Any solid proof wolfie's bass was piped?

**DaveTheScott** · 11-19-2009, 05:06 PM

Has anyone seen (or heard) any hard evidence that Wolfie's bass parts were piped in? Any revealing concert footage? Any comments from rogue roadies? This shit has been eating at me since the tour. I know we all have our suspicions...

**diamondsgirl** · 11-19-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveTheScott

Has anyone seen (or heard) any hard evidence that Wolfie's bass parts were piped in? Any revealing concert footage? Any comments from rogue roadies? This shit has been eating at me since the tour. I know we all have our suspicions...

If it were true, Val would have spewed about it on a daytime talk show by now.

She's told all the other family secrets so why the fuck not?

**DaveTheScott** · 11-19-2009, 05:11 PM

Good point...guess it depends on how close she is to Wolf. Seems like she would definitely comment on the backing vocals, though...

**ThrillsNSpills** · 11-19-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveTheScott

Has anyone seen (or heard) any hard evidence that Wolfie's bass parts were piped in? Any revealing concert footage? Any comments from rogue roadies? This shit has been eating at me since the tour. I know we all have our suspicions...

look what he's doing at :28 and you tell me

**MAX** · 11-19-2009, 05:22 PM

Everyone keeps sayin' it but he played when I saw them and he did a stellar job!!!

**diamondsgirl** · 11-19-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ThrillsNSpills

look what he's doing at :28 and you tell me

what is he doing?

looks like he's playing. No?

**FORD** · 11-19-2009, 05:30 PM

There was some tool called "Santa's Bitch" that used to post here back in '07 who talked a lot of bullshit about Wolfie's alleged "miming" but all he ever offered as "evidence" was some horrible cell phone video from a concert.

Just a member of the Chickenshit fan club (formerly VH Links) more than likely.

**MAX** · 11-19-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FORD

There was some tool called "Santa's Bitch" that used to post here back in '07 who talked a lot of bullshit about Wolfie's alleged "miming" but all he ever offered as "evidence" was some horrible cell phone video from a concert.

Just a member of the Chickenshit fan club (formerly VH Links) more than likely.

Whaaatuuup FORD? Long time and no see.

Hope you're well?

I don't post much these days. Ironically, it's due to the fact that the last =VH= show filled me up!!! I had closure. Of course I wan't more but the last tour was so epic...... I dunno what to say?

Regardless, it's great to see you.

**lesfunk** · 11-19-2009, 05:38 PM

Wolfgang played bass on tour. Folks need to just get over it.
Whether or not his vocals were "enhanced", Well, that's another story.

**Shoes, Sensible** · 11-19-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ThrillsNSpills

look what he's doing at :28 and you tell me

That could be Ed you hear

**Mushroom** · 11-19-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveTheScott

This shit has been eating at me since the tour.

don't waste your time. why would they pipe in Wolfie's bass? has anybody tried to learn the bass? it doesn't take 5 years to figure out the basics.

**MAX** · 11-19-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoes, Sensible

That could be Ed you hear

No offense but I'm a guitarist and there's no way he (Ed) can play both at the same time. Unless he's an octopuss. lol

**UK ROCKER** · 11-19-2009, 06:35 PM

I wish they had piped the bass in cos this is fucking terrible!

This kid is fucking shite! Fucking shite I tell thee,

**ThrillsNSpills** · 11-19-2009, 06:46 PM

The kid's hands are all over the neck beginning at :28 while the bass you HEAR stays on the same note.

**Nickdfresh** · 11-19-2009, 06:49 PM

Of course he played bass and sang live, to backing tracks of his bass playing and singing...

**Imapus_Sylicker** · 11-19-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by UK ROCKER

I wish they had piped the bass in cos this is fucking terrible!

This kid is fucking shite! Fucking shite I tell thee,

Yeah, but Dave is rockin', as always!

Cheers!

**Dan** · 11-19-2009, 07:01 PM

Who Gives A Fuck.

**Antman** · 11-19-2009, 07:04 PM

I saw them 4x last tour and two shows I was thisclose to the stage, one being on Wolfie's side. I can honestly say they the kid was playing.

**UK ROCKER** · 11-19-2009, 07:20 PM

You would have thought being Eddie Van Halen's son, he would have learnt how to play the fucking thing,

You pay all that money to see a fucking novice on the bass.

Ed you're a cunt!

Wolfie you're a lazy cunt!

**Dan** · 11-19-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by UK ROCKER

You would have thought being Eddie Van Halen's son, he would have learnt how to play the fucking thing,

You pay all that money to see a fucking novice on the bass.

