SS Guitars - Page 2

**Hardrock69** · 11-21-2009, 03:56 PM

Wow. Even Gar could not get up the balls to post pics of his cardboard Charvel and his imaginary amps.

Kudos to you dude. I did not start playing electric until I was 16.

**ELVIS** · 11-21-2009, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VanHalenFan5150

I'm not that silly, i've known about lemon oil on guitars since I started...

Kool!

Many people are not that smart...remember that...

Like I said, I like to help anyone who is serious about music...

**Hardrock69** · 11-21-2009, 04:05 PM

OK so tell us...what was the defining moment where you suddenly realized playing guitar was something you must do? Just curious.

**ELVIS** · 11-21-2009, 04:08 PM

Why put him on the spot ??

There is nothing you must do, unless you get drafted...

**Hardrock69** · 11-21-2009, 04:20 PM

Not putting him on the spot E.

Many musicians, myself included, can point to one point in their life where they decided playing guitar (or music) is what they truly wanted to do.

In my case, it was seeing ZZ Top in 1976. When I walked out of the venue, I knew I MUST play guitar.

I was not meaning "must" as in "SOMEONE ELSE telling you that you MUST do something".

It was meant more as when YOU tell YOURSELF you must do something.

Understand?

**ELVIS** · 11-21-2009, 04:31 PM

Yeah, I saw Vandenberg open up for Ozzy in 1982 when I was a kid, and that truly got the ball rolling for me...I hadn't seen Van Halen live yet...

Adrian was amazing at the time...

**ELVIS** · 11-21-2009, 04:31 PM

I know, the singer sucked...

**ELVIS** · 11-21-2009, 04:35 PM

**VanHalenFan5150** · 11-21-2009, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardrock69

OK so tell us...what was the defining moment where you suddenly realized playing guitar was something you must do? Just curious.

My sister got an acoustic for christmas a few years back... So I picked it up when she wasn't being an idiot on it and taught myself. I got my first electric last year.

**jhale667** · 11-21-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardrock69

Wow. Even Gar could not get up the balls to post pics of his cardboard Charvel and his imaginary amps.

Kudos to you dude. I did not start playing electric until I was 16.

I started two weeks before my 15th...

My sister brought home the first 3 VH albums, I was hooked.

Yes, kudos to the kid.

He sounds serious about guitar, and is already actively researching what he needs to know to progress....pretty cool.

And he already knows not to act like GARfail. He'll go far.

**VanHalenFan5150** · 11-21-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jhale667

I started two weeks before my 15th...

My sister brought home the first 3 VH albums, I was hooked.

Yes, kudos to the kid.

He sounds serious about guitar, and is already actively researching what he needs to know to progress....pretty cool.

And he already knows not to act like GARfail. He'll go far.

The man who really got me into guitar was Dick Dale... But my idol perspective soon shifted over to Eddie Van Halen.

I am very serious about the guitar, i've been playing for over 2 years self-taught, and i'm a hell of a lot better than most of the people I know (except my teacher). I made sure to take and post pictures of my gear when asked as well. I know what i'm talking about when it comes to guitars, whether it seems like it or not, and if I don't know something I will look it up. I'm constantly improving and I have a live webshow on Stickam sometimes, I play guitar for people who care to watch. If anyone wants to hear me jam sometime, give me a buzz.

**GAR** · 11-22-2009, 02:01 AM

Oh! That's not an "SS" guitar. There was a Kramer sidebranded-company called American Showster.

They came to prominence by making guitars with bodies that resembled fins off a 57 Chevy.

**VanHalenFan5150** · 11-22-2009, 09:45 AM

Yes, I forgot to say that it's A Showster S/S... Sorry. And it's missing the counterweight/Chevy Fender thing.

**GAR** · 11-22-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jhale667

And he already knows not to act like GARfail. He'll go far.

Soon enough we shall convert him to become Dumpmeister Emeritus, and edumacate him in the Ways of the Black Sausage and owning you.

Then he will be unstoppable.

**VanHalenFan5150** · 11-22-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GAR

Soon enough we shall convert him to become Dumpmeister Emeritus, and edumacate him in the Ways of the Black Sausage and owning you.

Then he will be unstoppable.

English please?

**Nitro Express** · 11-22-2009, 07:33 PM

It was the spaceman Ace Frehley that made me want to pick up the electric dick stick.

**VanHalenFan5150** · 11-22-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitro Express

It was the spaceman Ace Frehley that made me want to pick up the electric dick stick.

Audio is way out of sync...

**Nitro Express** · 11-22-2009, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VanHalenFan5150

The man who really got me into guitar was Dick Dale... But my idol perspective soon shifted over to Eddie Van Halen.

