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    I disagree...maybe better in that you don't hate him as much...but talent wise...at this stage of his over career...He's a lot like McMike...and can't run...

    the ONLY plus...is that he knew the offense...
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    I know it isn't great, but at least now we move on to maybe signing DeMulling from Indy at guard, and use that #10 wisely in the draft, we are a breath away, and fewer injuries away from a good team.
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    And I still have to like Garcia in a late game, pressure type, time management thing better than McMike.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he's #3 in Philly behind Detmer.

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    If Garcia is in a late game...

    you can say you'll like him...but try and fast forward to that moment...when Garcia walks into the game...2 minutes left in the game...the playoffs on the line...

    I'm betting bottom dollar, "I like" isn't going to be part of the equation...

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    Take McMahon out of the equation...

    I can't believe I'm going to say this...but I'd rather have Overrated Maddox...than Garcia...

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    Hell, I wouldnt mind that even. He seemed to go downfield to Burress and Ward when he was in, we need that.

    Need Rogers to stay healthy and picking up Pollard was a good one for us.

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    Pollard was big...no doubt...

    I like Maddox off the bench...the same spark he tries to bring to all games...and doesn't translate...

    does translate in late inning pitches...and brief starting opps...

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    I'm rooting for Harrington to fulfill that #3 pick in the draft. I think he can do it.
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    That would be the optimum here War...

    I think he can fulfill that #3 pick...as long as his fellow high pics stay healthy...

    I think we all can agree that Harrington isn't going to carry this club...

    but Detroit has made a bunch of good moves...

    this may be the year..they make a big freakin' jump...

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    Shit, I thought they could have went 8-8 last year. So many fucking close games, and injuries didn't help.

    I think at least 9-7 this year is very makeable if everyone stays healthy.

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    Thing is War...

    I know you are publically thinking 9-7...

    but I think Detroit could do much...much better than that if they are healthy...

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    I don't want to get too greedy now, Pojo.

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    15-1???

    I said 9-7 last year...before the season started with this caveat...

    I would change it if Ben became starter for the Steelers...

    lmfao...I'm not prophetic often...

    but that was 1 I don't mind talkin' about...

    won't have that next year though...My steelers are doin' enough...

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    I do like what the Lions have done in the offseason, even if I'm not too keen on Garcia.

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    Pretty sure we lost like 6 or 7 games by a TD or less, and we had leads vs GB and Minny in the 4th qtr of those games.

    Health is the biggest issue.

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    Charles Rogers is my biggest concern by far. If we can get TWO good receivers, we'll be that much better.

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    Dude, if Rogers can stay healthy ... look out.

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    IMO...he doesn't have to stay healthy to look out...they just need Jones to stay healthy...RW to stay healthy...

    Harrington not to bite them in the ass by making costly mistakes...

    Pollard to be the old Pollard...not just old...

    and the D to stay healthy...

    If Rogers is healthy...the go from a good team...to a great one...

    and IMO...they just have to stay the course...

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    Just sometimes you find yourself thinking, "that could be Andre Johnson over there opposite Roy ... "

    Health will always be the big issure, but it is for everyone. Just seemed to be cursed lately.

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    Garcia says he's ready for backup role -- and will be ready to start

    March 14, 2005


    ALLEN PARK, Mich. (AP) -- Though Jeff Garcia believes still he can be a successful starter in the NFL, he has accepted his new role as the Lions' backup quarterback.

    ``I'm not there to create any friction, I'm not there to create any controversy,'' Garcia said in a conference call Monday, two days after agreeing to a one-year, $2 million deal. ``I'm just there to add strength to the position.''

    Coach Steve Mariucci, who coached Garcia for four years in San Francisco, was adamant that Joey Harrington will be Detroit's starting quarterback when the season begins in September.

    Before signing the 35-year-old Garcia, the Lions targeted a group of veterans that included Garcia, former NFL MVP Kurt Warner and Brad Johnson. Warner signed with Arizona, leaving the door open for Garcia to choose the Lions over Seattle and Denver.

