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    Thumbs down For the Moment, Mrs. Clinton Looks Like the Candidate to Beat

    November 4, 2004


    2008 CONTENDER

    By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ

    ASHINGTON, Nov. 3 - The defeat of John Kerry has left Hillary Rodham Clinton as one of the most powerful elected officials in the national Democratic Party - as well as the top prospect for the presidential nomination in 2008, according to party officials and strategists.

    Many Democrats have been saying for months that a Kerry victory on Tuesday would have forced Mrs. Clinton to put off any plans she had to run for president in 2008 because Mr. Kerry would, as the incumbent, be in a strong position to win the party's nomination for a second term.

    But now, even this soon after Mr. Kerry's loss, many Democrats in and out of Washington are mentioning Mrs. Clinton, the junior senator from New York, as the leading contender for the party's nomination in 2008, citing her immense popularity among Democrats, her fund-raising prowess and her formidable political operation, which was employed, unsuccessfully, in the Kerry presidential bid.

    "Hillary now becomes a natural rallying point for the party," said Hank Sheinkopf, a Democratic consultant in New York. "Hillary has a national constituency, a top-tier political organization and shrewd political skills."

    "The party will be looking to her," said Chris Lehane, who was a senior adviser to Mr. Kerry early in his campaign. "Hillary is uniquely positioned."

    But that said, Democratic officials cautioned that it would be unwise to count out the bench of potential Democratic stars, including Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, Gov. Tom Vilsack of Iowa and, of course, John Edwards, Mr. Kerry's running mate.

    More than that, Mrs. Clinton's advisers privately maintained on Wednesday that she has a far bigger hurdle to surmount before she can seriously contemplate any presidential candidacy: her own re-election back home in New York in 2006. Her aides and other strategists argue that she must win her re-election decisively - not merely eke out a victory - because it would be futile for her to begin a national campaign with a shaky base of support back home.

    "She knows that she has to keep her eye on the ball, and the ball is 2006," said one adviser to Mrs. Clinton who spoke on condition of anonymity. "She's methodical and meticulous, and so she is going to focus on what's in front of her right now."

    As things stand, Mrs. Clinton has done a notable job enhancing her popularity among New Yorkers in the last four years, with 61 percent supporting her in September, compared with 38 percent in February 2001, according to a recent Quinnipiac University poll.

    But at the same time, Mrs. Clinton and her advisers have had to contend with a stark fact of life for her: there are large numbers of voters who simply do not like her, no matter what she does.

    Roughly one of three New York voters surveyed have told pollsters for Quinnipiac University that they have an unfavorable opinion of her. (This core of seemingly implacable critics is a major reason that some of her advisers had serious doubts about her presidential prospects this year.)

    Mrs. Clinton's unfavorable ratings make her an enticing target for Republicans, who can count on the so-called Hillary haters to give momentum to any campaign they decide to mount against her. Indeed, some Democrats believe that one big-name Republican giving serious thought to challenging her in 2006 is Gov. George E. Pataki, a three-term incumbent who has made inroads among Democratic voters and who is up for re-election that year.

    In discussing her viability as a candidate for national office, Mrs. Clinton's advisers note that over the last four years she has been able to turn so-called undecided voters into admirers. The number of people who have told Quinnipiac pollsters, for example, that they are undecided about her has dropped - to 7 percent in September from 33 percent in February 2001 - even as her approval numbers have climbed.

    "Look, there's a core of people who are not going to vote for her, no matter what she does," said the Clinton adviser who asked not to be identified. "But in the last few years she has done a remarkable job of winning over swing voters."

    Mrs. Clinton may face another obstacle if she decides to seek her party's nomination: The last thing the Democrats may be looking for right now is a politically polarizing Northeastern senator who is regarded as a liberal in many political quarters.

    But her aides point out that since arriving in the Senate, Mrs. Clinton has staked out moderate-to-conservative positions on a host of issues, from welfare to the war in Iraq, much to the chagrin of her liberal supporters and the satisfaction of some Republicans.

    Democrats say that the role Mrs. Clinton plays in national politics will hinge in large part on what President Bush does over the next four years. As perhaps the best-known Democrat in the Senate, she is naturally poised to become a spokeswoman for the party under a Republican administration that is expected to deal with a host of politically charged issues, like any Bush nominations to the Supreme Court.

