Is it OK to torture in the name of democracy?
It's way worse than previously reported.
FBI Agents Complained of Prisoner Abuse, Records Say
The FBI complained that military interrogators had gone beyond the restrictions of the Geneva Convention that prohibit torture; the agents cited Bush administration guidelines that permit the use of dogs and other techniques to harass prisoners.
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holding a dog on enemy combatants vs. mass chemical warfare ...give me a break
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The Geneva Convention doesn't apply to these idiots. It's for nations you fucking cunt!
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Iraq isn't a nation?Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
The Geneva Convention doesn't apply to these idiots. It's for nations you fucking cunt!
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You conservatives seem to think that you can just make stuff up. Why is that?Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
The Geneva Convention doesn't apply to these idiots. It's for nations you fucking cunt!
Iraq's army isn't fighting us.
Ford...I thought you were smarter than that.
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Iraq's army isn't fighting us.
Ford...I thought you were smarter than that.
I didn't think you were smarter than this. Who the fuck do you think is fighting us? Where the hell do you think the 1000s of army members went when we de-activated them? How do they and their families eat?
I believe what you are saying is that we aren't fighting a formal, organized army. But we are. It's just playing by rules we're not used to and didn't prepare for. We had plenty of opportunity to learn and prepare, we just didn't.
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There's no formal declaration, so it's not a nation vs nation. It's a bunch of ragheads that have been usurping the world's cash only to build the largest terrorist network that would make the CIA, KGB, MI5 and the Mossad blush!
They hid behind goodwill gestures and political manuvering, but let someone try to rid the world of this type of scum and look who comes to protect them and call US the "bad guys"! If putting panties and dog leashes on those rat bastards is the most you have to worry about then settle down...the grown-ups will solve the problems for you. Stop playing in your diapers and throwing it against the wall to see what sticks.
I'll be the first to apologize to you and your ilk because this conflict wasn't over before your bedtime. The fact that the insurgents are streaming across the borders into Iraq show me just how desperate THEY are. They don't want democracy to thrive in that region. Freedom, once it takes root there will expose the governments in that regions for the overbearing tyrants they are. You go ahead and moan about the body counts and notion that we're all alone over there. We're fighting an enemy that's backed up against the wall and will kill their own nationals to get to us. Think about how fucked up that really is before you talk about how organized they are. They're running scared, running low on support, low on morale and if Bin Laden is their spokesman and you still want to badmouth the coalition effort over there, then why don't YOU take up arms against us over there too!
It doesn't matter, the Iraqi insurgents are considered "Partisans" or a guerilla army under the Geneva Conventions. That's why the CIA and FBI are the first to decry the treatment of prisoners whether they are Iraqis or not.Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
There's no formal declaration, so it's not a nation vs nation. It's a bunch of ragheads that have been usurping the world's cash only to build the largest terrorist network that would make the CIA, KGB, MI5 and the Mossad blush!
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Originally posted by Nickdfresh
It doesn't matter, the Iraqi insurgents are considered "Partisans" or a guerilla army under the Geneva Conventions. That's why the CIA and FBI are the first to decry the treatment of prisoners whether they are Iraqis or not.
Answer me this Nick, if Saddam planned to fight an insurgency after his Republican Guard crumbled, and he specifically trained and paraded the Saddam Fedayeen, AND, once we attacked Iraq the army evaporated back into society, AND we knew ( or know now at least) that this was the plan, then how could you not label the insurgency as an army? The Iraqi Army? The very clearly are. Just because they ditched the tanks and uniforms doesn't mean anything.
This shit ain't rocket science people.
edit: I want to make it clear I'm agreeing with you, just going at it from a weird angle...
Read up on the Geneva Convention Nick.
Why don't you read it for me.Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Read up on the Geneva Convention Nick.
Here, I'll even help:
From the hated UN
Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War
Adopted on 12 August 1949 by the Diplomatic Conference for the Establishment of
International Conventions for the Protection of Victims of War, held in Geneva
from 21 April to 12 August, 1949
entry into force 21 October 1950
PART I
GENERAL PROVISIONS
Article 1
The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances.
Article 2
In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peace time, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.
The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance.
Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations. They shall furthermore be bound by the Convention in relation to the said Power, if the latter accepts and applies the provisions thereof.
Article 3
In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:
1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.
To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
(b) Taking of hostages;
(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;
(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.
2. The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.
An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict.
The Parties to the conflict should further endeavour to bring into force, by means of special agreements, all or part of the other provisions of the present Convention.
The application of the preceding provisions shall not affect the legal status of the Parties to the conflict.
Article 4
A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:
1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.
2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:
(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
(c) That of carrying arms openly;
(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
Last edited by Nickdfresh; 12-30-2004 at 10:48 AM.
