Whatever that means ?? Huh ? What ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristy
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Whatever that means ?? Huh ? What ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristy
I would never do that to Jimmy. He's a true believer. Bought Aleister Crowley's house because he thought he could worship me easier from there. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d010.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Nitro Express
What is that line from Tombstone ? What is he mad at ? Being born ! Reminds me of Kristy. And I don't even know her. I hope this is the place she leaves all her anger. And is fine when she logs off. I leave mine with the boss !
Look, if you like having your homoerotic fixation on your pathetic pitiable pussy plagiarizing guitar player than great. I will never have any respect for that asshole. I hope he dies of an agonizing stroke soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by 78/84 guy
You really need to get laid more !Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristy
Oh it will be mine ! And I will send you a copy Kristy ! Lol.
Yup....I'll be picking that up ASAP!!!
Picked it up today............
BRILLIANT
Looks killer....great mix....
Not bad for a bunch of old farts!
No, I'm sure it's quite bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt White
No....I'm quite sure you're not!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristy
I'm sure I am.
Surely you can't be serious.
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Originally Posted by Zing!
Yes, I am serious ... and stop calling me Shirley.
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Nevermind, enjoy your Zep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zing!
exactly.................
And Hey! No Puffy Daddy Diddy Do Wha Diddy!!!
I don't believe this...the entire first DVD disc is up and available (as of 1:58PM, EST) at Youtube. :yikes:
"Sign of the Times"Quote:
Originally Posted by chefcraig
I too busy lookin' for easter eggs!!!
Great DVD....obviously they show their age...ALL of em'....but, it is what it is.......
Much like VAN HALEN..............enjoy the fact that they are out playing that GRATE music we love...........they'll be gone soon enough........................
And if I hear ONE more cork-sucker complain aboot DAVE's vocals......PLANT doesn't even bother trying to be the old screecher of old...that ship sailed decades ago....Jimmy & John Paul probably have arthritis........still, they flash the old "Hammer of the Gods"
I find it had to believe you mean that ! Lol. Blu-Ray looks fantastic. Sounds better. If it's the last time they play they did it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristy
Man this sounds badass on bluray. What a great day for Led Zeppelin fans. Just seeing the old Les Paul up close in such high definition is stunning.
I had a VERY long car journey today and ended up cranking 'Remasters' for hours on end.
Man, there's so much stuff you forget about - 'Achilles Last Stand' is utterly remarkable.....
Probably the best song they wrote. Kashmir is close. The version from is show is killer.Quote:
Originally Posted by binnie
watched it yesterday, and was stunned how good they sounded especially Plant...if you didn't know who was on drums you would have thought it was bonzo himself instead of the kid....well done
Funny you say that. I listened too the cd's yesterday and thought this could be from the 80 tour we didn't get.
I dunno...I bought this thing Wednesday (two cds I'll never play, in order to get a DVD, swell deal http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smile...mileys-725.gif) and have watched it in increments.
What really strikes me the most is the whole "Wizard Of Oz" production quality of the damned thing. It's like they took and used as many camera angles possible in order to confuse your brain into believing you are seeing something truly magnificent, all the while making you wonder who the guy was beyond the curtain running things. And it certainly ain't the drummer. Jason Bonham's thudding noise simply doesn't have the lilt and swing of his father, and some of the tunes really suffer for all of his bashing and plodding. I found myself waiting for drum fills that never arrived, and feeling disoriented (let alone disappointed) at the same time.
And what is up with the ectoplasmic sludge covering Page's guitar on some of these tracks? Crap, I could have done a better mixing job myself using my cheap-assed Peavey modeling amp. (At least I can dial up the effects for Live At The Albert Hall 1970 easily enough.)
Honestly, this thing seems to be so much smoke and mirrors more than anything else. I felt the same way when I first viewed and heard the results five years ago, and the extensive repackaging/modifications made here have not changed my opinion all that much.
As a grand, final summation statement in testimony of a once great band, I truly feel the effort was unnecessary. People already had their boxed sets and DVDs, along with their memories. To me, this was an anticlimactic exercise, an ego-driven non-entity and about as worthwhile as putting lipstick on a pig.
As Bob Dylan once slyly noted, "Nothing was delivered."
I think you are reading a tad much into it. What does the editing of the film have to do with the playing ? Everyone wants Jason to be his dad. Hell even Plant did on this night. He is not his dad. Never was , never will be ! It was 3 guy's playing together to honor the guy that signed them 40 years ago. I don't think it was anything more. And the fact that they havent played since that night probobly makes it true. Shit some of it is brilliant. Kashmir sounds better than the album. For Your Life is really good. I mean give them a break. It's more authentic than any recent Stone's tour ! Oh if you thought it sucked 5 years ago why did you pay for it then ?