    "Hillary Clinton is the one who the party, the press and the public will look to to engage and respond to the Bush administration," said Mr. Lehane, the Democratic strategist.

    But Mr. Richardson, the governor of New Mexico, says he thinks that the Democratic Party, in seeking to rebuild itself in the next few years, should also be looking outside Washington for its new generation of leaders.

    "The power center of the party has to be shared," he said. "It can't be just Congressional Democrats or Senate Democrats. It has to include Democratic governors who are being elected in non-Democratic strongholds like the West and the South."

    Finally, Democrats say that a danger for Mrs. Clinton is that if she is seen as the top contender at this point, her Democratic rivals have nearly four years to try to undercut her.

    But it is not just Democrats who will look to undermine her if she widely perceived as a leading presidential contender, political analysts say. It is also Republicans, particularly those in New York, who are certainly going to argue during her re-election campaign in 2006 that she is simply using the state as a launching pad for her national ambitions.

    "If she runs for re-election in New York, that will bring the inevitable question of whether she will serve out her full term in the Senate," said one person who is close to the Clintons.



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    Not gonna happen.

    DEAN/OBAMA '08!!
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    Didn't read the article so not sure if this was mentioned.........


    Democratic nominee should be Bill Richardson, he'd stands the best chance of winning. Perhaps Obama as VP.

    Republican ticket - Guliani / McCain

    Next President and VP - Guliani / McCain
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    Dean will be a forgotten memory by the time the next one rolls around. He's yesterday's news.
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    Can't we get Bill out of mothballs?
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    Oh yeah, stay tuned for 4 years of the packaging of Hillary...

    Rudy/McCain (in either order) is a strong ticket, IMO...
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    Originally posted by FORD
    Not gonna happen.

    DEAN/OBAMA '08!!
    FUCK YEAH!
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    Originally posted by ELVIS
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    As a BCE operative, I can assure you that Jeb already has Florida, Texas, and Ohio in his back pocket... tack on an as-yet-named up and coming young Republican rising star as his running mate, and there you have it. lol

    If the Dems want the White House, they better hope Ms. Rodham and Osama aren't the ticket... way to liberal... wouldn't win one vote west of the Hudson or east of Lake Tahoe...



    Sieg Oil! (The November Surprise is that crude is dropping like a rock, and gas for my SUV and Mustang should fall back to the $1.50 range for premium by year's end.... )...

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    That'd be great if Hilary ran, everyone's opinions on her are rock solid and she has no chance of winning.
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    Delusional Dems

    Wake the fuck up, people! Hilary and Obama? There's no way a woman and a (half) black man will EVER get the WHITE House!

    RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!

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    no youre all wrong...Richards/Jagger '08
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    Originally posted by VHII
    no youre all wrong...Richards/Jagger '08
    If it was Constitutionally possible, it would have my vote. Hell, they only tour every 4 years anyway, why not make a campaign out of it?

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    The REAL ticket

    How about Roth/Van Halen '08?

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    Originally posted by FORD
    Not gonna happen.

    DEAN/OBAMA '08!!

    The swiftboat vet group has already started research and production of commercials of how and why Howard Dean avoided the draft.
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    If anyone gave a shit who did and didn't go to Vietnam, then an Idiot who deserted the Texas National Guard wouldn't have stood a chance against three Vietnam vets.

    The Swift Boat Liars 15 minutes of fame are over.

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    FUCK YOU, FORD

    You little CENSORING fucking pussy ass bitch.

    Shut this one down, FAG.
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    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    The swiftboat vet group has already started research and production of commercials of how and why Howard Dean avoided the draft.
    likely heavy on the production and light on the research
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    Originally posted by FORD
    The Swift Boat Liars 15 minutes of fame are over.
    So are Dean's. And there is no way in hell any guy that with a name like Obama is going to be elected in the next ten years.

    And as for Clinton, I would love to see her run. The lectorial beating she'd receive would make Kerry look like he actually came off easy in this election.
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    Re: The REAL ticket

    Originally posted by Switch84
    How about Roth/Van Halen '08?
    now there's a winning ticket!
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    PATRICK BUCHANAN / BILL O'REILLY 2008

    "CRUSH THE COMMIES"

    Bwahahahahahaa!!!!


    No, but, seriously I'd vote for Jeb Bush / Rudy Guliani

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    HA HA!!!

