Birth control could help combat climate change

[ELVIS]

Seven days and eight years post 911

"There is now an emerging debate and interest about the links between population dynamics, sexual and reproductive health and rights, and climate change," the commentary says.

In countries with access to condoms and other contraceptives, average family sizes tend to fall significantly within a generation. Until recently, many U.S.-funded health programs did not pay for or encourage condom use in poor countries, even to fight diseases such as AIDS.

The world's population is projected to jump to 9 billion by 2050, with more than 90 percent of that growth coming from developing countries.

It's not the first time lifestyle issues have been tied to the battle against global warming. Climate change experts have previously recommended that people cut their meat intake to slow global warming by reducing the numbers of animals using the world's resources.

The Lancet editorial cited a British report which says family planning is five times cheaper than usual technologies used to fight climate change. According to the report, each $7 spent on basic family planning would slash global carbon dioxide emissions by more than 1 ton.

Experts believe that while normal population growth is unlikely to significantly increase global warming that overpopulation in developing countries could lead to increased demand for food and shelter, which could jeopardize the environment as it struggles with global warming.

[Kristy]

1.

"If those women had access to free condoms or other birth control methods, that could slow rates of population growth, possibly easing the pressure on the environment, the editors say."

Fuck you, you bunch of sexist racist hippies

and...

2.

"There is now an emerging debate and interest about the links between population dynamics, sexual and reproductive health and rights, and climate change," the commentary says."

Oh, so it's the woman responsible for climate change according to this unfounded, researched stupid-as-shit sexist story, is it!?! In that case, why have condoms when you can depopulate a certain gender in its place? And as for this "emerging debate" who, exactly, are these emerging debaters? Horny males with small penises who want to drive their Hummers on private land? Hey, I have an idea - instead of condoms we just castrate 60% of the male population from birth? Why I'm sure the same of idiots who wrote this shit must also believe the testosterone is responsible for so much of the aggression in the world, right? And how is cutting down on meat intake supposed to help the planet when it takes just about as much carbon emissions to pull corn from the ground or vegetables from the vine?

Also

3. According to the report, each $7 spent on basic family planning would slash global carbon dioxide emissions by more than 1 ton.

People in developing counties populate because they suffer form a lack of proper education, dietary heath and environmental safety. Many don't have 1/1000th of penny to their name much less $7 to plan anything for the future. They fuck out of boredom as well as survival. Hardly a "lifestyle issue" when one considers the population growth in the poorest of the poor places on earth expounds out of necessity and not personal luxury. A true "lifestyle issue" is buying a lawnmower, a 2-stroke jet ski, outside bar-b-que with friends or burning wood to keep your sorry ass warm on cold winter nights which does have some founded scientific basis in climate change than a inefficient supply of condoms. As for condoms reducing the spread of AIDS (oh, and let's face it, this story is also cloaked in racism) in places such as Africa or the lower 1/3 of Asia is also a myth when you factor in the unsanitary conditions of these places; many recycle if you get my drift even to the point of using their own feces as fertilizer to grow food they can barely eat. Just how many of the estimated 9 billion will live past the age of 10?

Whenever I read shit like this draped in a veneer of lame unfounded scientific methods and sexist innuendoes it all comes down the haves and have nots with the haves feeling threatened by the latter.

[ELVIS]

You're mostly correct, except the innuendos are eugenicist in nature, not sexist...

[Seshmeister]

Surely it's not eugenics to reduce the birth rate in 3rd world countries to the same as ours asap.

It's obvious that if humans are increasing climate change then more humans will increase climate change more. Current projections are that India is going to overtake China in population in our lifetime.

Population seems to be stable or falling in richer countries but it seems to be a danger that if things keep going the way they are then then the 3rd world countries may never get to that point.

The catholic and various evangelical US churches have to take a lot of blame in this in Africa.

That said there are pricks here on the fringes who want to try and ban people having more than 1 kid even when we have a falling population with 1.4 kids or whatever for every couple and these people need to fuck off.

