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Ford posting the Pro-Trump sources. Put on your MAGA hat for fucks sake!:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hill_(newspaper)Quote:
2019
In January 2019, CNN reported that Finkelstein was interfering in the editorial independence of the paper in an inappropriate way to minimize criticism of American President Donald Trump. They reported that staff were "in revolt" over Finkelstein's ownership style.[9]
In September John Solomon left The Hill.[9]
The problem is with the "more evidence" is that no one fucking remembers her, according to the Associated Press who interviewed many of Biden's aides from that period...Quote:
Originally Posted by FORD
https://apnews.com/d922da60baa91121f4529fe51a0fd55a
And oh yes, she changed her story quite a bit from weird touching to now just short of rape. Okay...
She's changed her story more than once, and no one has corroborated her story until after she's restated it...
Pro-Trump?? Not likely. Krystal is a solid progressive (which is why MSDNC fired her) and Saagar calls himself a "conservative" but he's more of the Eisenhower variety than anything close to BCE or Trump loving. You'll never hear either of them saying anything in favor of the Orange Asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
Sure. But the editorial board gets the last laugh!! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by FORD
You're right! Here is the Hill on Bernie:
Sanders is a risk, not a winner
BY JAMES PARDEW, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 02/23/20 07:00 AM EST
Please, Democrats, find a practical, moderate candidate for president to help those of us in the center of the American political spectrum oust Donald Trump and his mindless supporters in Congress from power in November.
The Bernie Sanders revolution is not the answer.
The country needs a return to sanity, not an extremist from the idealistic far left to defeat Trump, the extremist reactionary on the far right. Give us someone — any gender or race — who is a real problem solver and who has some hope of winning the presidential and congressional election and then creating the political conditions for real change.
I make this plea as someone who grew up in the South and has worked in government for presidents of both parties. I am also not affiliated with any political party or candidate.
Large numbers of voters in Democratic primaries seem to think that a cranky, old, arm waving New England socialist with a heart condition can defeat Trump and carry through on his idealistic promises — Not a chance, and the Republicans know it.
The Democrats have a spectacular opportunity this Fall to define Trump as Vladimir Putin’s candidate, using videos and statements by Trump in his own words and images with Putin and others. If Sen. Sanders (I-Vt.) is the nominee, Democrats lose that advantage — and Trump will define all Democrats as crazy socialists — even communists — who want to destroy successful American capitalism and implement suffocating government to replace freedom.
I can envision old images of an arm waving Lenin beside photos of an arm-waving Bernie.
With Sanders’ “Medicare for All” plan, Trump can rightly say that Sanders, like him, wants to kill Obamacare. Sanders’ proposal is unaffordable and would take current health insurance away from millions of Americans who are happy with the health coverage they have now. This is another unnecessary gift to Trump.
The Democrats need to retain control of the House and gain control of the Senate to have any hope of working with moderate Republicans to clean up the mess after Trump. That means the Democrats need to win elections in the center of the country.
Unfortunately, Democrats today, like in 2016, seem to have lost sight of the critical importance of the South and the center of the country — and the golden center of the American political spectrum — where they must win to oust Trump.
The enthusiasm of idealistic liberals pushing Sanders for the Democratic nominee will not translate into electoral college votes in the South and the center of the country where Trump is strongest.
I find it hard to believe any incumbent Democrats in Congress from the South or the center states think that a Sanders ticket would help their campaign for re-election.
Imagine Democratic candidates in Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida or Wisconsin, who are trying to defeat Mitch McConnell and running against other Trump candidates having to defend a Democratic Party led by Bernie Sanders. This could produce a Senate wipe-out and the potential loss of the House majority.
Even if Sanders were elected, his presidency would be a failure if Democrats lose their majority in the House, do not win the Senate and Mitch McConnell returns as Majority Leader. What’s more, he had a thin reputation for working across the aisle and negotiating compromise to pass legislation. The “purity” that seems to attract his supporters argues against his effectiveness in accomplishing anything he promises.