    Mariucci said Garcia's age isn't a concern, comparing him to Steve Young, who also played for Mariucci in San Francisco.

    ``(Veteran quarterbacks) aren't thinking retirement, they're not thinking old age, they're thinking about getting better and that's what makes these guys tick and keeps them motivated,'' Mariucci said.

    During his five years with the 49ers, Garcia threw for 16,408 yards and 113 touchdowns and was a Pro Bowl selection three straight times from 2000-2002.

    Garcia then signed with Cleveland last year. He started 10 of 11 games before ending the season on injured reserve. The Browns released him last month.

    Despite coming as the backup, Garcia said he will be ready to start if the situation arises.

    ``It's hard to swallow that I'm not coming into a situation where I'm at least able to compete or to be that guy (that starts),'' Garcia said. ``But it's something that is reality right now and something that I will have to accept.''

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    35 years old...yeesh.

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    Let's hope he doesn't play.

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    Lions make Holland linebackers coach

    March 15, 2005


    ALLEN PARK, Mich. (AP) -- The Detroit Lions elevated Johnny Holland to linebackers coach Tuesday and hired Phil Snow as a defensive assistant.

    Holland replaces Richard Smith, hired earlier this month as the Miami Dolphins' defensive coordinator. Snow will fill the position Holland has held for the last two seasons.

    Before joining the Lions, Holland spent three seasons with the Seattle Seahawks, first as assistant special teams/assistant strength and conditioning coach (2000), then as linebackers coach (2001-02). He coached in Green Bay from 1995-99.

    Snow spent the past two seasons with the Washington Huskies, the last as defensive coordinator.

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    I'm still wincing from the Garcia signing.

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    I know ... not my first choice either ... just hoping he serves as the extended coach due to his years under Mooch. He did go to 3 Pro Bowls under him, but his playing days are over in my opinion.

    Best case scenario, he plays what other #2's do ... mop up.

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    Lions sign OG DeMulling

    March 16, 2005


    ALLEN PARK, Mich. (AP) -- The Detroit Lions signed offensive guard Rick DeMulling to a two-year contract Wednesday.

    The team did not release details of the deal.

    DeMulling, who started 41 games for the Indianapolis Colts over three seasons, will be plugged in as a starter along with guard Damien Woody, tackle Jeff Backus and center Dominic Raiola.

    Detroit still has to add a tackle -- in the draft or free agency -- to replace Stockar McDougle, who signed with the Miami Dolphins on Tuesday.

    Indianapolis drafted the 6-foot-4, 304-pound DeMulling in the seventh round of the 2001 draft.

    The Baltimore Ravens pursued DeMulling, but decided he was too expensive. DeMulling also visited the Buffalo Bills after the Colts released him this month to help clear salary-cap space.

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    LIONS NOTEBOOK: Millen: Lions will field one of the faster teams

    BY CURT SYLVESTER, FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

    For the first time since Matt Millen was hired as the Lions president four years ago, he will not go into the NFL draft frantic to fill at least one glaring hole in the lineup.


    And, although he knows there are positions that need to be stronger and deeper, Millen likes the new feeling.

    "I think right now we're in pretty solid shape," Millen said Wednesday, in a teleconference from Maui, where he is attending the NFL owners meetings. "I don't think we're exceptional but I think if you take a step back and look at the big picture, this is where we're at:


    "We have increased our team speed to the point where we're one of the faster teams in the league, offensively and defensively.


    "I think we've increased our talent level, our skill level. Three years ago we were all sitting around talking about, 'We have to increase our skill level.' We've done that.


    "We have people who can make plays. We've gotten to the point where, schematically, we're on the other side of the learning curve. I think our coaches know what our players are capable of, I think our players know what our coaches want, so I'm pretty comfortable with where we are in that regard."


