https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zi96-XtjXo
It's always been somewhat mystifying to me as to exactly why Ryan got the reputation of being a "wonk" on healthcare in the first place. At least in terms of the substance of his ideas once they are looked at closely beyond his sound bytes. I mean, doubtless that claim of "Ryan is a wonk who knows the math when it comes to healthcare" will tend to stick if it is (as it has been) repeated in enough periodicals and on enough television programs. Beyond the pithy veneer, Ryan's claims of what his plan will do don't match up to the reality of it: the math simply doesn't add up.
Even the ACA itself was nothing other than a first step toward addressing the structural underlay and future problems Americans face with regard to purchasing affordable healthcare within an aging population facing stagnating wages. It was merely a start. It certainly wasn't a moon shot. Ryan's current proposal is mere tinkering. Diddling around with what is in place in a manner that will sharply underfund a program that wasn't exactly overfunded to begin with, while simultaneously implying that prior to the ACA the system which was largely run by health insurance companies itself hadn't been subject to simultaneous risings in costs and cutbacks in services year after year.
It's a canard that Ryan has repeated for 8 years, but repetition doesn't make it any more true now than it was when he first started uttering it. You can say 2 + 2 = 5 all you like, and perhaps even convince yourself and others it is true. The CBO will likely, based on facts and historical financial data, disagree. Doubtless such a disagreement will be chalked up to a pervasive amount of Obama holdovers in the government trying to undermine the Republican Party.
The fatal conceit of Ryan's power point presentation vividly illustrates that he clearly doesn't understand how insurance industries work in terms of wide nets, risk pooling and large amounts of policyholders and how all of that combines to either lower costs on average or at least keep costs from rising in double digit percentages annually. If he can't get the fundamentals right, it's in no way surprising that his prognostications will get the details wrong.
Granted, no plan is perfect. Not every circumstance of every policy holder is within Ryan's (or any one insurance companies) control. Misrepresenting what a plan will and won't do is something virtually every Congressional Republican jumped all over Obama on from 2008 through today, and rightfully so in some instances as the ACA was rolled out. Our elected representatives in Congress should be prepared to both withstand and answer to whatever questions and criticisms are levelled at RyanCare going forward. Coherent answers which demonstrate a command of the facts. Surely, that is the minimum of what one should expect from their politicians regardless of party, no?
Gawd, you truly are a fucking idiot. The ACA had zilch to do with health care reform; the whole blueprint of the ACA was health insurance reform. From its conception it was drafted written by the health insurance industry to sustain industry rationing of healthcare based on economic class, race, gender and age. ACA wasn't a "mere start" but a clusterfuck that opened the floodgates to what we are now seeing. No question Ryan pro-murder of the poor is only a piece in the puzzle of a bigger corporate monster that cannot be controlled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry
A lot of that on there is pure bullshit, slave FORD
Plus his Bill is pretty dead and buried at this point.
Ryan is 100% policy wonk. The government is full of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by FORD
Eddie's puppet masters are offering up some big money to anybody who votes for this piece of shit....
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Meanwhile, Cheeto has threatened to primary any Republican who votes against it, which also probably involves Koch money being funneled to their opponents.
And since many of the current Republicans are complete cowards, some of them will cave to all of the above. Only question is whether or not it will be enough to keep this rancid piece of shit alive.
Of course they claim it will die in the Senate in either case, but with treasonous fucks like Joe Manfromthecoalcompanysballsonmychin siding against his supposed party on every fucking vote, it's hard to say that for certain.
Ryan is for sale. Simple as that. As are most the politicians no matter what side of the isle they sit. They take special interest money and they do the bidding. To have a long career in politics you just need to be dependent on the special interest. If you want a short career in politics be independent and un-controllable. You will make all sorts of enemies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry
It's why you will never truly have government ran healthcare. We have the best government money can buy. Democrats. Republicans. All the same. The special interest will just bribe the politicians and take over healthcare even if the government is running it. So the only answer is diversification and competition. All you do by consolidating how things run is make a monopoly for the special interest. So you counter that by having things ran at the state level. Get the federal government out of it and then allow people to buy health insurance over state lines and the increased competition lowers the prices. Counties have ran some excellent hospitals. Better than the Veterans hospitals which are ran by the federal government. Yeah some counties and states will have better hospitals but that's life. It' the way it's always been. Have national healthcare and a few big special interests will run it. Just like so many contracting firms actually run large parts of our government. If you want Halliburton or the equivalent to be in charge of your healthcare then go for government ran healthcare. Politicians are just dependent panderers to the special interests and make long-term careers of it. The only answer is decentralization of control and increased competition. That makes it harder for anyone to make a killing.Quote:
Originally Posted by FORD
Seriously, just shut the fuck up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro Express
More of your pseudo-left horseshit. The Koch's know if this Bill does go through it will mean the sudden death of many of their GOP puppets. The last thing the Koch suckers want is a Democrat majority led Senate and House for decades to come over this Bill. The GOP will be a faint memory in 2020 and they fucking know that. No GOP Senator has taken Trump's threats seriously because they know his days are numbered and really, many of them no longer wish to be a part of his ongoing mental illness and national/international embarrassment. What you are about to witness is a fracturing of the GOP and it's starting right now over this insane Bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by FORD
If Trump can't repeal Obamacare it's the end of Trump. The Koch's know the Democrats will take their money and they can buy them. They own the Republicans. It's not complicated. They all are politicians. Got money, you own most them. The Kochs want Trump gone because they can't control him. Simple as that. The partisan politics is just a dog and pony show. It's pro-wrestling. Trump is an outsider. It's why the Republicans are undermining him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristy
Well honey. The only person who is going to look after you is you. That's the cold reality. If you are expecting some Utopia Santa Claus to come save you, you are living in a dream world. Don't tell me you just want to be some dependent person on welfare, kept captive so you keep voting the same corrupt politicians in office do you? That's the two choices. You take care of yourself, or you become someone's slave. Oh and they know how to make you a happy slave. Not really happy but content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristy
No, you fucking idiot. It Trump can't repeal the ACA it's the end of the GOP. Plus, this has zero to do with Trump. This whole headache is Paul Ryan's scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro Express
The Kochs DO control him. Or more specifically, Cheeto himself is irrelevant. Take a look at the cabinet picks. Every last agency in the hands of the person most hostile to the purpose of the agency. This is a Koch Brothers bought and paid for cabinet. Cheeto is no more the President than Reagan or Chimpy were. And Pence (the new Poppy Bush/Darth Cheney - in his own words) is a total Koch whore. Combined with Bannon who is the new Karl Rove (only new and "improved" with extra white supremacy and sleaziness)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro Express
I'm not your "honey" you stupid, F A T cocksucker pencil dick retard And who in the fuck is taking about welfare here? Health care is a major issue and it's about to get bigger. And tell me, you fucking stupid, stupid asshole, how does one with cancer take care of themselves? What fucking world do you live in other than the myriad of ones you constantly make up? Quit scapegoating the poor for your ridiculous horseshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro Express
No they don't The Kochs don't give one shit about Trump. No fucking idea where you're getting your information from other than angry white guys who scam you into your pseudo-left slavery.Quote:
Originally Posted by FORD
The Kochs are right now buying off the Senate as we speak.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...blicans-236389
In fact, the both of you are retards.