[ELVIS]

But would there not still be climate change even if humans never existed ??

[bueno bob]

Originally Posted by ELVIS

But would there not still be climate change even if humans never existed ??

Certainly not on the level we have now.

Of course, humans DO exist and global warming IS happening, so that's kind of a ridiculous question to ask. I could similarly ask "What if Krypton was actually real?", but it's not going to give us Superman.

[Nitro Express]

Global warming is a natural cycle and this has been proven by drilling ice samples out of the huge Antartic ice pack that has existed for several hundred thousand years. By carbon dating the particles in the ice layers an interesting pattern emerges. The earth has had an ice age every 100,000 years and then warms up for the last 20,000 years of the cycle. We peak out before we slide back into another ice age for 80,000 years. The earth will still be here but most of us won't.

[Nitro Express]

Most of the world's environmental and eugenics none sense comes from the Rothchilds clan. Their head spokesman on the matter is David Rothchild while his daddy buys up crashed assets like Leman Brothers cheap. So yeah, it's the haves using fear to have more.

[Nitro Express]

Africa is a victim of the International Monetary Fund and The World Bank. Both are ran behind the scenes by the Rothchilds who have been in banking for over 200 years. They want the raw resources and the agriculture but they also want vast parts of it as wildlife refuges so they can go and enjoy it. As far as the native black people, they want to kill them off. Maybe keep a few to use as slaves to run the agriculture and work in the mines. Maybe have some tribes left for interests. As one of the Rothchilds said,"Men are machines and women are toys." They view us as cattle.

[GO-SPURS-GO]

Originally Posted by Nitro Express

As one of the Rothchilds said,"Men are machines and women are toys."

Sounds about right to me! j/k

[standin]

GsG,
Your avatar, what is the name of the painting and the artist who created it ?
I like it a lot, just wondering...

[ELVIS]

Originally Posted by bueno bob

Certainly not on the level we have now.

Prove it...

[bueno bob]

Originally Posted by ELVIS

Prove it...

Without humans, we'd have neither of these on the planet. I don't need to "prove" that...it's pretty obvious that the following two pictures would NOT exist here without us.





Motor vehicles are responsible for almost a quarter of annual US emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2), the primary global-warming gas. The US transportation sector emits more CO2 than all but three other countries' emissions from all sources combined. And motor vehicle emissions will continue to increase as more vehicles hit America's roads and the number of miles driven grows.

Three factors contribute to CO2 emissions from cars and trucks:

* Amount of fuel used
* Amount of CO2 released when a particular fuel is consumed
* Number of vehicle miles traveled

Combating global warming requires reducing all of these factors. This necessitates increased fuel efficiency, switching to renewable fuels, and less driving.

NRDC: Global Warming Basics

Carbon dioxide and other air pollution that is collecting in the atmosphere like a thickening blanket, trapping the sun's heat and causing the planet to warm up. Coal-burning power plants are the largest U.S. source of carbon dioxide pollution -- they produce 2.5 billion tons every year. Automobiles, the second largest source, create nearly 1.5 billion tons of CO2 annually.

Global Warming - U.S. Autos Account for Half of Global Warming Linked to Cars Worldwide

U.S. automobiles and light trucks are responsible for nearly half of all greenhouse gases emitted by automobiles globally, according to a new study by Environmental Defense.

The study, Global Warming on the Road [PDF], also found that the Big Three automakers—General Motors, Ford and DaimlerChrysler—accounted for nearly three-quarters of the carbon dioxide released by cars and pickup trucks on U.S. roads in 2004, the latest year for which statistics were available.

“Cutting greenhouse gas emissions from U.S. automobiles will be critical to any strategy for slowing global warming,” said John DeCicco, author of the report and senior fellow at Environmental Defense, in a press release. “To address global warming, we’ll need a clear picture of what sources are contributing to the problem. This report details, by automaker and vehicle type, the greenhouse gas contributions from America's auto sector, for the first time.”

***

There. Proof that global warming wouldn't exist on the (unnatural) level that we have now without human interference.