With that reality, what’s the point of a Sanders nomination?
Who are the potentially successful Democratic candidates? Any one of several experienced moderates — Sen. Amy Klobuchar, a Minnesota moderate; former Vice President Joe Biden, and former New York City mayor Mike Bloomberg would work. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is not as destructive as Sanders, but she jumped left when she should have gone to the center and now is trying to play it both ways. Others who have dropped out, like Kamala Harris, could have been acceptable but are out of the picture now.
Pete Buttigieg is impressive, smart and moderate — but very inexperienced. He also faces a serious, practical question that Democrats won’t talk about now, but will face in a general election: Is the nation ready to elect a gay president? Right or wrong, a very large number of voters on religious or traditional grounds will not vote for him. His orientation is a risk, and again, Trump will exploit fear and prejudice through surrogates like Rush Limbaugh to undermine Buttigieg in a general election.
Democrats should stop obsessing about offending the Sanders fanatics. Sanders’ people must decide if their self-righteous and extreme liberal policies are more important than the future of the nation and four more years under Donald Trump. If the Sanders message is most important, they will be blamed for the result, and the left of the Democratic Party will be discredited.
The nation is handing the Democrats a victory in November if they are smart enough to take it.
Trump has turned American democracy on its head. His corruption, incompetence, racism, history with women, attacks on democracy and the rule of law and the damage to U.S. national security all make him vulnerable. In addition, several winning issues in moderate America are open for Democrats:
Affordable healthcare and drug costs, quality public schools and affordable, quality public university options.
Reasonable gun control and measures to stop the ravages of drug addiction that ravage communities.
Programs to re-energize communities devastated by globalization and the loss of manufacturing and fossil fuel jobs.
A comprehensive program to deal with the obvious immigration problems on the borders as an alternative to Trump’s hateful, simplistic exclusionary wall.
Sanders must be the favored Democratic candidate for the Trump campaign because he offsets so many of Trump’s vulnerabilities and could present a devastating environment for down ballot candidates in critical states.
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The temptation of nominating Sanders risks far too great a disaster for Democrats when four more years of a Donald Trump presidency is at stake in the November election.
Please Democrats, give us a practical candidate for president who can win.
James W. Pardew is a former U.S. ambassador to Bulgaria and career Army intelligence officer. He has served as deputy assistant secretary-general of NATO and is the author of "Peacemakers: American Leadership and the End of Genocide in the Balkans."
There's no such thing as a "liberal media" network. Except for maybe Free Speech TV. And even they have the Hillbot Stephanie Miller on their morning show, so they're not even completely progressive.
The Hill Rising is a balanced show with one progressive anchor & one "traditional" conservative (as opposed to a right wing nutjob like most of those in the GOP after 1980). But that balance obviously doesn't extend to everyone who works for the Hill. Just like MSNBC - when it actually HAD some progressive shows (pre - Scumcast takeover) only had them for 4 hours a night at best. The rest of the day was always various shades of right wing. Now it's pretty much ALL right wing, with the possible exception of Chris Hayes.
This Pardew guy... his life story reads like a born & bred tool of the military-industrial complex. Not at all surprised he isn't a Bernie fan.
The left committing suicide again.
Maybe the "left" should support a candidate that's actually left and doesn't have a legion of skeletons walking around in their closets?