I am very serious about the guitar, i've been playing for over 2 years self-taught, and i'm a hell of a lot better than most of the people I know (except my teacher). I made sure to take and post pictures of my gear when asked as well. I know what i'm talking about when it comes to guitars, whether it seems like it or not, and if I don't know something I will look it up. I'm constantly improving and I have a live webshow on Stickam sometimes, I play guitar for people who care to watch. If anyone wants to hear me jam sometime, give me a buzz.

I'm a Dickhead as well.

**VanHalenFan5150** · 11-22-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitro Express

I'm a Dickhead as well.

Wuuuut?

**Hardrock69** · 11-23-2009, 12:27 AM

Uhh...he means he is a Dick Dale fan as well.

And you do not have to apologize to Gar for anything. He will attempt to tell you what you should do with your stuff (hell, he already did, lol), so feel free to tell him to shut up.

**Hardrock69** · 11-23-2009, 12:50 AM

Ace was not the guy who kicked me in the ass suddenly and made me want to play guitar, but the Christmas of 1976 I found a Kiss Easy Guitar book, and was able to learn the entire Kiss Alive album within a year or so. His solos were easy enough for a beginner to learn, but, as a beginner, I still found them challenging. I always could pick up solos easier...it took me awhile to get a lot of chordal things down.

Only time I ever saw Adrian Vandenburg was when he was playing in Whitesnake in the mid-80s.

**VanHalenFan5150** · 11-23-2009, 08:58 AM

Kiss inspired an entire generation of guitar players...

With that said, I still am not big about rowdy old men wearing makeup and playing on big guitars.

**ELVIS** · 11-23-2009, 09:13 AM

Oh man...

They were ebmarrassing on Letterman last month...

**Hardrock69** · 11-23-2009, 09:46 AM

Yeah they were here in Gnashville about 3 weeks ago.

I had a LOT of fun!

Sitting at home watching TV.

**VanHalenFan5150** · 11-23-2009, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardrock69

Yeah they were here in Gnashville about 3 weeks ago.

I had a LOT of fun!

Sitting at home watching TV.

I'm not going to sit around when Van Halen comes to town!

**jhale667** · 11-23-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VanHalenFan5150

I'm not going to sit around when Van Halen comes to town!

For your sake, hope they tour again.

Anyone else remember being a 14-yr old VH freak?

Ah, memories.

When most of us were your age, VH rolling into town was like the circus showed up...only with more dancing girls, and less animal poop.

**Seshmeister** · 11-23-2009, 09:24 PM

At the current prices I wouldn't have been able to go at that age.

**jhale667** · 11-23-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Seshmeister

At the current prices I wouldn't have been able to go at that age.

True. When I went back to see the fam over the summer I was looking at some of my old ticket stubs and laughing at some of the prices (that to be fair we complained about then) compared to today. Think I saw Randy Rhoads when I was around VH5150's age for something like $15!!

**kwame k** · 11-23-2009, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhale667

For your sake, hope they tour again.

Anyone else remember being a 14-yr old VH freak?

Ah, memories.

When most of us were your age, VH rolling into town was like the circus showed up...only with more dancing girls, and less animal poop.

Remember it well! Learning Al's drum licks and trying to find anything that was shown live on TV!

The thing that really made me want to play guitar was Kiss and Ace. He looked so cool with smoke coming out of his guitar and how low he wore it. What really made me decide to go over to drums was Wipe Out......I was 10 when I tried playing guitar and 11 when I switched to drums....

**VanHalenFan5150** · 11-24-2009, 08:44 AM

Van Halen's going on tour again, 2010 World Tour... Where have you guys been? But anyway, I live near a very major city in Florida; Tampa/St. Petersburg. If they were to come down here, that's likely where they would play. And it's only a 45 minute drive. The tickets wouldn't be too bad, but I still would like acceptable seats.

I'd be willing to spend upwards of $50+ to see them. I've been saving my money lately, and hey, there's not much good shit to spend it on.

**twonabomber** · 11-24-2009, 10:14 AM

on the last tour, $50 got nosebleed seats...

**Hardrock69** · 11-24-2009, 02:07 PM

When I saw them in 1978, it was $8.50 and that was for General Admission, so I got right in front, holding onto the rail.

**VanHalenFan5150** · 11-24-2009, 07:11 PM

Haha, wow man... (Tempted to not say "That suit is you!")

**Diamondjimi** · 11-25-2009, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardrock69

Wow. Even Gar could not get up the balls to post pics of his cardboard Charvel and his imaginary amps.

GARfail is a Unich, therefore he has no balls...

**Hardrock69** · 11-25-2009, 02:23 AM

Good call!