No humans = no coal burning = no auto emissions = LESS warming.

Very simple. Amazing that America is virtually the ONLY civilized country left on this planet that still has people arguing about that.

[Blackflag]

But the article isn't talking about the U.S. - it's talking about "developing countries." People are always trying to control populations in those damn "developing countries."

[Terry]

Originally Posted by Blackflag

But the article isn't talking about the U.S. - it's talking about "developing countries." People are always trying to control populations in those damn "developing countries."

while simultaneously exploiting them.

What's gonna happen when all these developing countries become industrialized and embrace democracy?

Outlook not so good for America.

Ah, well. World is gonna end in 3 years anyway.

[GO-SPURS-GO]

Originally Posted by standin

GsG,
Your avatar, what is the name of the painting and the artist who created it ?
I like it a lot, just wondering...

I googled "Good vs. Evil" (the name of our upcoming CD) to look for a cool CD cover and I found this image. It was on a myspace page. I sent him a message asking for permission to use it as our CD cover, but he never responded. So I'm guessing it's not his work. Here's the code if you want to have it, just reply to this comment and use it.

[Seshmeister]

You could check 5 results - TinEye

[standin]

Thanks GsG! I'll look it up...

Wow! Sesh! That tineye is absolutely a great link!

[GO-SPURS-GO]

Originally Posted by Seshmeister

You could check 5 results - TinEye

Man, that photobucket one looks cool, and you can blow it up and it doesn't lose it's quality. The one I have is only a 1 inch by 1 inch, so when you blow it up to CD size, it looks horrible.

[ELVIS]

Yo Bob, hate to break it to ya, but carbon dioxide is not a pollutant!

[Seshmeister]

Mr E you keep posting that but it's either semantics or just plain incorrect depending on the definition of the word you choose.

from Homepage | Dictionary.com

pollutant

pol⋅lu⋅tant
  /pəˈlutnt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [puh-loot-nt] Show IPA
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–noun
1. something that pollutes.
2. any substance, as certain chemicals or waste products, that renders the air, soil, water, or other natural resource harmful or unsuitable for a specific purpose.

It's maybe not a perfect way to describe it but an increase in CO2 renders our atmosphere harmful so can be described as a pollutant.

[ELVIS]

Explain how it renders the atmosphere harmful, please...

[bueno bob]

Originally Posted by ELVIS

Explain how it renders the atmosphere harmful, please...

Did you not read what I posted?

"Motor vehicles are responsible for almost a quarter of annual US emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2), the primary global-warming gas."

and as Sesh followed up:

"2. any substance, as certain chemicals or waste products, that renders the air, soil, water, or other natural resource harmful or unsuitable for a specific purpose."

Carbon dioxide and other air pollution that is collecting in the atmosphere like a thickening blanket, trapping the sun's heat and causing the planet to warm up. Coal-burning power plants are the largest U.S. source of carbon dioxide pollution -- they produce 2.5 billion tons every year. Automobiles, the second largest source, create nearly 1.5 billion tons of CO2 annually.

Can't make it any simpler than that.

[ELVIS]

I cannot believe you're falling for such an outright LIE!

[sadaist]

Originally Posted by bueno bob

global warming IS happening

[binnie]

Originally Posted by Seshmeister

Surely it's not eugenics to reduce the birth rate in 3rd world countries to the same as ours asap.

It's obvious that if humans are increasing climate change then more humans will increase climate change more. Current projections are that India is going to overtake China in population in our lifetime.

Population seems to be stable or falling in richer countries but it seems to be a danger that if things keep going the way they are then then the 3rd world countries may never get to that point.

The catholic and various evangelical US churches have to take a lot of blame in this in Africa.

That said there are pricks here on the fringes who want to try and ban people having more than 1 kid even when we have a falling population with 1.4 kids or whatever for every couple and these people need to fuck off.

Ding-ding, we have a winner.

That being said, the tone of the article was somewhat sexist. The idea that it is somehow the women of the third world who need to learn about condoms is laughable......

