)
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08-19-2009, 11:08 PM	#41 (permalink)
jhale667 "That's cool, Asshole!" ROTH ARMY MODERATOR Join Date: Aug 2004 Member Number: 7379 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 7,242 Thanks: 1,431 Thanked 750 Times in 556 Posts Groans: 674 Groaned at 87 Times in 83 Posts Images: 5 Rep Power: 20 Last Online: Today 02:50 PM	Yeah FYI Buckfag, the group that placed this guy are the same people claiming Waco was and the OK City bombing were "manufactured events" ...anti-government freakbags (ironically, no mention of 9/11)...

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jhale667 "That's cool, Asshole!" ROTH ARMY MODERATOR Join Date: Aug 2004 Member Number: 7379 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 7,242 Thanks: 1,431 Thanked 750 Times in 556 Posts Groans: 674 Groaned at 87 Times in 83 Posts Images: 5 Rep Power: 20 Last Online: Today 02:50 PM	Heavily-Armed '90s Militia, Linked To Anti-Obama Activist, Resisted 'New World Order' By Justin Elliott Let's delve a little bit deeper into the black helicopter-infested world of the Viper Militia -- the 90's era group whose members ended up in federal prison and whose most prominent friend and defender, Ernest Hancock, staged the show of arms-bearing at an Obama event Monday. A portrait of a feckless group of paranoid, right-wing, minimum wage-earning weapons enthusiasts -- 10 men and two women -- emerges from press accounts at the time. Take Dean Pleasant, the Viper member whom Hancock called his good friend in an interview with TPMmuckraker yesterday. Pleasant couldn't hold onto jobs at Kathy's Donut Farm (too "lackadaisical," even though he always brought his Glock to work) or a part-time gig at military supply store Allied Surplus (where he was caught stealing "inexpensive items"). Others made a living with maintenance work and used furniture sales. They had formed a clique of like-minded gun enthusiasts with the name SHF -- Suicidal Hippie Fucks -- and even had t-shirts made with an SHF logo, according to contemporaneous press accounts. None of which sounds so scary, until you consider the group's stockpile of unregistered submachine guns, over 500 pounds of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, an "adapter for a grenade launcher," a riot smoke grenade, dynamite, detonation cord, gas masks, body armor, a machine gun, 550-yard range rockets, and how-to manuals for grenade launchers and propellants. All of that was seized by the Feds, noted in inventory lists submitted in court, and reported by the press at the time. And keep in mind, the case was unfolding soon after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, which killed 168 people. The federal probe into the Vipers started when a deer hunter reported an encounter with a group of camouflage-clad, heavily-armed men in Tonto National Forest north of Phoenix. An informant infiltrated and secretly taped the Vipers, who were committed to resisting the "New World Order." He participated in a session in which militia members detonated explosives and used illegal automatic weapons in the desert outside Phoenix. The group members took an oath to "enter into mortal combat against enemies of the U.S. Constitution." The Vipers were arrested in July 1996. They were initially charged with plotting to blow up government buildings around Phoenix. But the charges were reduced to various firearms and explosive charges. At the same time the charges were reduced, the AP noted in October 1996, "A videotape showing militia members touring federal buildings in Phoenix and allegedly explaining how to destroy them already has been withdrawn by prosecutors after defense lawyers noted that it was made in 1994, before most of the Vipers even knew one another." Ultimately, 11 of the Vipers were sentenced to prison terms ranging from one to six years. Like today's gun-wielding anti-Obama protesters, the Vipers feared government encroachment by a Democratic president The father of a one militia member recalled him saying, "You should be happy you won't be around in 30 years. The way we're going, we've got to stop it. I hope we'll change presidents and stop the One World Order." Sometimes the militia members' paranoia degenerated into anti-Semitism. One Viper Militiaman "would talk about conspiracy theories behind gun control laws, and how the world was being run financially by this secret conspiracy composed of Jews," recalled a former teacher of his from a Phoenix weapons academy. Libertarian Reason magazine published a lengthy piece in late 1996 arguing the charges against the Vipers were overblown. "These guys were more likely to show up late for a shooting match than to blow up buildings," the chair of the Arizona Libertarian Party told the Philadelphia Inquirer in 1996. "It's a Keystone Kops kind of thing." Anti-Obama activist Ernest Hancock, who helped run a Web site, the Viper Reserves, dedicated to defending the Viper Militia and getting their story out (see a cached version here) was quoted in the same story. He told the Inquirer: "These people were really, really, really ready to go up against the federal government," he said. "Were they actually going to do it? No." Feel better? Heavily-Armed '90s Militia, Linked To Anti-Obama Activist, Resisted 'New World Order' \| TPMMuckraker

08-20-2009, 02:08 AM	#51 (permalink)
Blackflag It's B.S...He made it up. Veteran Join Date: Apr 2006 Member Number: 19824 Location: Yakima Posts: 2,470 Thanks: 290 Thanked 209 Times in 185 Posts Groans: 93 Groaned at 241 Times in 174 Posts Rep Power: 7 Last Online: Today 02:29 PM	Dude, do you need a rag to wipe your pussy with? It was a guy on the street with a rifle. Get over it.