Ed you're a cunt!

Wolfie you're a lazy cunt!

So, How many Times Did You See Them?

**UK ROCKER** · 11-19-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan

So, How many Times Did You See Them?

I did not see them at all, I used the term 'you' as a general term for a punter/fan.

**VanHalenFan5150** · 11-19-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Imapus_Sylicker

Yeah, but Dave is rockin', as always!

Cheers!

Honestly, coming from a musician, it really wasn't half bad, and i'm not saying that because I really love Van Halen, he's a halfway decent bass player considering the time he's been playing for. But bass isn't very hard, to be honest. I really see no problems with Wolfie, besides his weight, but hell, we can't do anything about it. I don't see why people bash his fucking face in all the time, show the little kid a respect, you know? He's not much older than I am, he's almost 19, so almost 4 years. He doesn't get the respect he deserves... At least he TRIES.

**UK ROCKER** · 11-19-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by VanHalenFan5150

... At least he TRIES.

That is not good enough when people are paying top dollar for tickets.

I think the kid holds the band back, at least Mikey had some cool backing vox, was full of life on stage.

Wolfie just looks plain miserable on stage.

**78/84 guy** · 11-19-2009, 07:59 PM

Complete bullshit !! Ed is a dumbass but he would never go on a stage with piped in bass !! Son or otherwise. Keyboards he had no choice, Everyone hated watching him play them live. Get over it !!

**Mushroom** · 11-19-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by UK ROCKER

That is not good enough when people are paying top dollar for tickets.

I think the kid holds the band back, at least Mikey had some cool backing vox, was full of life on stage.

Wolfie just looks plain miserable on stage.

my wife and i went twice, and it was worth it. wolfie had little stage presence, and ed was tethered to his stomp boxes, but i didnt give a flyin fuck

**LoungeMachine** · 11-19-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 78/84 guy

Complete bullshit !! Ed is a dumbass but he would never go on a stage with piped in bass !! Son or otherwise.

Right.

Because we all know spED has the highest of professional integrity.

**Imapus_Sylicker** · 11-19-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 78/84 guy

Complete bullshit !! Ed is a dumbass but he would never go on a stage with piped in bass !! Son or otherwise. Keyboards he had no choice, Everyone hated watching him play them live. Get over it !!

Oh, for the love of...

Ed would go on stage with piped in everything except the guitar, if he could get away with it.

Cheers!

**UK ROCKER** · 11-19-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mushroom

wolfie had little stage presence,

In what way? please elaborate

**Nickdfresh** · 11-19-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by UK ROCKER

In what way? please elaborate

Ever hear of Gary Cherone?

**VanHalenFan5150** · 11-19-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nickdfresh

Ever hear of Gary Cherone?

Of the non-DLR singers, i'd say Cherone was the best, to be honest and fair. He wasn't egotistical like Sammy, and didn't look like a goon from the beach, either.

**Seshmeister** · 11-19-2009, 09:46 PM

Back on planet Earth what happened was that mini fat Ed did play the bass but they piped in the backing vocals.

This was a very very wrong decision.

It invited in the ghost of Milli Vanilli into the VH camp. Once you know that they are miming one thing then you spend your whole time looking for other stuff.

It's a fucking disgrace and I hate it!

**LoungeMachine** · 11-19-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Seshmeister

Back on planet Earth what happened was that mini fat Ed did play the bass but they piped in the backing vocals.

This was a very very wrong decision.

It invited in the ghost of Milli Vanilli into the VH camp. Once you know that they are miming one thing then you spend your whole time looking for other stuff.

It's a fucking disgrace and I hate it!

Meh....

Once you've so blatantly told the CVH fan to STFU, and dole out the bucks for whatever incarnation spED has decided to offer, what's a little Titney Spears vocal efx????

spED already said NO to anyt new material.....

NO to a real CVH reunion.......

NO to an unmuzzled DLR......

Did anyone think he was actually going to draw the line at canned vocals?

**Terry** · 11-19-2009, 10:15 PM

Hard to tell from the gig I saw in terms of the bass. The mix at the Tampa show was so muddled that all I could hear with real clarity were the drums, the lead vocals and the backing vocals (frankly, the backing vocals sounded a bit TOO perfect at times).

The stringed instruments came across as mid-range sludge; Ed was louder than Wolf, but not by all that much.

