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Old 11-20-2009, 02:25 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Has anyone seen (or heard) any hard evidence that Wolfie's bass parts were piped in?
Yeah, I was there!

There were too many times to count when what his hands seemed to be doing (or lackthereof) was completely in contrast to what was heard...

There are large numbers of witnesses of this same phenomena...


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Yeah, I was there!

There were too many times to count when what his hands seemed to be doing (or lackthereof) was completely in contrast to what was heard...

There are large numbers of witnesses of this same phenomena...


I was about 8 or so rows back at his side at the Baltimore gig but to be honest I didn't actually look at what he was doing at any point.

I just kind of pretended he wasn't there.
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If it were true, Val would have spewed about it on a daytime talk show by now.

She's told all the other family secrets so why the fuck not?
Don't forget Eddie. I was reading an interview a few years ago and the interviewer asked if Wolfie had discovered girls and Eddie said he knew Wolfie spanked it in the bathroom. LOL! Ed just said Wolfie would spend a lot of time in the bathroom and he knew what was going down.
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Yeah, I was there!

There are large numbers of witnesses of this same phenomena...


look...the same people witnessed another phenomena!




totally true! there is the picture! there is the evidence!!!
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When I think of Van Halen it's not some zit faced kid looking out of place up there but more like this:

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When I think of Van Halen it's not some zit faced kid looking out of place up there but more like this:

man...that was a band you could win a war with back then...
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No offense but I'm a guitarist and there's no way he (Ed) can play both at the same time. Unless he's an octopuss. lol
No Offense taken, but I've played too. Not saying Ed's playing both - just one that sounds like a bass line. That doesn't mean W. is playing ANYTHING.
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Has anyone seen (or heard) any hard evidence that Wolfie's bass parts were piped in? Any revealing concert footage? Any comments from rogue roadies? This shit has been eating at me since the tour. I know we all have our suspicions...
Get a life, you Michael Anthony lover.
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Yeah, I was there!

There were too many times to count when what his hands seemed to be doing (or lackthereof) was completely in contrast to what was heard...

There are large numbers of witnesses of this same phenomena...


That's exactly what I saw/didn't hear too...

To the inexperienced most won't catch it... but as a guitarist and front of the house engineer for almost 3 decades it was clear as day. From what I heard from the monitor mix it reminded me of some the soundboard leaks from Linda McCartney...

For a live house system of that much huge power... it was amazing that Wolf's neck slides and cute little 12-15th fret magic show rarely came thru the subs or the mid-mains. Had he been hot thru those channels as Michael always was... it would have been clear and painfully audible. But it wasn't...
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When I think of Van Halen it's not some zit faced kid looking out of place up there but more like this:

Great example... for what I'm describing in my previous post... even thru crappy computer speakers. Check Mike's bass and the runs he does up the neck between 1:40 - 20. Clearly audible...

Check Wolf in post #4 at the :28 - :31... where's the bass?
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That's exactly what I saw/didn't hear too...

To the inexperienced most won't catch it... but as a guitarist and front of the house engineer for almost 3 decades it was clear as day. From what I heard from the monitor mix it reminded me of some the soundboard leaks from Linda McCartney...

For a live house system of that much huge power... it was amazing that Wolf's neck slides and cute little 12-15th fret magic show rarely came thru the subs or the mid-mains. Had he been hot thru those channels as Michael always was... it would have been clear and painfully audible. But it wasn't...
Thank you!

I'm 100% honest about what i'm saying and I know what I saw. Yes, he was playing at times and doing backup vocals at times, as was Edward. Then, out of nowhere, the sound would change and the backup vocals would be perfect and bass could be heard when his hands were not even touching the guitar...

That is the truth!

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Then, out of nowhere, the sound would change and the backup vocals would be perfect and bass could be heard when his hands were not even touching the guitar...

That is the truth!