    Bring that cunt on!

    If a liberal Kerry couldn't gain conservative votes there's no way in HELL that ULTRA liberal slut from New York can!

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    Originally posted by Catfish
    HA HA!!!

    Bring that cunt on!

    If a liberal Kerry couldn't gain conservative votes there's no way in HELL that ULTRA liberal slut from New York can!

    Correction, Cat Baby! she's that "Ultra liberal CARPET-BAGGING slut from New York!" She dared not run in her homestate of Illinois...they didn't WANT HER!


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    hillary will be a strong candidate in '08, i dont like her but she could easily win and would beat rudy without a doubt. i think rudy's days as an elected official ended when he cheated on his wife in office and she got the mayor's mansion. id like to see mccain, i thought the bush people questioning his military duty in the primaries 4 years ago was gross...but hey, it worked twice. hillary would have beaten rudy when they were running against each other in NY before he dropped out
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    Hillary would NOT beat Rudy without a doubt. She doesn't have Slick Willy's charisma or appeal. She also got the Clintons into most of the scandals you have read about from her days as an attorney.

    Nobody considered that Hillary would have beaten Giuliani easily. In fact, it was shaping up to be quite a slugfest.

    As for Howard Dean...YEARGH!!!
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    one of the most annoying things that ever happened to me was her getting really out there in public opinion. Why? Because whenever someone learns my name, they equate me with her and that shapes their opinion of me. And things didn't get better with her flocking to New York
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    disagree with you warham....i was living in Central NY at the time and outside of NY City, rudy really was getting beat up in the pre-election polls.

    dont get me wrong, i think she sucks but i think she gets elected before someone who admitedly cheated on his wife and lost the mayor's mansion in the divorce. women will rally and eat that shit up if rudy is running, which i highly doubt he will. i really think politically he is finished.

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    Why would women run to Hillary? What does she offer married housewives?

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    no woman president before, impowering for there to be one. career oriented woman proving just as good as a man....blah blah blah, all that happy horseshite. has the morals to believe in the sanctity (tity he he) of marriage to stand by her husband after he cheated on her...and all that other lifetime bullcrap

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    She would mobilize a lot of voters, both for and against...

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    Originally posted by EmpyreLounge44
    disagree with you warham....i was living in Central NY at the time and outside of NY City, rudy really was getting beat up in the pre-election polls.
    Not to sound snotty, altho I can generally be taken that way--

    The state generally leans overall to how the city votes.

    That and not all women would support her. While my gender would love a woman in power there, we still have to agree with her on issues 'n all that type of stuff. With how we are currently, I don't think her victory would be so easy.

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    No offense here, but we don't need someone in office that is moody, irrational, vindictive, and for one week out of every month goes through a menstruation cycle.

    Go ahead and send Hillary up, we'll take her down no matter who the fuck she mobilizes.
    The Republicans have some very promising candidates to choose from for '08 already.

    In fact, I don't see the Left getting the White House back in '08 at all, especially if Clinton is the bearer of all your hopes and dreams in a candidate.
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    agree with saying the city controls the vote but rudy sure wasnt doing well outside of the city back then and was behind hillary, by so much as 10%, in the polls before he left the race cause of nut cancer.

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    who is lined up for the republicans? i'd like to see McCain, but his shot may be gone. I dont think Rudy is an option as I said before in here. Who else is there?

    I'm not a hillary fan or even a democrat, i just think she would be pretty hard to take down

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    i thought it was prostate?

    Would be interestnig to see how things changed now after 9/11.


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    your right, it was prostate...altough there were tons of reports then saying that the controversy of his affair is what led him to drop out, as they caught the caner very early and didnt think it would get in the way of running for office. who knows, he only one who knows

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    Originally posted by EmpyreLounge44
    agree with saying the city controls the vote but rudy sure wasnt doing well outside of the city back then and was behind hillary, by so much as 10%, in the polls before he left the race cause of nut cancer.
    I don't remember a 10% lead...

    I know he was getting shit about releasing records on some guy that was killed by a cop at the time, but 10%? Especially in republican upstate? Was the Air Force One listening tour that successful?

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    is that the guy who was shot 21 times or something like that that led to that bruce springsteen song?

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    i don't think so, i think the one i was thinking of was in harlem, and the 41shots guy was in the bronx??? not positive...

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