In all honesty, about the only time I really even paid attention to the kid was during the intro to So This Is Love? He did a pretty neat little bit during the intro. Oh, and Wolfie totally NAILED the RWTD intro...I mean, he played that open E like a motherfucker!! ; )

When I saw the band 25 years ago, I barely paid any attention to Mike Anthony, so his absence wasn't too glaring last year.

It's just like Lounge said. If you chose to be a Van Halen fan these days, you get served whatever Ed feels like giving you. If you don't like it, Ed doesn't give a shit.

As uneven as the shows were last tour as more and more dates were added (mostly due to Ed's substandard performances) they could go out on the road again with Roth doing more or less the same show as last time and it'd still sell out. If one chooses not to see them live, it's not like there won't be at least a dozen other people who would buy that ticket.

**Panamark** · 11-19-2009, 11:37 PM

Why would they bother ???

No offence to any virtuoso bassists that may
be reading, but basic bass playing is not complicated.

I also think that any piped in backing vocals were
sung over, making the fact it was piped, suck a
tiny bit less, or what about the argument they
used a harmonizer and Ed and Wolf did actually
sing with the harmonizer or pitch shifter auto
correcting ???

**Dan** · 11-19-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by UK ROCKER

I did not see them at all, I used the term 'you' as a general term for a punter/fan.

You Should Have.

**Va Beach VH Fan** · 11-19-2009, 11:56 PM

Lemme tell ya, me and Poj were watching him like a fucking HAWK in Greensboro....

The kid's legit......

**LoungeMachine** · 11-20-2009, 12:55 AM

Define legit

**DavidLeeNatra** · 11-20-2009, 06:52 AM

the guy who killed Kennedy played bass and the other guy who stole the x-files from area51 sung the backing vocals...or were they both the same...you specialists will figure that out...cell phone vids on youtube will prove everything!

**ZahZoo** · 11-20-2009, 08:56 AM

My take... From the Little Rock show on the 3rd leg. I was sitting in the lower bowl on Wolf's side about stage height with a clear view and could hear both the mains and monitor mix pretty well.

Wolfie "played" the whole show.

But... not alone. 90-95% of his playing was piped out thru the mains. There were some very clear suspect times when it wasn't all Wolf's bass though.

Like in that Jump clip a few posts up... when you see Wolf playing the lower root notes, then slide up the neck and hit a little run a couple of octives higher in the 12-14th frets... From the mains you hear the lower pounding root notes... No slide sound and no high notes. In the monitors on stage for the band you could hear the slide and high notes... Most of the audience couldn't hear the monitors...

Both keyboard songs, Jump & I'll wait had very clear bass backing tracks. I saw/heard that neck slide up and high note routine Wolf does in several other songs... but that noise wasn't coming out of the front of the house sound.

It sealed the deal for me during Jump at that show... for about most the beginning of the song until just before the 1st chorus... Wolf was standing on his far side of the stage right on the edge playing pick frisbee with his bass tech. About every 10-20 seconds he'd act like he's doing weak hammer-ons in between flinging picks at his tech down below the far left side of the stage. While all this is happening... pounding bass root notes are blasting out of the main sound system. Clearly not coming from the kid's instrument...

I wouldn't claim the kid's bass was Milli-Vanillied the whole show. A more accurate observation was his playing was "enhanced".

Backing vocals... no question they were piped in throughout the show.

**VAiN** · 11-20-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ZahZoo

Both keyboard songs, Jump & I'll wait had very clear bass backing tracks. I saw/heard that neck slide up and high note routine Wolf does in several other songs... but that noise wasn't coming out of the front of the house sound.

Here's my problem with this... during the keyboard songs, you're hearing the very low bass notes on the keyboard being pounded out. That's how Eddie plays the parts... Like in Jump - the keyboard rides the low C for the bulk of the tune and it blends with the bass guitar. I do not believe that there was any bass guitar being piped in - and I saw them 6 times in 07/08.

As far as the backing vocals go, I believe there was some sort of sweetening in the mix... but that's nothing new. VH has been doing this for quite a while before Wolf was in the band.

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UK ROCKER Head Fluffer Join Date: Oct 2009 Member Number: 24983 Location: UK Age: 49 Posts: 203 Thanks: 49 Thanked 23 Times in 20 Posts Groans: 2 Groaned at 8 Times in 7 Posts Rep Power: 1 Last Online: Yesterday 07:54 PM	You would have thought being Eddie Van Halen's son, he would have learnt how to play the fucking thing, You pay all that money to see a fucking novice on the bass. Ed you're a cunt! Wolfie you're a lazy cunt!

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