When did Congress pass the declaration of war?
http://www.american-partisan.com/col.../qtr1/0225.htm
http://www.showmenews.com/2004/Jun/20040620News016.asp
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in624915.shtml
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/7624
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/18/saudi.kidnap/
And you're worried about panties and a fucking dog leash?
When have they EVER lived up to any UN action? Do you really believe in your paper-thin mind that they would honor the Geneva Convention?
Road side bombs ring a bell?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Check out the body count here!
http://massgraves.info/ Where was your "humanity" and "outrage"?
Last edited by DrMaddVibe; 12-30-2004 at 11:08 AM.
'Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
When did Congress pass the declaration of war?
That's what I want to know! Who should go to jail for conducting an illegal war overseas?!
Most of the men in Abu Ghaireb were not involved in the insurgency! The sexual humiliation was a tactic to blackmail muslim men to infiltrate guerilla groups and to be our spies!Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
http://www.american-partisan.com/col.../qtr1/0225.htm
http://www.showmenews.com/2004/Jun/20040620News016.asp
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in624915.shtml
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/7624
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/18/saudi.kidnap/
And you're worried about panties and a fucking dog leash?
When have they EVER lived up to any UN action? Do you really believe in your paper-thin mind that they would honor the Geneva Convention?
Road side bombs ring a bell?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Check out the body count here!
http://massgraves.info/ Where was your "humanity" and "outrage"?
Read This Thread
Those insurgents should send us Ramadon cards for that scandel, we did them a huge favor for recruitment!
A Foriegn Fighters Tale
Use another color for links when you quote, Nick. I don't need a migraine today. I already have pneumonia and must refrain from drinking to let the drugs work.Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Most of the men in Abu Ghaireb were not involved in the insurgency! The sexual humiliation was a tactic to blackmail muslim men to infiltrate guerilla groups and to be our spies!
Read This Thread
Those insurgents should send us Ramadon cards for that scandel, we did them a huge favor for recruitment!
A Foriegn Fighters Tale
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Originally posted by Nickdfresh
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That's what I want to know! Who should go to jail for conducting an illegal war overseas?!
OH! So you want the Geneva Convention without a war now...I see!
It doesn't work like that. The gloves are off and if they feel the need to behead westerners then I'd tell them to get used to wearing dog collars!
SO THAT'S why your posts have been deranged and filled with piss -n- vineger lately!Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Use another color for links when you quote, Nick. I don't need a migraine today. I already have pneumonia and must refrain from drinking to let the drugs work.
And you ASKED ME to read the Geneva Convention!Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
OH! So you want the Geneva Convention without a war now...I see!
It doesn't work like that. The gloves are off and if they feel the need to behead westerners then I'd tell them to get used to wearing dog collars!
Yes I did...keep reading. Also look into when it applies. Stop seeing only what you want to see.
You lack a clue! I won't do your critical thinking for you Busheep!Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Yes I did...keep reading. Also look into when it applies. Stop seeing only what you want to see.
You lack the ability to comprehend what you read!
Tell me again how not "Declaring War," which is illegal in itself in a protracted conflict, makes us immune from the Geneva convention.Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
You lack the ability to comprehend what you read!
Consider, I suppose, if two cops come and drag you out of your house and beat the fuck out of you and and extract a confession, then say, "It's all legal because we didn't actually ARREST you," then tell me all about reading comprehension.
Because that's pretty much what has happened.
DrMaddVibe is the perfect example of the American ego out of control. The notion that America can do no wrong is just ridiculous. This mentallity is at the very root of Bin Laden's reasons for attacking us.
So it's wrong for Saddam to torture, but the U.S. has torture carte blanche!?! We are creating a whole new generation of terrorists, you dummy!
The point of my original post: The great conservative double standard is alive and well. Thank you DrSaddVibe for proving my point.
And then you sucked my balls.
You still don't have a set of balls...CUNT. What you have is attention deficit issues and a knack for being an attention whore. Your bender about neo-con's this and that isn't bringing home one soldier or stopping Bin Laden from ordering another train attack.
Perhaps this will help...http://washingtontimes.com/functions...-104948-9712r+
It's really obvious who has and who hasn't been in the US military.
You are citing reactionary shithead "Jonah Goldberg" from the Moonie TimesOriginally posted by DrMaddVibe
You still don't have a set of balls...CUNT. What you have is attention deficit issues and a knack for being an attention whore. Your bender about neo-con's this and that isn't bringing home one soldier or stopping Bin Laden from ordering another train attack.
Perhaps this will help...http://washingtontimes.com/functions...-104948-9712r+
It's really obvious who has and who hasn't been in the US military., is that your source for legality? No wonder we are losing the War!
Notice I did say...perhaps and help.
Nick, you're bent on comforting and aiding the enemy for reasons only known to you. I won't. I don't waste a single breath regarding the care and welfare of enemy combatants and the hospility we shower them with. They're not worth it.
