Originally posted by Big Train
Here the point YOU refuse to see:
They are coming for US, they have been provoking this for years (feel like I have said this a hundred times). They WANT this.
For "years"?? As in the years when Bush Sr invaded Iraq and then left troops permanently in Saudi Arabia? Hasn't Bin Laden himself gone on record as saying that's what made him flip over from a CIA employee to a "jihad warrior against the infidel Great Satan"
You want to talk Iraq, I will for the hundreth time tell you why I think we are there. Stability. We needed a place for a base of operations. None of those countries were gonna let us in and the places we were wanted us out. So you just want to play defense and hide and hope they don't go after portland or points north, i get it.
Again, WHY???
What fucking legitimate reason do US Troops have for a "base of operations" in the Middle East? What legitimate reason is there for US troops to be ANYWHERE outside of the borders of the United States of America?
Iraq was that place as we felt we could "get" them on WMD's and violations. That wasn't spelled out on national TV for obvious reasons, although some less obvious types constantly whine about what IS on TV. Anyway, Iraq provided that place to work out from, where terrorists could come to us instead of here (which isn't to say attacks would not continue here FYI). It's better to fight them in their house, not ours.
Not if being in their house is what made them hate us in the first place. If foreign troops invited themselves onto US shores, you think they would be welcomed with "hearts and flowers" like PNAC assured us our troops would be in Iraq?
Iraq was never a threat to this country br any stretch of the imagination.
Being in the general area of the middle east in the coming years, working towards making less of a military prescense and more of a covert prescene is what is being shot for I am sure. They are doing the best they can in helping Iraq develop itself, but it is Iraq's responsibility, one they actually WANT. THAT IS WHY WE ARE THERE. This thing is going to be going on for a long time no matter what. It is a generational thing, so let's be real about it.