    In four years of drafting, Millen has filled numerous holes with offensive tackle Jeff Backus, center Dominic Raiola, defensive tackle Shaun Rogers, wide receivers Charles Rogers and Roy Williams, linebackers Boss Bailey and Teddy Lehman and defensive end Cory Redding and, although he has struggled, the team believes quarterback Joey Harrington can be effective.


    In addition, the Lions have shopped wisely in the last three free-agent markets, landing Pro Bowl cornerback Dre' Bly, offensive guard Damien Woody and -- in the past month -- safety Kenoy Kennedy, tight end Marcus Pollard, offensive guard Rick DeMulling and backup quarterback Jeff Garcia.


    So far, however, the results on the field haven't matched their draft and free agent-signing reviews. They have won 16 games in the past four years, with records of 2-14, 2-13, 5-11 and 6-10.


    "What I'm not comfortable in, is that we haven't been consistent," Millen said. "And that's the whole key. If we can do that, I'm excited about it. That's going to be the whole thing.


    "Of course, right now, this is the time of year when everybody's excited about what they have.


    "You start looking at stuff on paper and starting seeing where you came from to where you're at, and OK, you feel pretty good about it. Everybody feels the same way right now. We've just got to go do it."


    With the signing of Kennedy, Pollard, DeMulling and Garcia, the Lions filled key positions. They are still hoping to land free agent wide receiver Cory Bradford and Millen will be watching the June 1 cuts for players released for salary cap reasons.


    Most of the focus now, however, will be on preparing for the draft April 23-24 and any number of scenarios that might play out on draft day.


    The Lions could draft a tackle to replace Stockar McDougle, who was signed by the Miami Dolphins. They could draft another linebacker, a tight end or -- if they don't get Bradford -- even another wide receiver. With no glaring need to be filled, they could make a legitimate case for drafting the best player available.


    "I think we'll consider everything," Millen said, "because I think we're at that point right now where we don't really have to have any one thing, and I want playmakers. If there's a playmaker sitting there and he's a receiver, I think we'd consider him."


    NOTEBOOK: Defensive tackle Marcus Bell, who played a valuable role in the defensive line rotation last year, has agreed to terms on a new three-year contract. Bell, who played three years at Arizona and was claimed by the Lions when the Cardinals waived him last June, played in all 16 games, had 27 tackles, two sacks and forced a fumble. ... . The Lions have gotten good reports on three players recovering from injury or surgery -- Williams (ankle surgery), Rogers (broken collarbone) and Bailey (knee surgery). Millen said all three were in various stages of rehab work and appeared to be on schedule to play next season. ... Although some teams reportedly were disappointed in wide receiver Braylon Edwards' workout times at the Michigan pro day last week, Millen was not. "He's the whole game," Millen said. "However somebody thought Braylon worked out -- some thought great, some thought just average -- who cares? The guy's a player. Whoever he gets drafted by, they'll be very pleased with him." ... Free agent tight end Stephen Alexander signed a three-year contract with the Broncos for $4.2 million and a $1 million in bonuses.

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    Lions to wear black jerseys for two games

    March 24, 2005


    BY CURT SYLVESTER
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    Expect the Lions to have a Raiders-like look at times next fall.


    For two home games -- to be determined after the schedule is revealed next month -- the Lions will wear black jerseys instead of their usual Honolulu blue and silver.


    "I just think it looks great," Lions president Matt Millen said Wednesday. "You're allowed to have that jersey. We've got the blue-and-silver and white, and we added just that little piping of black. I think it looks great."


    The new jersey is expected to be black with the numbers in blue, outlined in white.


    The Lions did not unveil a prototype; that is expected late next month near the NFL draft. In fact, Millen's comment, made on a teleconference from Maui, site of the owners meetings, does not constitute the team's official announcement.


    With the addition of the black jerseys, the Lions will have four at their disposal -- their blue home jerseys, their white road jerseys, the throwback jerseys they wear for Thanksgiving Day and the new Raiders-inspired look.