All smooth down there like a Ken doll, eh? Figures.

**GAR** · 11-25-2009, 02:31 AM

I recall two experiences sometimes out of order, and because I'm tired tonite I don't exactly care:

I saw Van Halen when I was 10 one summer, at a backyard party I wasn't invited to, just a neighbor kid riding up a driveway on a bike with dozens of older people standing around cheering with plastic beer cups in their hands. Typical SoCal kegger party.

That was free, and during a break the guitar player strapped an explorer-shaped guitar on me and showed me A and E chords for a few minutes.

Then the following year's fall I saw the end of a set over a fence by standing on my bike seat and handlebars looking over.

Didn't pay for that one either.

They got famous later on so I can't say I saw "Van Halen" live yet. I missed out on the US Festival which was my only chance but being about the 30th in line at Music Plus, tickets sold out in ten minutes.

**Diamondjimi** · 11-25-2009, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GAR

I recall two experiences sometimes out of order, and because I'm tired tonite I don't exactly care:

I saw Van Halen when I was 10 one summer, at a backyard party I wasn't invited to, just a neighbor kid riding up a driveway on a bike with dozens of older people standing around cheering with plastic beer cups in their hands. Typical SoCal kegger party.

That was free, and during a break the guitar player strapped an explorer-shaped guitar on me and showed me A and E chords for a few minutes.

OMG!!!

This is perhaps your nuclear FAIL. Ahahahahhahah...
Now you claim to have had an impromtu guitar lesson from Edward Van Halen!

Ahahahahahhahaaaaa ...... ONLY GARfail could pile the bullshit this tall!

**GAR** · 11-25-2009, 03:31 AM

I've been reiterating that story for 10 years or more now, you're pretty green regarding the stuff I've done and who I've known huh?

I mean you come in here about the time in 2003 when Hagar goes on tour with VH or whenever that was to have a shitfit, and you seem to be stuck shitting yourself ever since.

It may help to actually read what some people here have said over the years instead of just attacking any opportunity you see fit.

**Hardrock69** · 11-25-2009, 11:30 AM

Are you kidding, dumbass? Who would it help to "actually read" what YOU post on the interweb?

Next thing you will be trying to tell us you gave Boy George a blowjob in the bushes at Griffith Park!

**Hardrock69** · 11-25-2009, 11:32 AM

Are you kidding, dumbass? Who would it help to "actually read" what YOU post on the interweb?

Next thing you will be trying to tell us you gave Boy George a blowjob in the bushes at Griffith Park!

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Hardrock69 Rock God DIAMOND STATUS Join Date: Feb 2005 Member Number: 11017 Location: A Small Dive in a trashy neighborhood somewhere on Fornax 9 Posts: 12,670 Thanks: 96 Thanked 394 Times in 242 Posts Groans: 48 Groaned at 53 Times in 50 Posts Rep Power: 22 Last Online: Today 03:55 PM	Wow. Even Gar could not get up the balls to post pics of his cardboard Charvel and his imaginary amps. Kudos to you dude. I did not start playing electric until I was 16.

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Hardrock69 Rock God DIAMOND STATUS Join Date: Feb 2005 Member Number: 11017 Location: A Small Dive in a trashy neighborhood somewhere on Fornax 9 Posts: 12,670 Thanks: 96 Thanked 394 Times in 242 Posts Groans: 48 Groaned at 53 Times in 50 Posts Rep Power: 22 Last Online: Today 03:55 PM	OK so tell us...what was the defining moment where you suddenly realized playing guitar was something you must do? Just curious.

11-21-2009, 04:20 PM	#45 (permalink)
Hardrock69 Rock God DIAMOND STATUS Join Date: Feb 2005 Member Number: 11017 Location: A Small Dive in a trashy neighborhood somewhere on Fornax 9 Posts: 12,670 Thanks: 96 Thanked 394 Times in 242 Posts Groans: 48 Groaned at 53 Times in 50 Posts Rep Power: 22 Last Online: Today 03:55 PM	Not putting him on the spot E. Many musicians, myself included, can point to one point in their life where they decided playing guitar (or music) is what they truly wanted to do. In my case, it was seeing ZZ Top in 1976. When I walked out of the venue, I knew I MUST play guitar. I was not meaning "must" as in "SOMEONE ELSE telling you that you MUST do something". It was meant more as when YOU tell YOURSELF you must do something. Understand?