Be glad that Bush is there in the White House and not me because I'd rather apologize to the globe about using nuclear weapons in that region than house and feed one of them!
*yawn*
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Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Notice I did say...perhaps and help.
Nick, you're bent on comforting and aiding the enemy for reasons only known to you. I won't. I don't waste a single breath regarding the care and welfare of enemy combatants and the hospility we shower them with. They're not worth it.
No. Just denying the 'enemy' propoganda and recruitment videos to get more fighters and kill more Americans, not that we ever should have gone to Iraq in the first place. We, YOU, don't even know who the enemy is!
Be glad that Bush is there in the White House and not me because I'd rather apologize to the globe about using nuclear weapons in that region than house and feed one of them!
No. I'll never be glad about bumkin' Dubya', and if you nuked the Middle East, all that oil would be worthless, and your oil special interests would be very upset!
Anyone trying to draw a comparison between US and THEM and/or Bush and Saddam is an idiot. Period...
How insightful.Originally posted by TLR
Anyone trying to draw a comparison between US and THEM and/or Bush and Saddam is an idiot. Period...
Stick to the subject, scrotum breath.Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
You still don't have a set of balls...CUNT. What you have is attention deficit issues and a knack for being an attention whore.
And torturing Iraqi's is? And And Iraq had what to do with Bin Laden? Didn't GW say that he wasn't concerned with Bin Laden's whereabouts?Your bender about neo-con's this and that isn't bringing home one soldier or stopping Bin Laden from ordering another train attack.
So you did laundry on some military base... how does that make you an expert on foreign relations?It's really obvious who has and who hasn't been in the US military.
And then you sucked my balls some more. Your lips must be terribly chapped by now!
Yeah, let's not give any thought to the situation. Let's just blow up them damn Muslums! They suck, we don't! God like us more! Yeeehaw!Originally posted by TLR
Anyone trying to draw a comparison between US and THEM and/or Bush and Saddam is an idiot. Period...
What a retard!
What a bunch of macho bullshit. You have a confederate flag in the back window of your el camino, don't you?Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Be glad that Bush is there in the White House and not me because I'd rather apologize to the globe about using nuclear weapons in that region than house and feed one of them!
But Mr. President, you will also have to consider the reaction of the other nuclear nations. Your over inflated ego is not strong enough to protect the homeland. This shows how narrow your thinking is. Put down the Sean Hannity book and sign up for the National Guard.
And then you sucked my balls.
How about how intelligent or common-sense based? I stand by my original opinion...Originally posted by Nickdfresh
How insightful.
How about they both break the law freely and both have killed over 100,000 Iraqis? Mmmm...No comparison there. I'm tired of hearing the conervative spin on this 'War of Liberation' for the Iraqis! Each week sees a new justification for this war, and all are easily refuted. Fucking mess!Originally posted by TLR
How about how intelligent or common-sense based? I stand by my original opinion...
Last edited by Nickdfresh; 12-30-2004 at 12:46 PM.
Actually labia liberal...I abhor the confederate flag.
I think I understand your fascination with people on a bulletin board and you somehow believing that your "balls" are being sucked. You're fucking retarded!
You chose a moniker that somehow makes you out to be the big puss you claim you aren't!
I'd really like to hear from you and Nick and the other Us/Them( what should we call it "we"?!?) einstein and hear what you would do NOW about the situation in Iraq/Afghanistan and the war on terrorism. So far I've heard a lot of complaining but no ideas about a different way to handle the problems facing us. See, I believe that Iraq was the "purse" for these rat bastards. Denying them their money and enforcing the UN to act on issues they stated they would are positives to me. They're on the run and desperate to overturn the election process and denying the Iraq citizens of protecting themselves by constantly selecting the police stations/army bases/training camps as bombing targets.
Let's hear what YOU would do.
Oops, so sorry. I just today began to think about this subject.Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
Yeah, let's not give any thought to the situation. Let's just blow up them damn Muslums! They suck, we don't! God like us more! Yeeehaw!
What a retard!
I also apologize for saying we should "blow up them damn Muslums (sic)" and "They suck, we don't! God like (sic) us more!" Oh, wait. I didn't say those things.
I suppose this is where I should amend my original statement to say: FUCKING idiot.
Is this the point in time where I'm supposed to bow to your intellectual superiority? I'm trying to stifle a giggle here...
You could start by NOT CONFUSING IRAQ WITH AFGHANISTAN AND NOT LUMPING IT IN WITH THE WAR ON TERROR. Gee, maybe I would have started by NOT INVADING IRAQ for NOT attacking us! And focused my efforts on Osama Bin Laden. Gosh! How can one complain?!Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
I'd really like to hear from you and Nick and the other Us/Them( what should we call it "we"?!?) einstein and hear what you would do NOW about the situation in Iraq/Afghanistan and the war on terrorism....
Let's hear what YOU would do.
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