    The Lions added black trim to their uniforms in 2003 but decided to carry the look a step farther with a black jersey similar to the style Millen wore during his first nine NFL seasons, when he played with the Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders.


    The Lions aren't saying the new look is tied to Millen's days with the Raiders, but he has strong feelings for the Raiders mentality.


    "It's just one of those things," Millen said, chuckling. "It looks great and it has a good feel, kind of makes me feel at home a little bit."


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    Lions sign backup running back White

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    The Lions signed free agent running back Jamel White, the team announced Thursday. Terms of the deal were not released.


    White, 5-feet-9, 208 pounds, has rushed for 1,406 yards on 376 carries in five seasons. He also has 170 receptions.


    White, 27, will likely compete for a third-string or special-teams role in Detroit.


    An undrafted free agent in 2000 out of South Dakota, White eventually ended up with the Cleveland Browns and played four seasons as a backup tailback and kickoff returner.


    He was cut before the 2004 season.


    After a short stint with Miami, White signed with the Baltimore Ravens early last season after starter Jamal Lewis was suspended and third-string back Musa Smith suffered a season-ending injury. White ran 27 times for 82 yards in 13 games.


    The Lions also waived running back Ken Simonton.

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    Lions re-sign Cash; 49ers lineman to visit today

    April 6, 2005

    Restricted free agent cornerback Chris Cash re-signed with the Lions, the team announced Tuesday. Terms were not released.


    He had 25 tackles and one interception in 11 games last season.


    In his rookie season in 2002, Cash finished second on the team in tackles with 117 and started 12 of 16 games. The Lions drafted Cash in the sixth round out of Southern California. He won a starting job in the exhibition season of 2003, but he suffered two torn ligaments in his left knee in an exhibition game against Cleveland. He missed the entire season.


    The Lions are bringing in Kyle Kosier, a restricted free agent offensive lineman, today for a visit and a physical, the San Francisco Chronicle is reporting. Kosier, a three-year veteran for the 49ers, played under coach Steve Mariucci at San Francisco in 2002. Kosier, 27, started nine games at left tackle and seven at right guard for the 49ers last season. He can also play right tackle. Because he is a restricted free agent, the 49ers have a right to match any offer.


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    I'm really looking forward to this coming year. It should be interesting with all the signings.

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    As it stands, they may take OL Alex Barron from Florida State at number 10, but if they sign this SF OL to a deal, that could change things definitely.

    Counting the days until the draft myself.

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    I'm still not crazy about Garcia...hell, I'm not even lukewarm.

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    Me neither, although most so called "experts" think it was a good move. He took a pretty big beating last season. I don't want to see the scenario where we need him in there.

    Hopefully it serves it's purpose and pushes Harrington to excel.

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    TE - not QB - Alex Smith to visit Lions nfl

    BY CURT SYLVESTER, FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

    The rumors are true: Alex Smith is scheduled to visit the Lions.


    Contrary to the Wednesday rumors, however, it is tight end Alex Smith of Stanford -- not quarterback Alex Smith from Utah -- who is expected to meet with Lions coaches in Allen Park this week.



    Alex Smith, the quarterback, is expected to be one of the first five players taken in the NFL draft April 23. Some are projecting him as the No. 1 pick.


    The Lions -- with Joey Harrington and Jeff Garcia set as the top two quarterbacks -- are not expected to take a quarterback in the early rounds of the draft, so the rumors of a meeting with Alex Smith, the quarterback, were puzzling.


    Stanford's Alex Smith is one of two tight ends considered worthy of being drafted in the first two rounds of the draft.


    The interest in Smith, the tight end, is more logical. They recently signed 10-year veteran tight end Marcus Pollard but he is 33, and is the fourth starting tight end in as many years. By drafting Smith or Heath Miller of Virginia, the Lions would have a long-term solution to the position.