Hell, even if Bernie's policies were as shitty as Biden's or Hillary's he would still be a better candidate, because he doesn't have any "scandals". We know that, because they desperately tried to find one, and all they could come up with was the fact that Bernie made an official visit to a Soviet "sister city" during his term as mayor, and the trip just happened to be shortly after his wedding to Jane, so the corporatists called it "Honeymoon in Russia"
The fact that they try this hard, twice in a row, to find the shittiest candidate possible, that's some serious effort in stupidity. You might get the impression that the corporatist "democrats" don't actually want to win at all. :headscratch:
If Bernie were running they fuck well would have found some or made them up...Quote:
Originally Posted by FORD
This "scandal" is pretty much bullshit. She has changed her uncorroborated story several times from "he looked at me funny and hugged me" to "oh my God he tried to rip my panties off!!' It's just the Bill Clinton shit all over again. No one remembers her, and she has told completely different versions as we have gotten closer to the election....Quote:
Hell, even if Bernie's policies were as shitty as Biden's or Hillary's he would still be a better candidate, because he doesn't have any "scandals". We know that, because they desperately tried to find one, and all they could come up with was the fact that Bernie made an official visit to a Soviet "sister city" during his term as mayor, and the trip just happened to be shortly after his wedding to Jane, so the corporatists called it "Honeymoon in Russia"
The fact that they try this hard, twice in a row, to find the shittiest candidate possible, that's some serious effort in stupidity. You might get the impression that the corporatist "democrats" don't actually want to win at all. :headscratch:
You don't want to win, Ford. You just wanna go down the rabbit hole...
https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/lind...2_16x9_992.jpg
Ford's latest news source!!
Well, she just died a few weeks back, so I'm sure Satan could put me in touch with her, if I wanted. But I doubt I would trust anything she had to say. I'm sure she's busy running around Hell, making bets with Dick Nixon as to who can plant the most bugs in Satan's office. :gulp:
Satan might send her back, with that face...Quote:
Originally Posted by FORD
Other than he's a multimillionaire "champagne socialist" whose wife has been investigated for financials?Quote:
Originally Posted by FORD
Silly me! I forgot he farts potpourri while dancing on water...
Bernie liked the Soviet Union. He got the big show and liked it but he later became your typical political opportunist. He made a ton of money campaigning in these last two elections. He's got his man of the people schtick down. A lot of people believed it. He campaigns as long as he can to make the most money and then he dives out and supports the establishment.
There's an old saying that goes if you get rich while in office you are a crook. Most politicians are. Even the well meaning ones who go to the state capitol or Washington DC get corrupted. It's easy money and so many people want to give it to you. There is a whole industry that exists just to bribe politicians. It's called lobbying.
I do have to admit... Bernie was/is a great candidate. When someone is really good at something they should stick with it... it's what they do best. Don't spoil it all by electing them! Bernie in 2024!!
If that's true and I believe it is, it's a fucking rotten system. An old saying i Sweden: Every country get the leader they deserve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro Express
The Bern likes the attention and money. He will do it again if his ticker holds out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZahZoo
At the end of the day it’s the voters to blame. It’s the voters who keep re-electing the schmucks because they too want something from the government. You have shitty voters you get shitty results. When everyone wants to suck the tit you have problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by saint
Look in the mirror, idiot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro Express
There was plenty of choice, Bernie didn't even come close to getting the nomination.Quote:
Originally Posted by FORD
I admit I'm surprised that in a country of over 300 million you couldn't find a candidate under retirement age especially now we are in the middle of a 'kill old men plague' but there we are. You need to back Biden or you very well may not get another meaningful vote for a few decades...
I think the bigger problem for the Democratic party isn't just finding a decent candidate old or young... it's getting a consolidated platform and message that majority of the party and possibly the nation can unite behind.
Biden is your least, worst choice... an OG with 40+ years of lackluster coat-tail leadership. SMH
Still light years ahead of a retarded, asshole conman...Quote:
Originally Posted by ZahZoo
The only thing in revolt Ford is your sanity...
So your definition of "sanity" is voting for a senile banskter loving, PNAC signing, sex predator?? Because the strategy of running a shitty candidate against a circus clown worked so well in 2016.
Ford when is the last time you supported a winning candidate? I don't recall you liking Obama much.Quote:
Originally Posted by FORD
Nice touch on the "sex predator" thing! You do realize that extremist right wing operatives have been paying men and women to make false accusations? There was never a complaint and this woman is completely full of shit and has contradicted herself about eight times now. They tried it with Buttieg and then Fauci and it didn't work. But by all means keep up the MAGA propaganda from your right wing Hill site...