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was it just during the keyboard tunes Jump and I'll Wait, or were there other times as well?
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My take... From the Little Rock show on the 3rd leg. I was sitting in the lower bowl on Wolf's side about stage height with a clear view and could hear both the mains and monitor mix pretty well.

Wolfie "played" the whole show.

But... not alone. 90-95% of his playing was piped out thru the mains. There were some very clear suspect times when it wasn't all Wolf's bass though.

Like in that Jump clip a few posts up... when you see Wolf playing the lower root notes, then slide up the neck and hit a little run a couple of octives higher in the 12-14th frets... From the mains you hear the lower pounding root notes... No slide sound and no high notes. In the monitors on stage for the band you could hear the slide and high notes... Most of the audience couldn't hear the monitors...

Both keyboard songs, Jump & I'll wait had very clear bass backing tracks. I saw/heard that neck slide up and high note routine Wolf does in several other songs... but that noise wasn't coming out of the front of the house sound.

It sealed the deal for me during Jump at that show... for about most the beginning of the song until just before the 1st chorus... Wolf was standing on his far side of the stage right on the edge playing pick frisbee with his bass tech. About every 10-20 seconds he'd act like he's doing weak hammer-ons in between flinging picks at his tech down below the far left side of the stage. While all this is happening... pounding bass root notes are blasting out of the main sound system. Clearly not coming from the kid's instrument...

I wouldn't claim the kid's bass was Milli-Vanillied the whole show. A more accurate observation was his playing was "enhanced".

Backing vocals... no question they were piped in throughout the show.

See, he may well have been miming along with pre-recorded bass at some points during the Tampa show. My seats were facing stage center, but I wasn't on the floor. I was seated up about halfway between the floor and the top of the arena, and even as I was alternating between watching the video screen and the performers, I noticed there was a slight lag on the video screen between the sounds being produced onstage, the images being shown onscreen vs the audio actually hitting my ears. When I say slight, I mean a half second or so, but even though I am somewhat of an experienced musician, I simply wasn't close enough to see Wolf's hands on the bass in realtime to tell for sure.

The backing vocals HAD to be pre-recorded in spots, though. Again, they were just too perfect, and multi-toned in terms of different voices and pitches for just Dave and Wolf to have been doing them...and doing them THAT spot-on.
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The greater shock was Eddie's performance, which became very erratic after the first 5 or so tunes...

...his extended solo spot onstage towards the end of the show was, frankly, pretty painful to watch.
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To tell ya the truth, if Wolfgang Van Halen was actually playing his bass on a couple songs or all of them is pretty much a non-factor for me. Seriously, if you went to the show by paying your hard earned dime and enjoyed the experience, who is to say otherwise? Dave Roth and Edward Van Halen were finally reunited upon a stage. Some people have been waiting 20 odd years for this. Hooray.

OK. Yet for me, this entire enterprise was an approximation of Van Halen, from the get-go. And as such, I chose to opt out. I'll admit there is a certain cynicism in that decision, but it has been born out by what has taken place at the behest of the "band's" leader. To be a fan of VH these days means that you will purchase expensive products, like signature guitars, various pedals and even tennis shoes, all stating the addendum "This is what I use". The total irony in that advertising staple is the fellow has not used any of these devices to create new music since sometime over a decade ago. (Sorry Mr. Van Halen, three crummy Hagar rejects on a second "Best Of" record within less than a decade and a couple wank-jobs for a truly awful porn flick do not constitute artistry let alone quality, ya fuckin' dork.)

So all in all, what does it matter if Wolfie played or not? At this point, Van Halen honesty borders upon masochism for those that still believe in this band. At least that is how I see it these days.
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Nothing to do with being a Michael Anthony lover...I'm a CVH lover. VH without Mikey is not CVH. Wolfie is not CVH. Dave is the only thing that saved that entire tour.

I saw two shows on the tour; I never really saw anything that made me believe without a shadow of a doubt that Wolfie's shit was fishy, but you gotta admit, there was an awful lot of buzz about whether or not he was really playing. I got nothing against the kid, and I went to see Dave and Ed together, period, so in reality the bass player didnt mean shit to me.