Because I'm an idiot. Not only was I caught up in the overwhelming rush of consumerism that goes with the vacuum of the holidays, I was honestly hoping to have my mind changed by the finished product. Instead, the results deepened my depression while simultaneously confirming my initial misgivings about the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by 78/84 guy
As for authenticity, comparing this little spectacle with a Rolling Stones rehash makes about as much sense as comparing apples and oranges. The fact is, "authenticity" in rock and roll went away around the time MTV came along, if not sooner. And if punk had not come along in 1976 or so, shaking things up (and knocking some of these super-fart bands out of their complacency), nobody would be paying attention now.
Look, I've been living and dying with these knuckleheads since around 1973, so I believe that as a result, I'm entitled to point out when the emperor is not wearing any clothes. Your mileage may vary.
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Yes, let's hope it is the last time they play together - EVER!Quote:
Originally Posted by 78/84 guy
I bought it because it was fun. And mostly good. I guess I'm entitled to think that.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefcraig
Can we do one of those with Krusty under it ?!
I'm not sure what people around here hate worse. Zeppelin breaking up and then doing a few gigs, or Kristy quitting the Army and coming back ? I what my vote is for.
You know, I have a lot of respect for what chef has said on various topics over the years, regardless of whatever the percentages of levels of agreement were.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefcraig
I got a dvd bootleg of the 2007 show within a few months of the performance as a bonus disc thrown in by someone I was trading with, basically a cut-and-paste of various cell phone shots that had been posted on youtube with audio that was rough in spots but overall listenable.
I think I'm just gonna stick with that.
It's always been a bone of contention with me that Zeppelin tends to tweak official live releases post-performance. Yeah, virtually everybody else has done it too, but...it's like, when I wanna watch Knebworth 1979 I usually throw in my full-length dvd boot of the second show taken direct from the video screen and soundboard feeds than bother with the tampered stuff that ended up on the 2003 dvd release. Same goes for 1975 Earl's Court. Zeppelin were shit-hot from 1969 to 1971 live. After that, they were spotty. Rather than put stuff out as-is, they diddle around with the performances far beyond adding some extra reverb to compensate for a dry live sound...they actually snip out individual bits of various songs and assemble them together to create a performance that never existed.
It's bullshit of the highest order, when the reality would be just as compelling to see/listen to.
Also, chef having mentioned the frequent cut shots from the multiple cameras reminds me of watching Shine A Light and wondering why in the fuck Scorsese found it necessary to have 18 (or whatever absurd amount it was) different cameras on the Strolling Bones and yet fail to use any one angle for more than ten consecutive seconds at one time. I guess the notion is that a bunch of ADD editing will mask the fact that there really wasn't much going on.
Fuck it. I'll save my money and stick with my freebie LZ 2007 bootleg. It's like Zeppelin are only brave enough to release live stuff they can enhance after the fact, but when it comes to gigs like Live Aid or Seattle 1977 where the results were less than Hammer Of The Gods spectacular (or some such drivel), the band's collective nutsacks shrivel up.
The thing is Terry, I believe the video treatment is being used to cover up the howlingly awful mistakes that take place in just about every song included. For instance, take "Nobody's Fault But Mine", which is an utter disaster. Page fumbles repeatedly with whatever effects pedal he is using, and seems to lose control of it altogether during the intro when he and Plant perform in unison. When Plant takes his harp solo, the inexplicable takes place: The band loses the plot entirely! At one point, Page simply STOPS PLAYING, exchanging confused looks with Jones, who ALSO STOPS PLAYING. The group stumbles through this part of the song, at the end of which Plant sings the title in such a sheepish manner that you gather the impression it's his way of offering up an apology. And Page's solo section fares not much better, as he seems to have completely forgotten his lines, and Jason Bonham's drumming has little if anything to do with the original take.
Yet you get all of this sped-up, interwoven video plastered into your retinas, so that if you aren't really paying attention to the soundtrack, you'll believe you saw something Earth-shattering. And as you astutely pointed out, it is absolute bullshit.
I'll stick with my vinyl boots from pre-1973. Yeah, the sound quality leaves a bit to be desired, yet at least what I'm hearing displays a certain level of honesty and integrity, minus the chicanery of video. (Which in fact, not only killed the radio star, yet pretty much destroyed music altogether.)
The thing of it is...I do like Led Zeppelin. Sometimes it's as if (and Led Zeppelin are far from being the only vastly successful rock group guilty of this) the members of Zeppelin actually start to believe all of the rock press media hype and superfan homages directed their way...then they start having to cut corners and fudge the results in order to live up to a legend that was based in part on bullshit to begin with.