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slave NITRO Trump supporter
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCQuiT5kAb8
Make no mistake about it - Koch puppet Mike "Race Bannon" Pence is in charge. Cheeto is doing nothing but bitching on Twatter and golfing every goddamned weekend on the taxpayer dime.
Bannon - only on how to fuck over the poor. Pence on pretty much everything else
With all apologies to the late Douglas Adams, it seems that somebody in the Koch mafia put down their copy of Atlas Shrugged long enough to read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Because Cheeto is the living embodiment of Zaphod Beeblebrox even more than the Chimp was. I expect Drumpf to grow another head - with even dumber hair - any day now....
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The President is very much a figurehead - he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.
An orange sash is what the President of the Galaxy traditionally wears.
On those criteria Zaphod Beeblebrox is one of the most successful Presidents the Galaxy has ever had. He spent two of his ten Presidential years in prison for fraud. Very very few people realize that the President and the Government have virtually no power at all, and of these very few people only six know whence ultimate political power is wielded. Most of the others secretly believe that the ultimate decision-making process is handled by a computer. They couldn't be more wrong.
Be careful it appears someone has spilt some humanity on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristy
Eat a dick, limey.
3,2,1 and normality resumed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristy
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Apparently this includes the 1% who would still be able to afford corporate "health care" and the 16% who are simply home-schooled inbred teabaggers too terminally stupid to accept reality on ANY significant issue.
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Poor Eddie.... :(
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How did those deal making skills go, Donald?
Yes, fearless Paul Ryan, in such command of the details and facts, bravely rolling up his shirt sleeves and giving a PowerPoint presentation.
His 7 years of televised, self-promoted bullshit on the subject of health insurance finally ran up against the reality of what the CBO released, and Ryan couldn't produce enough smoke and mirrors to obscure his falsehoods anymore.
Too many conservative constituents have started paying attention, are learning what the numbers are and how these Ryan proposals will affect them if enacted. Political pablum of the kind Ryan offers isn't a substitute for affordable health insurance. You can't repeat Ryan's platitudes and substitute them for, say, prescription drugs and expect them to assist you when you are sick.
And this issue was the CENTERPIECE of what Ryan has been talking about since 2010. He has had the better part of a decade to have an acceptable alternative to the ACA ramped up and ready to go. He has had the Speakership for...what, 18 months? He had 6 months after the 2016 election to get all of logistics of securing the votes for the legislation in line.
The key issue he is best known for. He is in the key position to birth the legislation. He has had years and years to prepare for the moment.
Big, fat zero.
Slave to what my child? Obamacare was designed to fail but Hillary was supposed to be president so the emergency of the failure could be used to usher in a state controlled single payer system. So some Republicans in the pocket of the insurance companies tried to sneak a piece of shit through congress and failed. Back to the blackboard and as far as Trump goes he's making mistakes by deploying troops without a strategic plan. The same mistakes previous presidents have made. All it mean is the policy wonk lost to Rand Paul in this round. It's kind of how the system works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristy
In short Paul Ryan demonstrated he is in bed with the special interests and thinks the American public are stupid. Just call it Paul Ryan exposed. Just another reason Wisconsin needs to not re-elect the pompous jerk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry
What planet do you live on? Hillary hates single payer more than you do......Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro Express
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG7w3Oey3xs
in fact, what came to be known as "Obamacare" was actually the plan that Hillcunt herself was running on in the 2008 primary. Which is one of the main reasons she LOST.
You must love to suck on orange dick as FOX news fucks you in the ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro Express
On the other hand, slave FORD loves Dennis DeYoung dickQuote:
Originally Posted by FORD
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"slave FORD is my best costumer."
I can honestly say that I've never owned a single Styx album. They have a handful of songs I can listen to on the radio without vomiting, but when Dennis goes into cheese ballad mode (or worse yet, Mr. Roboto show tunes mode) it might as well be Hagar or Mealy Spam.
Oh, that's a lie. You're way too suburban not to have ever owned a Styx album.