    It is common for teams to arrange visits for players they would consider drafting. The Lions are currently in that process.


    They have not yet landed a wide receiver in free agency and there are indications they might be looking to fill that position in the early rounds.


    They met Wednesday with Mark Clayton of Oklahoma and Troy Williamson of South Carolina -- both first-round prospects -- and Mike Williams of USC reportedly will visit sometime within the next week.


    The Lions have the 10th pick in the first round of the draft.


    NOTEBOOK: Tackle Kyle Kosier, a restricted free agent from San Francisco, visited. Kosier is a three-year veteran and played his first two NFL seasons under Lions line coach Pat Morris. He started all 16 games for the 49ers last year, including nine at left tackle, and has NFL experience at four of the five offensive line positions. ... Unrestricted free agent linebacker and special teams player Wali Rainer has signed a one-year contract with the Lions.


    Jacksonville: The Jaguars signed veteran free agent defensive tackle Tony Williams. Williams will likely be a backup behind Pro Bowl tackles Marcus Stroud and John Henderson. Williams, 29, played six games with Cincinnati last season before missing the rest of the season with a broken ankle suffered in October


    Minnesota: An NFL investigation into ticket-scalping has found evidence that Vikings coach Mike Tice violated league policy. Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, speaking at a news conference, said he would discipline Tice soon for his handling of Super Bowl tickets, but did not specify when. Tagliabue said the discipline likely would include fines for reselling tickets, but no suspension. Tice was being investigated for heading up a ticket-scalping operation within the Vikings organization that included assistant coaches and some players. Tice didn't immediately respond to a message left with team officials.


    Philadelphia: Terrell Owens has a new agent. He doesn't have a new contract -- yet. The Eagles' receiver recently hired Drew Rosenhaus to replace his longtime agent, David Joseph. Rosenhaus met with Eagles president Joe Banner presumably to discuss his client's contract. Owens, who helped lead the Eagles to the Super Bowl in his first season in Philadelphia, signed a seven-year deal worth almost $49 million last March. ... Fullback Jon Ritchie signed a one-year contract with the Eagles, returning to the NFC champions after missing most of last season with a knee injury.


    Free Press news services contributed.

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    Lions' Bly hopes for good health

    BY CURT SYLVESTER, FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

    Three days after the fact, Dre' Bly was still celebrating.


    Still wearing the blue-and-white golf shirt.


    Still wearing the powder blue baseball cap.


    Still celebrating his alma mater North Carolina's victory over Illinois in the NCAA championship game Monday night.


    Bly, a two-time Pro Bowl cornerback, joined the rest of his Lions teammates for the start of off-season conditioning in Allen Park this week, but he's not letting any of them forget his college roots.


    "For the next two weeks you're going to see me in some form of baby blue," Bly said, grinning.


    And if it's up to Bly, the celebration will switch from North Carolina's baby blue and white to the Lions' Honolulu blue and silver early next fall.


    That's why he doesn't mind spending four days a week running, lifting and preparing for the start of the season.


    "You don't want to overdo it because it's only April," Bly said. "The bigger picture is August and September, when the season starts. You don't want to wear yourself out now to the point you don't have anything left when September comes.


    "You want to gradually get yourself back into shape, push yourself, get good work out of what you're doing and form some type of relationships, be able to communicate among each other. That's key for teams that are successful. The more of that you do, the better off you'll be once the season starts."


    After four rebuilding seasons in which the Lions have won a total of only 16 games, they have higher expectations for 2005. They have gotten younger and faster and have improved dramatically at the skilled positions. The consensus is that the Lions should win more games than they lose for the first time since the 2000 team finished 9-7.


    Bly hopes to avoid the injury problems that slowed him in the early weeks last season.


    "I'm really going to dedicate myself to getting in the best shape," he said. "Last year, I had a hip flexor before camp started, then I banged my knee up the first game. That kind of sidetracked me for a minute.