[standin]

Originally Posted by ELVIS

Yo Bob, hate to break it to ya, but carbon dioxide is not a pollutant!

Even oxygen can be a pollutant to humans.
Oxygen toxicity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oxygen therapy - infants: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

[ELVIS]

Global Warming Lies

Every Climatologist will tell you the Earth's temperature has been much hotter and colder than it is now.

There was an Ice Age and it warmed up, there was a Mini Ice Age just 500 years ago and it has been warming up ever since. The Industrial Revolution was not around during those periods.

NASA reports because of Solar Flares the Sun is the hottest it has been in over 100 years. There are no cars on the sun.

Global warming is causing ice to melt on Mars. There are no cars on Mars.

Thousands and thousands of studies and experiments prove that more carbon dioxide produces better fruits, vegetables, trees and almost any sort of plant life.

Most of the temperature increase happened before 1940 (Before most carbon dioxide was released by cars and factories)

The hot year of 1998 was caused by El Nino.

Joining the Kyoto Protocol would cost the U.S. approximately $400 Billion every year and would have virtually no effect on earths temperature.

April 28, 1975 Newsweek printed an article about scientists predicting doom and gloom because of Global Cooling.

Climate models do not take into account water vapor that is 95% of the atmosphere.

The United Nations left out two statements that were supposed to be in the final draft of a paper on Global Warming.

1) “None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to increases in greenhouse gases.”
2) “No study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate change to man–made causes”

There are six billion people on Earth, a colder climate and/or less carbon dioxide would have devastating effects worldwide.

If you don't believe global warming will destroy the earth you will be accused of working for an oil company.



Ways to stop producing carbon dioxide

Stop breathing - When you exhale you release carbon dioxide

Dont drive - We all know how bad driving is

Don't live in a house/apartment/condo or any building that uses gas or electricity - Homes produce 2-3 times as much carbon as cars.

Don't wear shoes or any sort of clothing produced in a factory. Grow a cotton field and make your own clothes by hand.

Quit school - Those school buildings produce more carbon in a year then you do in 20 years.

Eat meat raw - Whether you're using gas or electric both produce carbon dioxide.

Turn off this monitor and computer - You hypocrite.

Don't use toilets, urinate or poo in your back yard.- The water to your house is cleaned and sent to your house using pumps that use electricity.

Stop exercising - Increasing your heart rate increases the amount of oxygen you take in and turn into carbon dioxide.

Die - Dying younger means you will do all of the above less. Living one year less means you will save the earth 8.4 tons of carbon dioxide every year you're not here!

[ZahZoo]

You forgot to mention the sun is in a downward 11 year cycle that produces significantly lower solar flares that started last year. Within that time period we recorded the most significant average drop in temperature globally since records were being kept since the 1800's...

During this time... human produced greenhouse gases were continuing to increase.

The solar cycles and effect on the earth's temperatures isn't crack-pot science. There's a far larger scope of things going on beyond this infestation of humans on this planet...

[ELVIS]

Thank you...

[Seshmeister]

Dumb and dumberer.

If the internet had been developed with the same scientific rigor as you guys bring to climatology this thread would be scribbled on some soggy papyrus.

[ELVIS]

UmmHmmm...

[Mushroom]

In the End Mother Earth will Win

[ELVIS]

No, God and his people will...

[Mushroom]

For all intents and purposes, Mother Earth is your God. When it's all said and done Earth will be the last one standing. In the End Mother Earth will Win.

[ELVIS]

Believe what you want. No WAY is earth my God!

[Mushroom]

it should be simple to figure out Humans cannot not have an effect on Earth's climate. But it's simply asinine to forget or ignore all natural causes that also affect climate. The Earth has been warming for the last 10,000 years.

[ELVIS]

Nooo!!!!!

It's cars and coal!!!

[Mushroom]

you forgot to include airplane contrails

[Nickdfresh]

Look at flatearther and Jeebus discuss "science." How quaint...