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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58754

    Klansman Keebler Elf Uses Scripture to Justify Separating Families




    Jeff Sessions cites Romans 13, a Bible passage used to defend slavery, in defense of family separations
    Julie Zauzmer and Keith McMillan
    washingtonpost.com
    June 15 at 5:49 AM


    Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Thursday used a Bible verse to defend his department’s policy of prosecuting everyone who crosses the border from Mexico, suggesting that God supports the government in separating immigrant parents from their children.

    “I would cite you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13, to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained the government for his purposes,” Sessions said during a speech to law enforcement officers in Fort Wayne, Ind. “Orderly and lawful processes are good in themselves. Consistent and fair application of the law is in itself a good and moral thing, and that protects the weak and protects the lawful.”

    Government officials occasionally refer to the Bible as a line of argument — take, for instance, the Republicans who have quoted 2 Thessalonians (“if a man will not work, he shall not eat”) to justify more stringent food stamps requirements.

    But the verse that Sessions cited, Romans 13, is an unusual choice.

    “There are two dominant places in American history when Romans 13 is invoked,” said John Fea, a professor of American history at Messiah College in Pennsylvania. “One is during the American Revolution [when] it was invoked by loyalists, those who opposed the American Revolution.”

    The other, Fea said, “is in the 1840s and 1850s, when Romans 13 is invoked by defenders of the South or defenders of slavery to ward off abolitionists who believed that slavery is wrong. I mean, this is the same argument that Southern slaveholders and the advocates of a Southern way of life made.”

    In May, Sessions announced a zero-tolerance policy in which the Justice Department would begin prosecuting everyone who crosses the Southwest border. Part of the policy shift meant that migrants traveling with children or unaccompanied minors end up detained instead of released; U.S. immigration law charges adults with a crime, but not the children, which means they’re held separately.

    The Associated Press cited U.S. Customs and Border Protection figures from two weeks in May in which more than 650 children were separated from parents. Reports from the same month that the government lost track of 1,475 children sparked a national outcry; those reports were later disputed.

    Sessions has said “we’ve got to get this message out” that asylum seekers or anyone else immigrating through unofficial means is not given immunity. He appealed to “church friends” later in Thursday’s speech in Fort Wayne, emphasizing that non-citizens who enter the United States illegally are breaking the law.

    On the same issue, other religious groups and individuals have cited the Bible as well, to take the opposite side.

    “Overwhelmingly, Scripture causes families to be kept together,” said Gabriel Salguero, president of the National Latino Evangelical Coalition. “Overwhelmingly Scripture causes us to defend families. As Evangelicals, we have a doctrine to be a pro-family-values people, you know. The Bible calls us to be pro-family, and I personally find it deeply lamentable that we are separating children from their parents at the border or anywhere.”

    Likewise, on Thursday afternoon, the Migrants and Refugees Section at the Vatican tweeted a verse of Deuteronomy:

    “The Bible teaches that God ‘loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing. And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt’ (Deuteronomy 10:18-19).” -Pope Francis
    At a meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops on Wednesday, the nation’s Catholic leaders strongly condemned the administration’s immigration policies as immoral, with one bishop going so far as to suggest that Catholics who help carry out the Justice Department’s policies are violating their faith and perhaps should be denied Communion.

    White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said during a briefing Thursday that she hadn’t seen Sessions’s comments, but she backed his line of thinking.

    “I can say that it is very biblical to enforce the law. That is actually repeated a number of times throughout the Bible,” she said. “It’s a moral policy to follow and enforce the law.”

    Fea, the American history professor, said that after the Civil War, historians don’t see many references to Romans 13 because the essence of the passage — submission to authority — is regarded as un-American.

    “America was built and born on rebellion and a sort of radical resistance to authority,” Fea said. “Whenever Romans 13 was used in the 18th and the 19th century — and Sessions seems to be doing the same thing, so in this sense there is some continuity — it’s a way of manipulating the scriptures to justify your own political agenda.”

    The chapter itself can be interpreted in varying ways.