11-22-2009, 07:33 PM	#56 (permalink)
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Hardrock69 Rock God DIAMOND STATUS Join Date: Feb 2005 Member Number: 11017 Location: A Small Dive in a trashy neighborhood somewhere on Fornax 9 Posts: 12,670 Thanks: 96 Thanked 394 Times in 242 Posts Groans: 48 Groaned at 53 Times in 50 Posts Rep Power: 22 Last Online: Today 03:55 PM	Uhh...he means he is a Dick Dale fan as well. And you do not have to apologize to Gar for anything. He will attempt to tell you what you should do with your stuff (hell, he already did, lol), so feel free to tell him to shut up. Last edited by Hardrock69; 11-23-2009 at 12:44 AM.

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Hardrock69 Rock God DIAMOND STATUS Join Date: Feb 2005 Member Number: 11017 Location: A Small Dive in a trashy neighborhood somewhere on Fornax 9 Posts: 12,670 Thanks: 96 Thanked 394 Times in 242 Posts Groans: 48 Groaned at 53 Times in 50 Posts Rep Power: 22 Last Online: Today 03:55 PM	Ace was not the guy who kicked me in the ass suddenly and made me want to play guitar, but the Christmas of 1976 I found a Kiss Easy Guitar book, and was able to learn the entire Kiss Alive album within a year or so. His solos were easy enough for a beginner to learn, but, as a beginner, I still found them challenging. I always could pick up solos easier...it took me awhile to get a lot of chordal things down. Only time I ever saw Adrian Vandenburg was when he was playing in Whitesnake in the mid-80s.

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Hardrock69 Rock God DIAMOND STATUS Join Date: Feb 2005 Member Number: 11017 Location: A Small Dive in a trashy neighborhood somewhere on Fornax 9 Posts: 12,670 Thanks: 96 Thanked 394 Times in 242 Posts Groans: 48 Groaned at 53 Times in 50 Posts Rep Power: 22 Last Online: Today 03:55 PM	Yeah they were here in Gnashville about 3 weeks ago. I had a LOT of fun! Sitting at home watching TV.

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VanHalenFan5150 Head Fluffer Join Date: Oct 2009 Member Number: 24972 Location: Bradenton, Florida Age: 15 Posts: 309 Thanks: 20 Thanked 38 Times in 30 Posts Groans: 3 Groaned at 10 Times in 7 Posts Rep Power: 1 Last Online: Today 05:42 PM	Van Halen's going on tour again, 2010 World Tour... Where have you guys been? But anyway, I live near a very major city in Florida; Tampa/St. Petersburg. If they were to come down here, that's likely where they would play. And it's only a 45 minute drive. The tickets wouldn't be too bad, but I still would like acceptable seats. I'd be willing to spend upwards of $50+ to see them. I've been saving my money lately, and hey, there's not much good shit to spend it on. __________________ The best guitar player ever? In my heart, Edward Van Halen.

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Hardrock69 Rock God DIAMOND STATUS Join Date: Feb 2005 Member Number: 11017 Location: A Small Dive in a trashy neighborhood somewhere on Fornax 9 Posts: 12,670 Thanks: 96 Thanked 394 Times in 242 Posts Groans: 48 Groaned at 53 Times in 50 Posts Rep Power: 22 Last Online: Today 03:55 PM	When I saw them in 1978, it was $8.50 and that was for General Admission, so I got right in front, holding onto the rail.

11-24-2009, 07:11 PM	#73 (permalink)
VanHalenFan5150 Head Fluffer Join Date: Oct 2009 Member Number: 24972 Location: Bradenton, Florida Age: 15 Posts: 309 Thanks: 20 Thanked 38 Times in 30 Posts Groans: 3 Groaned at 10 Times in 7 Posts Rep Power: 1 Last Online: Today 05:42 PM	Haha, wow man... (Tempted to not say "That suit is you!") __________________ The best guitar player ever? In my heart, Edward Van Halen.

11-25-2009, 02:23 AM	#75 (permalink)
Hardrock69 Rock God DIAMOND STATUS Join Date: Feb 2005 Member Number: 11017 Location: A Small Dive in a trashy neighborhood somewhere on Fornax 9 Posts: 12,670 Thanks: 96 Thanked 394 Times in 242 Posts Groans: 48 Groaned at 53 Times in 50 Posts Rep Power: 22 Last Online: Today 03:55 PM	Good call! All smooth down there like a Ken doll, eh? Figures.

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Hardrock69 Rock God DIAMOND STATUS Join Date: Feb 2005 Member Number: 11017 Location: A Small Dive in a trashy neighborhood somewhere on Fornax 9 Posts: 12,670 Thanks: 96 Thanked 394 Times in 242 Posts Groans: 48 Groaned at 53 Times in 50 Posts Rep Power: 22 Last Online: Today 03:55 PM	Are you kidding, dumbass? Who would it help to "actually read" what YOU post on the interweb? Next thing you will be trying to tell us you gave Boy George a blowjob in the bushes at Griffith Park!

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