I addressed that in the Sanders thread :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
I "liked" Obama well enough in 2008. He wasn't my first choice... I was backing Kucinich as long as he was in. But when it came down to Barry vs Hillary, Obama was definitely the better candidate. Unfortunately, President Obama didn't come anywhere close to being the person that Candidate Obama pretended to be. Probably still a better President than Hillary would have been, but that's a low hurdle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
And THAT is the problem. Obama didn't even attempt to undo all the damage the Chimp did to this country. Bill Clinton not only didn't undo Reagan & Poppy's damage, he ADDED to it, by passing NAFTA, repealing Glass Steagal, and signing that fucking idiotic "Telecomunnications Reform Act" in 1996 that allowed the existence of FAUX Noize, Clear Channel, Scumcast, Sinclair & Verizon. And I fucking campaigned for Bill Clinton. Not something I'm very proud of now.
Biden was merely a shitty candidate the first three times he tried (and failed) to be President. Now he's s a shitty candidate who is mentally incapable of doing the job. We already had one of those in 1980 and another one in office right now, and look at how well that worked out.
Bidenbots use the excuse that they want the country to get back to "normal". But there was nothing fucking NORMAL about this country prior to November 2016. A NORMAL country would never have an election between a goddamned circus clown & a corporate whore who blatantly stole her party's primary. And certainly wouldn't double down on another shitty primary stealing useless candidate after LOSING to the circus clown. You want "back to normal", give Jimmy Carter his second term, because he was the last "normal" President. Yeah, he's fucking 95 years old, but even after a bout with brain cancer he's a Hell of a lot more mentally functional than Biden & the Orange fuck combined.
Jimmy doesn't want the job, of course. Who could blame him. I don't envy any President who has to clean up this mess. The problem is, the mess that needs to be cleaned up didn't begin with this pandemic, and it didn't begin in November 2016. And you can't fucking attempt to clean up a mess if you don't even know where the mess came from, much less if you're an active part of creating the mess in the first place. Which the PNAC signing, criminal bank cartel enabling, Clarence Thomas loving Joe Biden most definitely was.
Kucinich! Oh boy, there was a guy that could light up a room!! Sorry Obama wasn't your perfect dream candidate. He was as good as anyone could have been in the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by FORD
Oh for fucks sake! Obama inherited a complete economic meltdown shitstorm. He may have been the first President-Elect in history that was actually leading as Bush disappeared more and more into a pile of his own piss and shit. Obama was dealing with a largely Republican congress for most of his Presidency and America was pretty well run with a great economy...Quote:
And THAT is the problem. Obama didn't even attempt to undo all the damage the Chimp did to this country. Bill Clinton not only didn't undo Reagan & Poppy's damage, he ADDED to it, by passing NAFTA, repealing Glass Steagal, and signing that fucking idiotic "Telecomunnications Reform Act" in 1996 that allowed the existence of FAUX Noize, Clear Channel, Scumcast, Sinclair & Verizon. And I fucking campaigned for Bill Clinton. Not something I'm very proud of now.
As far as Clinton, he was a great overall President again in a shitstorm of circumstances. Yes, he could have been more progressive, but again he was dealing with a congress of asshole Republicans blocking pretty much anything he did and trying to impeach him over a blowjob! I don't agree with everything he did either, but he had a knife to his throat for much of his Presidency and had to deal with a psychotic opposition party that wouldn't have allowed much else. The internet blossomed and exploded under his Admin.
Then Bernie must be worse, because he lost to him!Quote:
Biden was merely a shitty candidate the first three times he tried (and failed) to be President. Now he's s a shitty candidate who is mentally incapable of doing the job. We already had one of those in 1980 and another one in office right now, and look at how well that worked out.