In addition, it gets kind of pathetic watching aging acts trying to get it up and compete with or even try and live up to the standards they were once capable of...and listening to desperate fans try and convince themselves and others the group is just as good as they ever were...I mean, I can understand the rationale given the relative talent levels of today's acts: that longing for a degree of authenticity and competence that just really isn't there in contemporary rock music and having to look backwards or hang onto whatever scraps of ability these rock star geezers have managed to not piss away in a self-indulgent haze of success...
I mean, case in point for anyone who thinks Led Zeppelin in the 1970s must have been THE greatest live experience ever - go get yourself a copy of Seattle 1977...shit, just get the audio alone and try and sit and listen to nearly 3 hours of self-indulgent, drugged-out twaddle...like, if I were at that show zonked out on Quaaludes, I can't imagine having the physical strength to stay awake 3 minutes into John Paul Jones tinkering around on a piano for 15 minutes during No Quarter...sometimes these legends don't really bear up to closer scrutiny...
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Originally Posted by Terry
It's no new news coming from me on how much I detest this band. Zeppelin weren't so much a band (as people believe them to be) as they were a business model of what not to do in the long run. Page may be regarded as being some sort of "guitar god":lmao: when to me, his real talent was being the limey version of bad David Geffen. Page not only knew how to draw up the blueprints of blatant plagiarism, but the way in which to sell the Zep myth that they were somehow bigger than they actually were. I won't reilterate just how terrible their albums were recorded here (so much of that dead horse I can beat) but that Page made his money feeding his fanbase of strict diet of that bullshit. All of his self serving shamanic acts, his ridiculous astrology dragon pants, ventures into Satanism, his heroin dabbling, Plant's inane Hobbit-esque 'Hammer Of the Gods' lyrics, was the only original platform of shameless self-promotion they ever had. Problem was Page couldn't keep it up for long, sacrificing the music for the myth and the hardcore Zep fans suffered.
I've seen (and unfortunately heard) their live playing and much of it is sloppy, unrehearsed muck. You can put some of that blame on technical reasons such as the archaic stage monitoring/sound of the day but truth is, Zep had no live chemistry interaction between unlike other power quartets of that era such as The Who. Page's guitar fuck ups were covered up largely by Bonhams bombastic drumming, even his solo playing was derivative repetition. It seem with your reviewing of this new live DVD, not much of that has changed. It comes as no surprise why Plant wants to distance himself from this Zep apologue opting to do his best to get his dick wet on female Americana singers more than half his age.
Part of the initial attraction I had to Zeppelin had to do with when I got into them. I was in my mid-teens when Hammer of the Gods came out, so obviously I was too young to have ever seen them play live. Also, this was an age when live bootlegs weren't as readily available as they were now, so basically if one wanted to hear Led Zeppelin play live The Song Remains The Same was it. Although even a teenager could figure out that the film had many instances of the soundtrack not synching up with the footage, I was still young enough to believe that bands put out live recordings that were accurate representations of what the concerts were actually like.
I was also young enough back in the mid-1980s to even find some of Page's dabblings with occult sorcery to be a "cool, far out" rock star-type thing to have done...along with all of Bonham's drinking and the excessive cocaine and heroin use of various members of the band. There was something about getting into Zeppelin in the early to mid 1980s...where the band weren't played non-stop on MTV (outside of the odd showing of TSRTS) and not even played THAT much on radio outside of the usual overplayed FM tracks...and prior to Live Aid there was seemingly no chance of the band getting back together and seemingly less chance of even hearing any of those live shows...basically, one had to use their imagination.
With the 80s coming to a close, I saw Zeppelin bootlegs (and, indeed, bootlegs of all kinds) becoming more readily available and affordable (I mean, in the early to mid 1980s you'd run into the odd indie record store offering to sell the 1977 tour Destroyer album on vinyl for upwards of $100 - too fucking much), and as these live shows surfaced it became clear that Zeppelin were not a consistently great band live as their career wound on. It did also become clear that as the history and sources of Zeppelin's influences were uncovered that the band did outright nick quite a bit of stuff...that for those ignorant of such things Zeppelin might have seemed so inspirational and original...but the reality was...not so much.
However, I do enjoy the band. It has been quite a long time since I've approached anything resembling a Zeppelin acolyte, although I don't quite wish them the level of ill-will Kristy does:winkglasses:.
I do think Plant has a point and is right to resist any sort of a long-term reunion billed under the name Led Zeppelin, where the aim is to slavishly attempt to re-create the "Led Zeppelin Experience" for a cash-grab...unlike Page who clearly wants this to happen.
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Originally Posted by Terry
It was the drugs that fucked them over in the end. There was nothing "cool" about Zeppelin except that they were every young boy's wet dream (and for some on this forum, they still are). I cannot stand their music and never will and what's really sad about them is how their myth is outliving what they performed.
Yeah, we get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristy