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    I must say I've been most impressed by Kevin Jones the last three weeks...

    Although Arizona isn't that good, he had 196 yards and a TD today.

    Detroit might actually have a chance at that wild card after Minnesota lost to the Bears today!
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    Don't worry...Alinchainz will be posting here...

    lmfao...if I don't delete it first...
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    LMFAO, Lions chatter......

    Have at it fellas....
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    more like chattering teeth...lmfao...

    I like the Lions...their future looks bright...not sold on Harrington though...

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    Originally posted by POJO_Risin
    Don't worry...Alinchainz will be posting here...

    lmfao...if I don't delete it first...
    At least I get one post in then.

    We'll keep it rolling Warham ... They played pretty well today, got breaks they normally don't.

    Kevin Jones finally getting a chance.

    The offensive line will have to be addressed in the off-season, maybe another LB.

    Harrington will get next season to prove it.

    Charles Rogers may not ever stay healthy, so here is the first vote for trying to grab Braylon Edwards.
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    Well...let me say this...

    They oughta sign some one (not McMahon) who can take over or push Harrington...because he plays like hes running around on eggshells...

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    If Harrington can be consistent, they'll be alright.

    If they can get Rogers back next year, they'll be set at the skill positions. Don't know if Corey will be back...hope so.

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    Well...I doubt they'll look to a receiver in the draft...

    I still think they think Rogers will be healthy...and it's still possible...we'll see...

    If Rogers is healthy...with Williams and Jones...

    and a consistent Harrington...

    many...talk about skill positions...

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    Locking up Shaun Rogers in the off-season is going to take major coin.

    Detroit is in excellent shape with the cap, so we should be able to add FA's also.

    Boss Bailey being out this season has been a big hole on our defense.

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    Detroit might want to talk to San Diego as they're going to have to commit to one QB and let the other go. Obviously Rivers hasn't done anything in the NFL though.

    Actually you gotta think that a LOT of teams will be talking to San Diego, starting with the likes of Miami and Chicago.
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    I'd rather Detroit take a shot at Brees if they are going to get involved. Chicago might not be ready to give up on Rex Grossman, but then again, Lovie Smith inherited him, he didn't draft him.

    You never know. Going to be some vets alvailable this off season too.

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    Just nice to see an actual RUNNING GAME in DETROIT again!
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    I was soo goddamned angry on Sunday. That had to be the angriest I've been since Detroit lost to the Eagles in the '95 playoffs.

    I'm not one to make blind leaps but Joey Harrington should be immediately benched for the remainder of his career. The Lions could have EASILY won that game against Green Bay. All they had to do was score two fucking field goals in the second half and it would have been over. Goood fucking grief!

    Well, at least we finally have a legitimate successor to Barry Sanders. Now we just need a fucking quarterback.

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    Streets dropped an easy one, he has been nothing since getting here.

    Shaun Rogers did not help us none whatsoever with his stupid penalties. The line is shaky where we thought it would be a strength.

    Joey used to get rid of it, now he gets sacked. Backus I thought might be a solid tackle, but he has slid back in his play this year also.

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    Joey was 4-22 in that game. 4 out of 22??? It's unacceptable for a high school quarterback to have a completion percentage like that.

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    They didn't seem to know what to do with the wind either on offense.

    Throw when it's at your back, take your shots then.

    I don't think Mooch has much confidence in Joey at all.

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    Do you think they'd do any better with McMahon in there?

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    Personally, I do not. McMahon is mobile, and can run, but is terrible in the accuracy department.

    I think they'll give Joey one more season, his 4th. Brees is in his fourth, and they say it takes 3-4 years for a QB in the WCO.

    The line needs to step up, Joey gets hit and sacked more than ever. It seems like they can do one or the other and right now they seem to be ruyn blocking ok.

    I don't like Mooch's play calling either. He keep running that screen play and it never works, we simply don't look like we know what we're doing.

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    I haven't been able to watch the games. I just listen to them.

    Does Jones have the quickness off the snap and the lateral moves, or is he more of a north south runner who takes a few seconds to get to top speed?

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    He had trouble dancing too much before hitting the hole. He found that saving the moves until you are into the line or past it worked a helluva lot better.

    Patience letting some blocks form first too and then the burst at the right time.

    He should have had more playing time also, but it was probably his picking up the blitz and pass protection that kept him out. He should have had more carries after his bout with the ankle.

    He is running now like he has a chip on his shoulder, something to prove. He looks like the real deal.

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    Originally posted by Warham
    Do you think they'd do any better with McMahon in there?
    He has to be better, he's a 'Burgh QB.... It's in the genes bro...

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    Dude's never won at any level has he?

    I think he was 0-11 at Rutgers his senior year.

    His accuracy is atrocious. He can move though, no question.

    And he is starting to get some support from the players in the locker room I've read. He may play 2 of the last 3 so they can determine if they bring him back.

    I still think they'll give Harrington 1 more season.

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    Harrington comes through in the clutch and his best game as a pro, and a botched snap keeps them from overtime.

    The holder didn't have a shot at this thing and had to dig one out of the dirt earlier from the rookie snapper.

    Unreal man.

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    That's the spirit! Lions work OT on Christmas Eve

    BY CURT SYLVESTER, FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER


    On the day before Christmas, the Lions practiced.


    They were on the field Friday morning at 10:55 sharp, worked until approximately 12:15 p.m., took a break for lunch and then went into meetings.


    Even with a 5-9 record and only a remote mathematical chance of making the playoffs at the end of yet another disappointing season, they still have work to do.


    "I think the guys want to finish strong," coach Steve Mariucci said. "I think the guys want to compete, guys want to win a couple games here.


    "They want to feel good about all the hard work they put into this thing, way back when, in the off-season. It's been a lot of lifting, a lot of running, a lot of practice and we want to have something to show for it. And there's a lot of other things that motivate these guys, too."


    After four wins in the first six games, the Lions have gone steadily downhill, sinking to four games under .500, in need of victories against the Chicago Bears on Sunday at Ford Field and in the season finale Jan. 2 at Tennessee to avoid a fourth consecutive season with 10 losses or more.


    After the Lions had a strong off-season -- signing guard Damien Woody and cornerback Fernando Bryant, and drafting wide receiver Roy Williams, running back Kevin Jones and linebacker Teddy Lehman -- there was a feeling they would be ready to contend in 2005.


    With seven losses in the last eight games, there is less confidence that the Lions will be ready to compete for anything meaningful next season.


    But they had an urgency -- even on Christmas Eve -- to get the necessary work done in order to gain whatever they can Sunday. A win and a 6-9 record -- with the possibility of 7-9 -- are better than a loss and 5-10, with the likelihood of 5-11. That was their record last year in Mariucci's first season as coach.


    "It's progress in the win-loss column, but there's other ways to evaluate the team and it's development," Mariucci said.


    "But, yes, we'd like to do that, obviously."


    So they met, practiced and met some more in the afternoon before going home to enjoy the holiday with families and friends.


    Mariucci said they watched Friday's practice on film and had general review sessions, which they normally would have done this morning.


    Moving that work to Friday made for a longer day of preparation, but allowed the players and staff to spend Christmas Eve and most of Christmas at home.


    Most players understand they are obligated to play -- whether it's on Christmas Eve, Christmas Day or the day after Christmas.


    "It's different when you're 9 years old," defensive end Cory Redding said. "You don't understand. But once I got a little older and once you understood, you still have to go out and do your job, and make time to celebrate with your family."


    Redding said he had no problem mixing his football with his religious beliefs.


    "We know what Christmas is really for -- the birth of Christ in Bethlehem and all that," he said.


    "We incorporate Christ within our playing -- before the game and after the game. Even in your individual time, you see Shaun (Rogers) in the back of the end zone. He prays before the game. Certain guys in the locker room get together and pray."


    And if the game Sunday against the Bears works out the way they're hoping, they will give themselves the gift of victory.


    Quarterback Joey Harrington was in a giving mood as he wrapped up a week of practice and looked forward to the Chicago game.


    Harrington was asked if he were approaching the Bears with the same gunslinger attitude that got him a career-high 361 yards passing in last Sunday's 28-27 loss to Minnesota.


    "Sure," he said, laughing.


    "It's Christmas, I've got to spread some (passes) around, give the guys some presents, get 'em some touchdowns."


    NOTEBOOK: It appears cornerback Fernando Bryant will miss his third consecutive game with a sprained left ankle. He did not practice since testing the ankle Wednesday. ...


    Wide receiver Az-Zahir Hakim (groin) did not practice, but Mariucci hopes he will be ready to play Sunday. ...


    Wide receiver Tai Streets (knee) and defensive tackle Marcus Bell (ankle) practiced and are expected to play.

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    As long as Ford owns the team...they won't win shit!

    He's happy taking the money off of the rubes dumb enough to pay for a ticket and a beer at "his" house than he is concerned about a Lombardi Trophy. A stroll to cash his checks is enough for him.


    Some people NEVER learn. Even the greatest running back to play the game quit because of his tenure with that mediocre team. What does it take for the rest of you?
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    Case of drops besets Lions

    BY CURT SYLVESTER, FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

    By an unofficial count the Lions receivers dropped at least six passes Sunday.


    But the blame -- in the eyes of Lions fans and even coach Steve Mariucci -- always seems to fall on quarterback Joey Harrington.


    The fans -- perhaps because the Lions never trailed against Chicago -- actually took it easy on Harrington, even though he completed only 15 of 30 passes for 166 yards and threw an interception returned for a touchdown.


    But when Mariucci was asked about the drops -- including at least three by Roy Williams, two by Stephen Alexander and one by Az-Zahir Hakim -- his immediate response Monday was to focus on Harrington.


    "We can help that situation with a heck of a lot more work, obviously, by throwing the ball more accurately," Mariucci said.


    He also commented on improved pass protection for Harrington and improved routes by the receivers, but -- when pressed on the issue -- the coach's focus was clearly on Harrington.


    "What I'm saying is if a ball is down here, on a catch, that's a tougher catch than if it's right here," Mariucci said, demonstrating the difficulty of catching a ball thrown low as opposed to a throw that was on target at chest or shoulder level.


    "The location of the throw figures into the equation. Yes, we'd like to catch the ball more; yes, we'd like to throw more accurately. How do we throw the ball more accurately? It's not just the two that are playing catch, it's everything around them."


    In frequent cases during the season, Harrington's throws have been off-target, forcing receivers to extend or dive or leaving them in positions where they are vulnerable to hits from defensive players. If a receiver misses a throw under those circumstances, it is not considered a drop.


    But the six drops Sunday -- some feel there were seven or eight -- were balls that were catchable, balls that hit receivers in the hands or the chest or could be caught in stride with major yardage to be gained.


    Although Harrington said he had no quarrel with Mariucci's comments, Williams said the receivers -- himself included -- had to accept their share of the blame for the dropped balls.


    "I don't know what he's saying," Williams said, referring to Mariucci's comments. "It's my job to catch the football, my job to come off the line when I'm supposed to.


    "But the best thing about it is I've got another week to showcase what I can do. I want everybody to stay tuned for next week. There ain't going to be no more of that mess."


    Williams admitted that two dropped passes showed "a little lack of concentration, I guess you could say" -- but said the third was a result of losing the ball in the bright sun shining through the atrium at Ford Field.


    "It's fixable," he said. "I can catch the ball, I can catch the ball anywhere it's at. A receiver's not going to catch every single ball. He hopes and dreams he can catch every single ball, but the great ones drop them, you know. It's going to happen.


    "I know what kind of football player I am, what kind of hands I have and the ability I have to catch the football. It's not tough, it's just a little pigskin. I'm not going to make it a big deal. I've dropped the ball before, I've never dropped two in a game. That's the first time; that's my last time."


    Harrington, however, said Mariucci's demands for perfection were in line with the quarterback job description.


    "That's the job of being a quarterback," Harrington said. "I expect more of myself than Coach does. Everything that Coach says, I feel myself two or three times over.


    "This is the job of a quarterback -- to be perfect every time he goes out there. I know that's what both Coach and I expect."


    Some observers close to the team view Mariucci's comments as an ongoing indication that the coach is not entirely sold on his quarterback's ability and his long-term possibilities of directing the team to the playoffs and beyond.


    Harrington said he was not offended if he were not considered "Mariucci's guy" at this stage of his career.


    "Because if he thinks this is as good as I can be, then we've got different problems," Harrington said. "I know there is more I can and need to do for this football team, so I don't think of it as 'I haven't won him over.'


    "I just think both he and I think I can play better and need to play better for this team to get on the track that we want to be, because so much of an offense feeds off a quarterback. I think both of us just want me to play better."


    NOTEBOOK: With Sunday's win, Detroit clinched third place in the NFC North, meaning its 2005 schedule is nearly intact. The breakdown: Green Bay, Chicago, Minnesota, Atlanta, Carolina, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Arizona, at Green Bay, at Chicago, at Minnesota, at New Orleans, at Tampa Bay, at Cleveland, at Pittsburgh and at the New York Giants or Washington -- whichever finishes third in the NFC East.


    Contact CURT SYLVESTER at 313-222-2621 or sylvester@freepress.com.

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    All I have to say is that at least they don't play as piss poor as the Arizona Cardinals.
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    You gotta give Harrington 4 games...with healthy players...and see what happens...

    depend on the schedule...shoot for 3-1...and go from there...

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    I don't care if McMahon is the bastard child of Marino and Montana (which would be interesting), he's not the answer either...

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    Oh yeah. McMahon has never even been a good prospect, let alone a possible solution.

    His accuracy is awful, he hasn't won at any level, including an 0-11 his senior year at Rutgers.

    He is an athlete, no question, should look into a position change.

    I would be amazed if he is ever a starter anywhere.

    Drew Brees' success this season actually helped Harrington out in my mind, being his 4th year in the elague, next season being Joey's.

    He has just said he would restructure his deal, as long as there is an extension that goes with it.

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    I like Harrington...I think he could perform...he has a running game now...and next year he should have to fantastic receivers...so there SHOULD be no excuse for success...

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    I swear if Mr. Freakin' Spartan Charles Rogers gets hurt next season, I will personally drive a fucking U-Haul down there, pack up his brittle fucked up self and his shit and it's back to East Lansing.

    Having him out there alone would be a huge difference.

    Defense needs to stay healthy too.

    Joey up til this season, rarely sacked at all. This season, different story. Not all his fault I agree. Play calling too.

    Fucking Lions. Should finish somewhere in the top dozen picks in the next draft.

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    Well...will be curious to see where they go with it...I'm guessing D...or line help..but we'll see...

    Mariucci will be on the hot seat if they don't perform...

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    Safeties ... need them bad.

    Solid at D Line ... young but should be solid at LB.

    Secondary is and has been a bitch for awhile now.

    Overall health and a healthy Rogers with a little upgrade on the OL.

    Mooch will have some leeway here, cleaning up.

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    Williams, Jones give Lions hope

    BY CURT SYLVESTER, FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

    Roy Williams said it last August. And now -- with just one game remaining in his rookie season -- he sees no reason to change his tune.


    "There's no doubt about it," Williams said Wednesday. "This game is easy. It's just a fact of making plays. It happens sometimes and sometimes it didn't. But the game of football is easy."


    For a wide receiver whose first season has virtually run the gamut -- from brilliant, spectacular plays early in the season, to the injury that cost him two games and slowed him significantly at midseason, to the frustrating dropped balls Sunday against Chicago -- that is saying a mouthful.


    But in Williams and running back Kevin Jones -- the Lions' two first-round picks of the 2004 draft -- they landed players around whom they will be able to build for years to come.


    Williams' impressive start included back-to-back two-touchdown games against Houston and Philadelphia. Despite troubles more recently, he still leads the Lions with 50 receptions for 755 yards and seven touchdowns.


    "Roy has fought through some leg injuries and ankle injuries," coach Steve Mariucci said. "You watch him practice each day and he hasn't really been full speed much of the season. But to his credit, he's fought through it and participated as much and as well as he possibly could, and had a semi-productive year. He's going to be a heck of a player."


    Jones started slowly in Mariucci's three-back rotation and was held back even more by a sprained ankle he suffered in the Sept. 26 game against Philadelphia. But he has rushed for 100 yards or more in four of the last six games and ranks fifth among NFC rushers with 1,061 yards. He also has five touchdowns.


    "Kevin is really finishing the year strong," Mariucci said.


    Jones the No. 30 pick overall, is definitely having the stronger finish of the two first-round picks.


    Since Mariucci started giving him the majority of the carries in the Nov. 14 game at Jacksonville, Jones has turned in rushing totals of 81, 100, 99, 196, 156, 79 and 123 yards and is averaging a fraction less than 5.5 yards per carry over those seven games.


    "Things are slowing down for me now," Jones explained. "And I'm just trying to get better each week."


    If the game slowed down for Jones, it was probably because he learned to slow himself down after a few frantic attempts to make every play a big play in the exhibition season and the early regular season.


    "Early in the season I don't think he really understood how to play the game," running backs coach Tom Rathman said. "It's not college, where you can just bounce everything outside and use your speed to create big plays.


    "I think his success now is due to the fact he understands the scheme a little bit better and he has a little more patience as a runner. That's the one area he's doing really well in -- when he has the football in his hands."


    Rathman won't be completely satisfied with Jones, however, until he becomes a complete player, which means improving his blocking skills, especially in blitz pickup, and becoming a more polished receiver.


    But the product the Titans will see Sunday at Tennessee is already an NFL-caliber back.


    "You can't say enough about the running back," Titans coach Jeff Fisher said. "We've played some good running backs this year, but this might be our greatest test of the year.


    "We really liked Kevin coming out and the last five weeks he's had a phenomenal end to the season."


    The Lions knew they were getting a quality back. The one thing that might have surprised even them was the power with which he runs, as Jones showed in a play last Sunday against Chicago. He pushed four defenders down the field for the final 8-10 yards of a 33-yard run.


    "He's had several of those this year," Rathman said. "I don't think he was noted as a power runner coming out of college. More of a slasher, speed-type guy, but if you could identify him as the type of game he brings, he's a power runner. He's fast, he can make the cuts and then he can run through tackles."


    Except for his 104-yard, two-touchdown game against Minnesota two weeks ago, Williams had his best games early in the season. The ankle injury he suffered Oct. 10 at Atlanta limited his speed and cutting ability several weeks into November and even early December.


    And, while he sticks to his theory that football is an easy game to play, he has learned something about the need for staying power and the need to avoid injuries in the NFL.


    "If you look at the stats after the injury, it was 30 yards here, 40 yards here, instead of the big games I had before the injury," said Williams, the seventh pick in the draft.


    Williams said he would like to make up for his drops in the Chicago game with a superior performance -- and a Lions' win -- against the Titans.


    Williams was asked if he could see himself and Jones eventually becoming a combination like Isaac Bruce and Marshall Faulk at St. Louis or Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James at Indianapolis.


    "No, I think maybe a Roy Williams-Kevin Jones-Charles Rogers combination," he said of the other prized young receiver, who was lost for the season because of a broken collarbone suffered in the opener at Chicago. "I think that's what we'll get to be."


    Thinking small, obviously, is not the way Williams approaches this easy game.


    NOTEBOOK: Mariucci held out or limited several players in Wednesday's practice -- guards Damien Woody (groin) and David Loverne (knee), cornerback Fernando Bryant (ankle) and wide receivers Tai Streets (knee) and Az-Zahir Hakim (groin). Quarterback Joey Harrington (elbow) took fewer snaps but is listed as probable.


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    Shaun Rogers signs six-year deal with Detroit Lions


    January 1, 2005


    DETROIT(AP) -- The Detroit Lions reached a six-year deal with Shaun Rogers on Saturday, making him the highest paid defensive tackle in the NFL, his agent said.

    The Lions and agent Kennard McGuire would not reveal terms of the contract.

    ``This will make Shaun the best-paid defensive tackle in the game,'' McGuire said. ``We are very pleased with what we have been able to get for him.''

    The 25-year-old Rogers, 6-foot-4 and 345 pounds, was chosen to the Pro Bowl this year and was an alternate last year. He has 75 tackles, four sacks, two blocked kicks and a fumble recovery this season.

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    Pride of the Lions at stake in final game

    BY CURT SYLVESTER, FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

    Even the mathematical possibilities finally ran out on the Lions.


    So they will play out the season the same way they played out last season. And, before that, the 2002 and 2001 seasons.


    They virtually took themselves out of playoff contention by going 1-7 during a midseason slump, although they maintained hope of slipping into a wild-card playoff berth.


    Now even the most remote mathematical possibility has been eliminated. Seems that 6-10 or 7-9 just won't make it, even in a down year for the NFC.


    The Lions' only motivation in their season finale Sunday at Tennessee will be what they can manufacture in their own minds -- pride of performance, the pleasure of playing the game right and the possibility of finishing the season with a victory.


    And for some of them -- including middle linebacker Earl Holmes -- it is not that difficult.


    "Nothing else matters at 1 o'clock when that ball is kicked off," Holmes said. "We're competitors; we compete. When it's Super Bowl or playoff time and we have to win this game, you're going to play like it's your last game anyway because we're competitors.


    "The mental part of it is, man, we want to beat Tennessee. And they want to beat us. We're competitors, regardless of what the situation might be."


    The reality, however, is that after their 4-2 start, the Lions expected to be playing for something more meaningful by the end of the season. Had they broken even in the final 10 games, they would have made the playoffs.


    They can look back at the past two months and find any number of wasted opportunities -- games that would have put them there.


    "We've lost about five games where we had a chance at the end for somebody to make a play; it hasn't happened for us," coach Steve Mariucci said. "Otherwise, we'd be in the playoffs.


    "We're getting to the point of make that play or not, and -- as we go forward -- we're going to make that play more often."


    So what is the driving force for a 6-9 team playing on the road against a 4-11 opponent?


    "Each guy here has a certain motivation, a certain reason -- and they might be different reasons from one guy to the next -- why this game's important, why they should play well, why they should play hard," Mariucci said.


    "They're professional athletes, and you expect that from them. And they expect it from themselves. ... I expect us to play well."


    A victory certainly would not save the season for the Lions, but it would edge them slightly closer to respectability at 7-9 after consecutive seasons of 2-14, 3-13 and 5-11. And it would enable them to go into the off-season feeling a little bit better about themselves.


    "When this is the taste that's going to be left in your mouth for the rest of the off-season, you always want to do it right," quarterback Joey Harrington said. "And, personally, I need to continue to grow, continue to learn and continue to improve. This is another game to do that."


    Although Mariucci has avoided experimenting with young players in expanded roles in the final weeks, it seems he is giving quarterbacks coach Greg Olson an audition for a greater role in play-calling next season.


    Olson called the offensive plays in the past two games, against Minnesota and Chicago, and apparently will call them Sunday.


    Mariucci gave former Lions coach Marty Mornhinweg similar responsibilities when Mornhinweg was his assistant at San Francisco, thereby allowing himself a greater focus on managing the game. Mariucci and offensive coordinator Sherman Lewis have an input in play-calling, but Olson is making most of the decisions.


    "Having coached the quarterbacks, I've always felt the guy that's with him 18 hours a day -- which is his coach -- should have a good feel for what that guy is good at, what that guy likes, dislikes, what he feels a little uncomfortable with," Mariucci said.


    "That quarterback coach is closest to the situation, and obviously in communication with him continuously throughout a game, so that's a logical person to be giving him a play. So we're doing some of that right now.


    "I'm seeing how it goes. We're trying to observe it and look at it, see if that helps us. We're trying to find out what helps us the best in terms of giving him the play in a timely fashion, allowing him to have some time out there to think about it, chew on it, talk to his huddle, more time over the ball."


    NOTEBOOK: Guard Damien Woody practiced Friday for the first time this week and likely will play Sunday. Neither wide receiver Az-Zahir Hakim nor Tai Streets practiced, but one or both probably will start, too.


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    DREW SHARP: It's time for results from Mooch after two seasons

    January 3, 2005


    BY DREW SHARP
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    NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- During one last same-old, same-old postmortem, Steve Mariucci's attention wandered to far more interesting developments unfolding on a television in the room.


    As he repeated the stock answers after another Lions collapse, Mariucci's eyes stayed glued to the final moments of the St. Louis-New York Jets overtime thriller.


    What a concept.


    You had two teams heading to the end of the last game with a playoff berth at stake.


    He couldn't turn away.


    It must have seemed like a million years ago since Mariucci was in a similar position.


    He's disappointed in this team, but more important, he's disappointed in himself. He expected faster development than just three more wins from when he took over amid the hoopla and pageantry two years ago.


    The biggest disappointment of a fourth straight season of double-digit losses was the head coaching.


    People expected more from Mooch than what they've gotten. The Fords signed a $25-million check over five years for more credibility, more discipline and more toughness. After two years and 21 losses, all they've gotten for their investment is a stubbornly rigid philosophy that's choking away any potential offensive life.


    As the final seconds ticked away from another horror show Sunday, so too did this mark the end of the $25-million man's honeymoon.


    Mariucci has had two years to evaluate, two years to indoctrinate. And now it's time for results.