    "I need to prepare myself because I still haven't had my breakout year. I want to maximize my full potential, and I haven't done that. I'm capable of having 10 interceptions; that's something I can do.


    "Last year, I should have had six or seven, possibly eight. And I missed four games. I think with a healthy year, playing all 16 games and this team being successful, I think I could have a breakout year, and that's what I'm keying for."


    Bly has been watching the Lions' off-season moves -- the addition of safety Kenoy Kennedy, tight end Marcus Pollard, quarterback Jeff Garcia and others -- and said there is only one thing left to do.


    "We're putting ourselves where we want to be," he said. "Guys coming in the first week (of off-season workouts), basically we have everybody here. That's a good sign. Guys are motivated, looking forward to the season, ready to go.


    "I think each individual understands and knows we have an opportunity to win this division, and I think guys are looking forward to it."


    NOTEBOOK: With the draft barely two weeks away, Lions coaches and scouts are knee-deep in preparations. They are expected to meet with two more of the top wide receiver prospects -- Braylon Edwards of Michigan and Mike Williams of Southern Cal -- within the next few days, possibly today.

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    Edwards likes Lions, but ...

    BY CURT SYLVESTER, FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

    Braylon Edwards came to Allen Park for a visit Friday. And, if it were up to him, he'd be back to stay in two weeks.


    Nothing against the other 31 NFL teams that might covet him in the April 23-24 draft, but the University of Michigan wide receiver would be more than happy to play for his hometown Lions.

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    "I'm from Detroit, played at Michigan," Edwards said. "So if I went to Detroit, that would be right up my alley, right down the street.


    "If I play here in front of my hometown, there would be a lot of support and it would be a lot of fun."


    His family -- including his father, Stanley, who played briefly with the Lions at the end of his own NFL career -- wouldn't have to travel the country to see him play.


    "Tell me about it," Edwards said, laughing. "Tell me about it."


    And he can see himself fitting in nicely with the Lions' two other young receivers -- Charles Rogers and Roy Williams -- in what would conceivably be one of the NFL's best 1-2-3 receiving combinations.


    "We're two years apart -- Charles, then Roy, then there's me," Edwards said. "That would be a great situation -- three guys like that, three young, talented receivers. It would be hard in a couple years to stop three guys that had mastered the system."


    It is not difficult for Edwards to get enthused about the possibility of playing for the Lions, who seem to be headed for better seasons after winning only 16 games in the last four years. But the reality of the situation is that it probably has no chance of happening.


    Nine teams will make their selections before the Lions make their first pick in this year's draft. By even the most conservative estimate, it's hard to imagine Edwards would slip out of the top five.


    Although the San Francisco 49ers are expected to use the No. 1 pick to take one of the top two quarterbacks -- Alex Smith of Utah or Aaron Rodgers of California -- they reportedly are also considering Edwards.


    And if the 49ers don't draft him, many NFL observers doubt Edwards will slip beyond Miami, Cleveland, Chicago or Tampa Bay, the teams that follow San Francisco in the first-round order.


    Edwards already has visited the Bears and says he has commitments to visit the 49ers, Minnesota, Cleveland and Tampa Bay.


    If none of the first five teams selected him, he would still have to get past Tennessee, Minnesota, Arizona and Washington before the Lions would have a chance to draft him.


    Although the Lions' chances of drafting Edwards seem remote, they frequently meet with as many of the top candidates as possible, in case the player slides in the draft or there is a chance for a trade.


    As much Edwards says he'd like to play for the Lions, deep down he's hoping to go much higher than No. 10. The difference between a top-five selection and a six-through-10 selection is the difference of several million dollars.


    "That's the business side of it," Edwards said. "You go from a potential one through four, which is guaranteeing yourself between 20 and 16 (million dollars), and then you drop down to 10, which is somewhere between five and seven.


    "So it's a big difference, but if it happens, it happens. Just to get your foot in the door, that's the main thing -- just to be in the NFL and to be able to showcase your talents."