    “Romans 13 says that the purpose of government is to pursue what is good, and it says that the government should not be a terror for those who are doing good,” said Matthew Soerens, U.S. director of church mobilization for World Relief, the humanitarian arm of the National Association of Evangelicals.

    “You cannot read Romans 13 without reading Romans 12,” Salguero said, pointing to the prior chapter, which in part suggests that love must be the guide instead of evil.

    “Laws are good, and order is good, but that doesn’t mean that separating families from each other is a good law,” he said. “There are good laws, and there are bad laws, and separating families from each other is a bad policy. We’re not against the law, we’re against bad laws and bad policies.”

    Besides, as Soerens points out, the person in the Bible whom Sessions referenced ran afoul of the law.

    “The fact that the Apostle Paul, who wrote Romans, wrote several epistles from jail suggests that he was occasionally on the wrong side of an unjust law,” Soerens said.

    The evangelical polling group Barna found that evangelical Christians’ attitudes toward immigration seem to be warming somewhat. In 2016, Barna found that 42 percent of evangelicals agreed with the statement “We allow too many immigrants into the country,” compared with 30 percent of American adults overall. By the next year, just 23 percent of adults overall and 31 percent of evangelicals agreed.
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  • FORD
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    • Jan 2004
    • 58754

    #2
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    • Nitro Express
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      • Aug 2004
      • 32794

      #3
      Sessions is a joke. Someone has major dirt on him because he's a do nothing Attorney General. I think more dirt than being a bigot in his younger years. Maybe Sessions likes little boys.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • FORD
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        • Jan 2004
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        #4
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        • FORD
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          • Jan 2004
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          #5
          Willie Nelson: 'Christians should be up in arms' over Trump family-separation policy

          Willie Nelson: 'Christians should be up in arms' over Trump family-separation policy
          By Justin Wise
          TheHill.com
          06/15/18 05:31 PM EDT

          Willie Nelson, an outspoken critic of President Trump, is slamming the administration's zero-tolerance policy separating families at the U.S.-Mexico border, saying "Christians everywhere should be outraged."

          "What's going on at our southern border is outrageous," Nelson told Rolling Stone. "Christians everywhere should be up in arms. What happened to 'Bring us your tired and weak and we will make them strong?' This is still the promise land."

          Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced in early May that the Department of Homeland Security would separate undocumented children crossing the U.S.-Mexico border from the adults accompanying them before those adults are prosecuted. The policy is carried out even if a migrant is seeking asylum.

          It has resulted in a sharp influx of children being separated from families at the border in recent weeks. The Associated Press reported on Friday that nearly 2,000 children were separated from their parents from April 19 through May 31, according to figures obtained from the Department of Homeland Security.

          The overflow of children has also led the administration to begin erecting a "tent city" in Tornillo, Texas that will hold 450 beds for children.

          Democratic lawmakers have forcefully condemned the policy, which Trump on Friday blamed on Democrats.

          Nelson, who grew up just five hours from the Mexican border, has aimed harsh criticism at Trump. In January, he announced his new album would feature a Trump-inspired song titled, “Delete and Fast-Forward."

          Nelson also has previously advocated for pro-immigration policies. He told Rolling Stone in 2014 that helping immigrant children is "a good opportunity for us to show a little bit of humanitarianism and take care of those kids."
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          • Nitro Express
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            • Aug 2004
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            #6


            Saw Willie once. He stunk of BO and his boots were dirty.
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            • Nickdfresh
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              • Oct 2004
              • 49125

              #7
              Maybe Sessions and Trump wanna sell the children to pedophiles?

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              • FORD
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                • Jan 2004
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                #8
                Either that or Sessions is using them as slave labor in his hollow tree cookie factory.
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                • FORD
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                  #9
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                  • Seshmeister
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                    • Oct 2003
                    • 35157

                    #10
                    The defence I'm hearing from Christian acquaintances defending the stupidity of Romans 13, (which to me is just blatant do what I tell you shit coming from the powers involved in the creating of the Bible for Emperor Constantine), is that you need to read the preceding verse.