    His job should be in serious jeopardy after next season if he can't get enough out of these guys to merit a playoff berth in what should likely remain a woeful NFC.


    If he desires a new quarterback, fine. Make it work. And understand that if any new challenge to Joey Harrington fails, it would be Mariucci's disaster 100 percent.


    The offensive playbook requires more than just a little tweaking. Everybody knew that Mariucci was a conservative offensive thinker, but it seems the Lions never challenge opposing defenses.


    And it's not about tricky gadget plays like the double reverse-flea flicker-Statue of Liberty that we drew up on the neighborhood street as kids. It's about keeping defenses off rhythm.


    "I'm not pleased," Mariucci said when asked how he would grade himself this season. "I don't do grades. But I expected to bring this team along a lot faster."


    So because he won't grade himself, allow me.


    He gets a D for this season.


    If you didn't know who was on the sideline, you'd have sworn it was a Marty Mornhinweg operation from 2001 and 2002 with the endless mental errors and overall bad execution. The Lions remain an emotional vacuum. They have no leadership in that locker room, placing even more of the onus on the coaches.


    Mariucci said he'll spend this week evaluating what the Lions' personnel priorities will be in the off-season. A fast, physical safety should be first on the list, a good veteran quarterback who could win the starter's job is second, and a playmaking tight end third.


    But he should honestly evaluate himself first.


    Roy Williams told coaches the Tennessee safety had adjusted to an earlier route and perhaps they should adjust as well.


    The coaches didn't listen. The Lions tried the same play later and it proved unsuccessful.


    "All I can do is run what's called and try to catch the ball," Williams said.


    Williams said later that he wasn't criticizing the West Coast offense. He just doesn't think the Lions should be married to one basic concept and that the coaches should adopt elements from other teams.


    "Why not take a little something from these various teams and make it Steve Mariucci's offense?" Williams said. "We could call it the Motown offense. People would like that, wouldn't they?"


    But that would require more flexibility from Mariucci.


    Maybe the changes have already begun. Mariucci, perhaps grudgingly, surrendered offensive play-calling responsibility to quarterbacks coach Greg Olson three games ago out of concerns that it was compromising his overall game management.


    Time has a way of quickly catching up to you. It wasn't that long ago when Mariucci walked out onto the stage at Ford Field as the living messiah. He would cut through the history of mediocrity.


    The Lions finally nabbed a head coach who was in high demand in the NFL when the Lions courted him. And the Fords deserved a pat on the back for their willingness to pay whatever the cost in their still seemingly hopeless quest to give this city its second playoff win in nearly a half-century.


    But just as there are doubts about Harrington, there are justifiable questions about Mariucci as he approaches his most important off-season here.


    The toughness, the discipline, the credibility that were promised at the outset aren't there.


    Pointing the blame at Matt Millen is certainly deserved and obviously more convenient. Mariucci was well insulated from the criticisms, but not anymore.


    His reputation is on the line.


    "I can't wait to start next year," Mariucci said Sunday. "I wish that it would start tomorrow."


    A little advice, Mooch: It does.


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    Blocked field goals fine, but Rogers is hungry for wins

    January 3, 2005






    BY NICHOLAS J. COTSONIKA
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    NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- He didn't want to hear it. The blocked field goal attempt? Big deal. The Lions lost to the Titans, 24-19.


    "If you don't win, there's not too much positive," Shaun Rogers said Sunday. "That's the bottom line. You've got to win to be happy."


    This is why the Lions signed the 25-year-old Rogers to a six-year contract extension reportedly worth $46 million -- including a $15-million signing bonus -- making him the highest-paid defensive tackle in the NFL.


    It must have been tempting to coast, one day after signing such a fat deal, with the playoffs out of reach, having made the Pro Bowl. But Rogers played hard, and when it didn't lead to a "W," he was surly.


    "The guy always plays hard," Lions coach Steve Mariucci said, "and he made a big play and gave us a chance again."


    The Lions were behind in the fourth quarter, 24-13. They had turned over the ball, and the Titans were trying to capitalize by kicking a field goal.


    But Rogers got in the way. It was the sixth blocked field goal of his four-year NFL career. He also has blocked a PAT attempt.


    All Rogers had to say about the play was: "You just put pressure up the middle, get your hands up and try to see the ball and block it."