Again, you gotta admit, a jack daniels swiggin psycho hammering open e is a lot more interesting than a kid that should be playing weddings. If I told you I wouldnt prefer the entire original lineup as opposed to what we got handed, I'd be lying. Just being honest.
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So all in all, what does it matter if Wolfie played or not? At this point, Van Halen honesty borders upon masochism for those that still believe in this band. At least that is how I see it these days.

It's too much like trying to find the silver lining these days. While it was neat to see Roth and Ed onstage together, too many times it was a case of Dave acquitting himself well and Ed being incapable...like, even the times that found everything clicking together well and the band started cooking, it was still just an approximation of the past...I found myself thinking "I've been wanting to see Dave and Ed playing together again for so long, but this is a bit underwhelming."
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Why would they bother ???

No offence to any virtuoso bassists that may
be reading, but basic bass playing is not complicated.

I also think that any piped in backing vocals were
sung over, making the fact it was piped, suck a
tiny bit less, or what about the argument they
used a harmonizer and Ed and Wolf did actually
sing with the harmonizer or pitch shifter auto
correcting ???
100% correct!!
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Backing vocals... no question they were piped in throughout the show.
Saw the Minneapolis show and yes I could tell during a few songs that the vocals were "piped" in.

Though they were mostly pre-recorded vocals but not necessarily the original Mike tracks.
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Nothing to do with being a Michael Anthony lover...I'm a CVH lover. VH without Mikey is not CVH. Wolfie is not CVH. Dave is the only thing that saved that entire tour.

I saw two shows on the tour; I never really saw anything that made me believe without a shadow of a doubt that Wolfie's shit was fishy, but you gotta admit, there was an awful lot of buzz about whether or not he was really playing. I got nothing against the kid, and I went to see Dave and Ed together, period, so in reality the bass player didnt mean shit to me.

Again, you gotta admit, a jack daniels swiggin psycho hammering open e is a lot more interesting than a kid that should be playing weddings. If I told you I wouldnt prefer the entire original lineup as opposed to what we got handed, I'd be lying. Just being honest.
Mike was more than thumping the big E. He used to tear it up in the old days and there is some tasty bass work on the VH albums. I always liked the bass on Dirty Movies.
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You would have thought being Eddie Van Halen's son, he would have learnt how to play the fucking thing,

You pay all that money to see a fucking novice on the bass.

Ed you're a cunt!

Wolfie you're a lazy cunt!
I'm a bass player and I have to agree.
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Fuckit, lets all get sammy and Mike back onstage so we can resolve this issue...
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I hate to dig this shit back up...but I gotta ask...if the kid was really playing, why no bass solo? I mean, that would have sealed him in solid, right? Certainly would have shut everyone up...right?
Ahh fuck it.
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I was in the unenviable position of living in Gnashville, where the motherfuckers REFUSED TO PLAY, DESPITE continually adding dates.

Fuckers!

They played Atlanta 2wice, but both times it was during the week, when I absolutely could NOT miss work the next morning. And no way was I going to try to work on 2 hours of sleep.

So IF they tour again, I sure as hell hope they play here, or if they don't, I hope they play someplace near here on a Friday or Saturday night.

And what woulda helped to solve this dilemna once and for all would have been some pics of the FOH board that were hi-def enough to see the fader labels.
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I hate to dig this shit back up...but I gotta ask...if the kid was really playing, why no bass solo? I mean, that would have sealed him in solid, right? Certainly would have shut everyone up...right?
Ahh fuck it.
He did some noodling on the intro to So This Is Love but very brief and nothing to write home about.
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Any comments from rogue roadies?
Just the one about Mikes' bass playing is so invisibly perfect you won't see him up there..
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Just the one about Mikes' bass playing is so invisibly perfect you won't see him up there..
This coming from a guy who's opinions and expertise has been piped in for the last decade...
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