08-20-2009, 02:20 AM	#52 (permalink)
Jesus Christ Messiah Veteran Join Date: Jan 2004 Member Number: 34 Location: Heaven Posts: 1,518 Thanks: 20 Thanked 36 Times in 32 Posts Groans: 32 Groaned at 14 Times in 13 Posts Rep Power: 8 Last Online: 02-23-2010 04:23 PM	What thy right wing Pharisees are doing at these gatherings reminds Me a lot of what the right wing Pharisees did the day I stood before the crowd on Pontius Pilate's balcony, and he told them to choose between Me and Barrabas. And verily the Pharisees moved among the crowd, inciting them to yell "Give us Barrabas". And lo, many of the crowd did, though they really did not know why. Such is the nature of mob mentality among mortals. I told Dad we needed to take that "feature" out of thy brain design. End result of this, ye may remember, was not good for My health. And verily today's Pharisees want to make sure it is not good for yours.

08-20-2009, 01:33 PM	#56 (permalink)
Big Train Full Member Status Join Date: Apr 2004 Member Number: 3741 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,011 Thanks: 63 Thanked 92 Times in 76 Posts Groans: 28 Groaned at 53 Times in 43 Posts Rep Power: 10 Last Online: 11-24-2009 10:21 PM	I think what is getting lost here (and the reason I chose to post this), is that you have a major news network presenting the news one way (showing the man and his ethnic makeup...whether he is a "plant" or not, which is the standard lame defense around here) and another network not showing the man at all and yet saying that the man's presence could have "possible racist overtones". I'm still waiting for someone to defend that on a logical basis.

08-20-2009, 02:20 PM	#58 (permalink)
Big Train Full Member Status Join Date: Apr 2004 Member Number: 3741 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,011 Thanks: 63 Thanked 92 Times in 76 Posts Groans: 28 Groaned at 53 Times in 43 Posts Rep Power: 10 Last Online: 11-24-2009 10:21 PM	This "plant" business is a side note at best. But on that note, who and where is this "Plant" from and what does it accomplish? Standard, "Faux News" types would think only one way, that Republicans put him there to stir up the pot. But there is a flip side to consider. Having a "Crazed gun man" there increases support by those very same "Faux News" believers, that the racist rednecks we are smarter than are here. So let's vote on this horribly thought out and executed health care reform since these dumb rednecks are here to disrupt and question our leader, who has it all figured out, which is why they are mad.

08-21-2009, 07:40 PM	#74 (permalink)
Big Train Full Member Status Join Date: Apr 2004 Member Number: 3741 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,011 Thanks: 63 Thanked 92 Times in 76 Posts Groans: 28 Groaned at 53 Times in 43 Posts Rep Power: 10 Last Online: 11-24-2009 10:21 PM	I don't pay attention to bullshit...but just wanted to confirm. When you don't use the word intentional, which means something different than stupid, one has to ask you to clear it up. Thanks.

08-21-2009, 08:19 PM	#76 (permalink)
Big Train Full Member Status Join Date: Apr 2004 Member Number: 3741 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,011 Thanks: 63 Thanked 92 Times in 76 Posts Groans: 28 Groaned at 53 Times in 43 Posts Rep Power: 10 Last Online: 11-24-2009 10:21 PM	Asking for clarity that's all. Hoping you can do that someday without ruining your Huggies every single time.

08-21-2009, 10:05 PM	#77 (permalink)
ULTRAMAN VH Commando Join Date: May 2004 Member Number: 4914 Location: MARYLAND Age: 42 Posts: 1,396 Thanks: 53 Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts Groans: 11 Groaned at 37 Times in 28 Posts Rep Power: 0 Last Online: 03-14-2010 03:57 PM	Plant???? If anyone planted anything, it was the news media planting this stupid ass story. I would guarantee these so called armed white racist's led by the mysterious Lone Black Man were no where near the President. The Secret Service would have taken down these individuals faster than a jack rabbit on a date. The news media, especially the Leftys will do anything they can to label citizens who have had enough of the Government interfering in their lives, as angry out of control gun toting maniacs. MSNBC even went so far as to edit the footage of the armed black man distorting him to the point where you could not determine his race. U.S. Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan was asked if anyone openly carrying a weapon outside the event was a threat to the president's safety and he responded "Of course not".

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