And the pussy Bernie-shits wanna burn this country down and hand over the Supreme Court religious fascists almost as much as Trump does! Yeah there is a lot fucked up, but was Bernie gonna do about it? Appeal to neonazis?Quote:
Bidenbots use the excuse that they want the country to get back to "normal". But there was nothing fucking NORMAL about this country prior to November 2016. A NORMAL country would never have an election between a goddamned circus clown & a corporate whore who blatantly stole her party's primary. And certainly wouldn't double down on another shitty primary stealing useless candidate after LOSING to the circus clown. You want "back to normal", give Jimmy Carter his second term, because he was the last "normal" President. Yeah, he's fucking 95 years old, but even after a bout with brain cancer he's a Hell of a lot more mentally functional than Biden & the Orange fuck combined.
Oh FFS I like Carter too, but he's 800 years old! You keep referring the the Thomas fiasco, what do you think will happen if Trump wins reelection, something the apathetic bitch-Bernie kids want, the ones that cant be fucking bothered to vote to begin with, much less affect their Socialist Panacea!!Quote:
Jimmy doesn't want the job, of course. Who could blame him. I don't envy any President who has to clean up this mess. The problem is, the mess that needs to be cleaned up didn't begin with this pandemic, and it didn't begin in November 2016. And you can't fucking attempt to clean up a mess if you don't even know where the mess came from, much less if you're an active part of creating the mess in the first place. Which the PNAC signing, criminal bank cartel enabling, Clarence Thomas loving Joe Biden most definitely was.
Not that Trump is all that popular or liked but it’s pretty clear Joe has dementia. People don’t want a president who is losing his mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by FORD
As far as presidents go we haven’t had a good one for decades. You would have to go back to JFK for a decent Democrat president and to Eisenhower for a decent Republican one.
Making blanket statements again. The world to you is about as sophisticated as a football game. Pick a team and be loyal to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
They voted for Trump you knob! How is it "pretty clear" Biden has dementia? Is you fucking fantasy daughter a pretend-neurologist too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro Express
Right, the fantasy decades you were only 30 in...Quote:
As far as presidents go we haven’t had a good one for decades. You would have to go back to JFK for a decent Democrat president and to Eisenhower for a decent Republican one.
Yes, you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro Express
Yeah but they are pretty fucking sophisticated...Quote:
The world to you is about as sophisticated as a football game. Pick a team and be loyal to it.
LOL Ford's jerkoff videos by guys that don't bother to vote...Quote:
Originally Posted by FORD
Bottom line is this: Republicans keep getting infinitely worse. Reagan was worse than Nixon. Poppy was Reagan without the "nice old grandpa" facade. Chimpy made his old man look competent. And we all know what the Orange Asshole has done.
Problem is, the so-called "Democrats" act like Republicans, which only encourages the next batch of Republicans to go further to the extreme right. Followed by the fake "Democrats" trying to keep up with their rightward slide.
Do you really want to see what "worse than Cheeto" looks like?? Put Biden or some other useless fuck in office, and that's exactly what you will get in 2024. If we aren't all dead from Cheetoplague by then. Or by whatever World War III scenario happens due to Biden's mental incompetence.
Back when you had Eisenhower Republicans vs FDR Democrats, both groups could at least make credible claims of representing the people. Now the "Democrats" are to the right of Reagan, and the Republicans are literally John Bircher Fascists - the very people whom Eisenhower himself characterized as "their numbers are negligible and they are stupid". Of course they're still stupid, but their numbers are sadly no longer negligible. And the "democrats" trying to chase them down the right wing rabbit hole really need to remember what Harry Truman said, even before Ike's comments. Given the choice between a Republican and a "Democrat" that acts like a Republican, the voters will choose the Republican.
And that's a lesson this country should have learned after the 1992 election, if not before. Certainly after the Likud boat anchor of Joe Lieberman made the 2000 election close enough to be stolen. Definitely after putting the shittiest candidate in history up against a circus clown - and LOSING to that demented Orange fuck - in 2016.
When the fuck does it end??