    He was more colorful about the play of the defensive line, which didn't have a sack but knocked Tennessee quarterback Billy Volek out of the game with a separated shoulder.


    "We got off to a sluggish start, and then some jibber-jabbering got started and some things got riled up," he said. "I think we left our mark. Even though it was a loss, I think we left our mark as a defensive line. ...


    "We go out there to play hard, and if you happen to be in the way, you happen to be in the way."


    He had a little to say about the contract extension, but not much.


    "It's a blessing," he said when first asked about it. "I'm glad we got it done. Now we can do what we've been doing, play ball."


    Asked about it again -- about avoiding any issues related to the franchise-player designation, specifically -- he said, "I'm happy to get it done. It shows they have some belief in me, a sense of commitment that I share. Hopefully I can be around a long time and continue to be productive and not disappoint anybody."


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    Another frustrating season for Joey

    January 3, 2005



    BY NICHOLAS J. COTSONIKA
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    NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Not again. The Lions were down by five and down inside the 20. It was the final minute of the fourth quarter and fourth down. Quarterback Joey Harrington threw the ball for wide receiver Roy Williams, only to see it deflected and fall to the turf.


    The Titans took a knee a couple of times, and that was it, another close-but-not-quite loss for the Lions, 24-19.


    "It's frustrating," Harrington said, whispering at first. "You look back through the course of the game, and you can pick out five or six plays that coulda, shoulda, woulda made a difference. But you never know when they're going to come up. It's just frustrating."


    The season came to an appropriate end Sunday, for the Lions in general, for Harrington in particular.


    Harrington was 33-for-49 for 346 yards. It was the third time in three seasons he reached 300 yards. The first came his rookie year, when he threw for 309 against Minnesota. The second came two weeks ago, when he threw for 361 against the Vikings.


    But a big reason Harrington threw so much was that the Lions were playing from behind -- note his other 300-yard games were losses, too -- and he turned over the ball twice Sunday.


    In the first quarter, Harrington was stripped by linebacker Keith Bulluck.


    "I didn't even see him coming," Harrington said. "Roy beat his guy up the seam, and I was right about to pull the trigger."


    By the time Harrington figured out where the ball was, Bulluck had recovered the fumble and was 15 yards downfield, on his way to a touchdown that, with the point after, put the Titans ahead, 7-0.


    In the fourth, with the Lions trying to come back from a 24-13 deficit, Harrington was intercepted by cornerback Andre Dyson. Making matters worse, he was called for a low block on the return.


    "I've done that a couple times this year. I didn't know it was a penalty," Harrington said. "The rule is in place to protect people's knees, and I had no intention of injuring the guy or taking the guy's knees out. He was the lead blocker for the guy who was running right behind him, and I just tried to blow the play up. There was no malice involved."


    It's frustrating. ... It's just frustrating.


    Harrington could have said it over and over again. He didn't seem upset when asked if he would welcome a veteran quarterback who knew how to run the West Coast offense, considering backups Mike McMahon and Rick Mirer are free agents and likely will be replaced.


    "That's what we've had the last three years, with Ty Detmer and Rick Mirer," he said. "I'd welcome anybody who fits into this team. The objective is to win football games."


    But when someone suggested quarterbacks were supposed to make strides in their third year of the West Coast offense, Harrington took issue with it.


    "Everybody grows at a different rate, because everybody has different experiences," he said. "There's no magic year or magic formula that says, 'By Year 3, he's going to be Joe Montana.' I mean, we've got a lot of things to clean up in the off-season.


    "Do I feel like I made strides? Yeah, I do. More touchdowns, less interceptions. Had some success."


    For the record, Harrington threw 19 touchdowns and 12 interceptions this season, versus 17 and 22 last season and 12 and 16 his rookie year. The Lions went 6-10, versus 5-11 and 3-13.


    "I feel better this year than I did last year, and so in my mind that's improvement," Harrington said. "Is it enough improvement? Was it enough improvement for us to go to the playoffs this year? No. I've got to get better. I mean, everybody in this room has to get better."


    Harrington said he would "sit in an ice bucket for a couple of weeks," to heal mentally and physically, then get back to work.


    "The season here is so long, you've got to take a minute to yourself and put your head back," he said. "Going through what we went through this year, I mean, there were mornings when it was a struggle to drive into work. Knowing we just lost another close one, that takes a toll on you."

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