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    Impressive, most impressive.

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    Heard an interesting interview with one of the guys from Pro Football Weekly.

    He was commenting on the Garcia signing and how if one of the QB's in this draft slip to them that they may certainly do it and added the scenario of Harrington's possible move if it could happen, to perhaps Chicago. Or at worst having a young guy at #3.

    He likes the LB Derrick Johnson from Texas for us there, which I wouldn't mind.

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    Competition no biggie for Joey

    BY CURT SYLVESTER, FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

    Despite the speculation, Joey Harrington says he is secure in his role as the Lions' starting quarterback.


    Harrington said Tuesday he does not feel his position was undermined by the acquisition of veteran West Coast offense quarterback Jeff Garcia.


    "I knew they were going to bring somebody in," Harrington said. "I mean that was no surprise to me -- Brad Johnson, Jeff Garcia, whoever it was going to be.


    "Jeff's experience and successes and knowledge of the offense provides a great safety net, and that's how it was described to me. Our roles at this point have been clearly defined to me."


    And Harrington said he does not feel threatened by the possible interest in Utah quarterback Alex Smith -- considered by many a top-five prospect in the NFL draft on April 23.


    "Draft him," Harrington said, laughing. "Great. Bring him in. Just make it a big three-way competition."


    Harrington said he met Smith briefly in the team cafeteria last week and he views Smith's visit as part of the draft preparation.


    "I sat and -- didn't eat lunch with him -- but I stopped and sat a minute, and said hi. He seemed like a nice guy," Harrington said.


    "There were plenty of teams that brought me in over the month prior to the draft that had no intent on drafting me. That's part of the game. I don't look at it in any other way.


    "You bring a bunch of guys in and, even if you don't end up drafting a kid, people bring guys in to see what they're like down the road. It's all part of the scouting process in the NFL."


    Harrington and Garcia have been working together in the off-season conditioning program. They are the only quarterbacks on the roster since the team declined to re-sign Mike McMahon and Rick Mirer.


    The Lions signed Garcia in March and, despite comments by coach Steve Mariucci that Harrington would be the No. 1 quarterback going into training camp, there has been speculation that Garcia would soon be the starter.


    The speculation is based in part because Garcia played four seasons under Mariucci at San Francisco and because Mariucci has been reluctant to endorse Harrington as the quarterback to lead the Lions back to respectability.


    Yet, Harrington said he has had reassurance from both owner William Clay Ford and president Matt Millen that the team has not given up on him. He said Ford called him in January to deny a published report saying the Lions were considering releasing him and he said Millen told him his release was never a serious consideration.


    "I don't think there's any question about how I fit in," Harrington said. "I'm the quarterback of the Detroit Lions; that's how I fit in. And we've got to win football games. There's not an issue in my mind, other than we've got to win football games.


    "If something changes four months from now, it's because of something I've done or haven't done. If something changes four months from now, it's because we're not winning football games, plain and simple."


    The Lions will still be in training camp four months from now but the stakes -- and the expectations -- will be higher when they get into the regular season than at any time since the Lions drafted Harrington with the No. 3 pick in 2002.


    "In the impatient world of the NFL, it's been three seasons now and we haven't been winning as much as a lot of people would like, myself included," Harrington said. "So you look for ways to get better and if Jeff provides that safety net . . . that's a good pickup."


    NOTEBOOK: Harrington said wide receiver Roy Williams, who had ankle surgery at the end of the season, is already running routes in the off-season workouts . . . Linebacker Derrick Johnson of Texas and defensive end/linebacker Shawne Merriman of Maryland, both highly regarded draft prospects, visited the Lions on Tuesday, fueling speculation the team will try to land a defensive player with the No. 10 pick . . . The NFL is expected to announce the 2005 schedule today. The NFL Network will carry a two-hour show (2-4 p.m.) focusing on the schedule.

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