                    I'm really not convinced by that argument because even if it's meant to sort out the problem that according to Paul all Christians need to support their government even if it is vile cruel and 'evil', then it's very vague and unstated. If it was the word of god why is it either completely immoral or poorly communicated.
                    Last edited by Seshmeister; 06-17-2018, 11:46 PM.

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                    • Nitro Express
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                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32794

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      Maybe Sessions and Trump wanna sell the children to pedophiles?
                      Trump is going to put them to work building a wall. Pink Floyd can come out with a Trump version of their musical.
                      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                      • FORD
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                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58754

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nitro Express
                        Trump is going to put them to work building a wall. Pink Floyd can come out with a Trump version of their musical.
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                        • Nitro Express
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                          • Aug 2004
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                          #13
                          He's an aging golden boy who loves all sorts of powers. His kinky side likes Russian golden showers....
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • FORD
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                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58754

                            #14
                            Even Laura "Pickles" Bush herself is against this bullshit.....

                            ...nevermind the fact that there would be no refugees from Central or South America without the manipulations of that region by the BCE/CIA. You married into this shit Pickles, but thanks for your opinion, I guess.....

                            washingtonpost.com
                            Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
                            by Laura Bush
                            June 17 at 8:45 PM




                            On Sunday, a day we as a nation set aside to honor fathers and the bonds of family, I was among the millions of Americans who watched images of children who have been torn from their parents. In the six weeks between April 19 and May 31, the Department of Homeland Security has sent nearly 2,000 children to mass detention centers or foster care. More than 100 of these children are younger than 4 years old. The reason for these separations is a zero-tolerance policy for their parents, who are accused of illegally crossing our borders.

                            I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart.

                            Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso. These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history. We also know that this treatment inflicts trauma; interned Japanese have been two times as likely to suffer cardiovascular disease or die prematurely than those who were not interned.

                            Americans pride ourselves on being a moral nation, on being the nation that sends humanitarian relief to places devastated by natural disasters or famine or war. We pride ourselves on believing that people should be seen for the content of their character, not the color of their skin. We pride ourselves on acceptance. If we are truly that country, then it is our obligation to reunite these detained children with their parents — and to stop separating parents and children in the first place.

                            People on all sides agree that our immigration system isn’t working, but the injustice of zero tolerance is not the answer. I moved away from Washington almost a decade ago, but I know there are good people at all levels of government who can do better to fix this.

                            Recently, Colleen Kraft, who heads the American Academy of Pediatrics, visited a shelter run by the U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement. She reported that while there were beds, toys, crayons, a playground and diaper changes, the people working at the shelter had been instructed not to pick up or touch the children to comfort them. Imagine not being able to pick up a child who is not yet out of diapers.

                            Twenty-nine years ago, my mother-in-law, Barbara Bush, visited Grandma’s House, a home for children with HIV/AIDS in Washington. Back then, at the height of the HIV/AIDS crisis, the disease was a death sentence, and most babies born with it were considered “untouchables.” During her visit, Barbara — who was the first lady at the time — picked up a fussy, dying baby named Donovan and snuggled him against her shoulder to soothe him. My mother-in-law never viewed her embrace of that fragile child as courageous. She simply saw it as the right thing to do in a world that can be arbitrary, unkind and even cruel. She, who after the death of her 3-year-old daughter knew what it was to lose a child, believed that every child is deserving of human kindness, compassion and love.

                            In 2018, can we not as a nation find a kinder, more compassionate and more moral answer to this current crisis? I, for one, believe we can.
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                            • Seshmeister
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Oct 2003
                              • 35157

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nitro Express
                              Trump is going to put them to work building a wall. Pink Floyd can come out with a Trump version of their musical.
                              He kind of is.

                              The plan seems to be to steal the children of people who are already in a terrible situation and put them in cages until the Democrats agree to pay for his wall(with your money).

                              Is there not a point when people start to wonder if they are maybe the fucking bad guys in the story?

                              This is beyond viral in the rest of the world at the moment and is making Abu Ghraib look like a massive PR win for the USA.

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