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    Talking FARGO ROCK CITY: Another music journalist KNOWS DAVE IS VAN HALEN!

    FARGO ROCK CITY: A Heavy Metal Odyssey in Rural North Dakota

    A friend lent me this book and I read it over the weekend. Very cool look at 80's METAL(The real deal AND Hair Metal!). Very well written and VERY funny!

    CLASSIC VAN HALEN is put upon the same pedestal as LED ZEPPELIN & Black Sabbath.

    While the book concentrates on the guys favorite band, Shout ERA Motley Crue, VH is mentioned several times. A few excerps:

    "A lot of the credit(for the popularity of Van Halen) must go to DAVID LEE ROTH. Roth is not a "musician", but he always understood the bottom line: If Eddie had decided to become Pete Townshend, DAVID LEE ROTH would have never become DAVID LEE ROTH. And---as is so often the case--one man's selfishness ultimately worked to the benefit of EVERYBODY. Roth demanded that VAN HALEN had to be about a lifestyle, specifically HIS lifestyle (or even more specifically, a lifestyle where you tired to have sex with anything in heels). Philosophically, his sophomoric antics limited Eddie: Mr. Van Halen really couldn't develop his classical virtuosity when his frontman was trying to hump the mic stand and scream like Tarzan. But in tangible terms, it MADE Eddie BETTER. Instead of being an artist trying to make art, Eddie was forced to become an artist trying to make noise---and the end result was STUNNING. Within the stark simplicity of "Jamie's Cryin'," you can hear the shackled complexity of a genius. It has more artistic power than anything he could have done consciously. And that was obvious to just about everyone, including drug-addled teenagers. It's no coincidence that the CIRCUS magazine reader's poll cited Van Halen as "Disappointment of the Year" in 1985, '86, '87', and '88 (the four years following Roth's departure)."

    On comparing Clapton and his pupil:

    "Listening to Clapton is like getting a sensual massage from a woman you've loved for the past ten years; listening to (CLASSIC) Van Halen is like having the best sex of your life with three foxy nursing students you met at a Tastee Freez. This is why rock historians and intellectuals feel comfortable lionizing Eric Clapton, even though every credible guy in the world will play Van Halen tapes when his wife isn't around."

    on JUMP:

    "It took Van Halen five years to before they threw caution to the wind and admitted they were a boderline keyboard band. Eddie Van Halen insists "Jump" could have been made in the late 1970's, but DAVID LEE ROTH refused to cooperate. Why? Because sythetic music was NOT HARD ROCK.
    On paper, this debate seems like complete nonsense. But it's a crystal-clear example of why EVERY TRUE METAL FAN IN THE WORLD took ROTH's side when he split with the rest of Van Halen. Dave didn't think like a musician; he thought like a ROCK GUY. He understood the VILE DEPRAVITY of keyboard metal."
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    Great fucking post man. Fargo Rock City huh? I am gonna have to check that out some time.

    DLR fucking rules!
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    Great post!!! 5 starts for ya!

    ...When Dave left, he handed EVH a shovel to dig his own musical grave...

    ...And them came the clown and EVH's sister. They might as well have brought in a backhoe...
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    And, there's more!

    "Perhaps the smartest statement ever made about the video medium was written by Rob Sheffield in SPIN's ten-year anniversary issue: "Van Halen's 1984 'Jump' was a self-directed, relatively low-budget video. Van Halen's 1991 'Right Now' was a tasteful, clever, sterile montage of special graphics that looked exactly the same when it became a soft-drink commercial. 'Jump' lives in the soul of everybody who has seen it, while 'Right Now' represents MTV's idealized vision of itself as a serious art medium."
    "The video for "Right Now" couldn't possibly make viewers like Van Halen any more than they already did, and it probably made some of them like Van Halen less (if they thought it was BORING or PRETENTIOUS, or if they really hated Pepsi). But "Jump" made me LOVE Van Halen. It was like going to a club and stumbling across the coolest band in town: You saw the group's personality, you had something to look at while the catchy hook was latently hardwired into your brain, and you got THE IDEA. And what was "the idea"? The easy answer is "nothing"---but the REAL answer is "everything that was ever perfect about Van HAlen and Rock 'n' roll. I could never explain why so many people like Van Halen, but anyone who has seen "Jump" can figure it out."

    On the PANAMA video:

    "Once again, the early template for this creation (the "live without an audience video) comes from Van Halen. The video for "Panama" opened with a massive shot of VH playing before the kind of crowd ONLY THEY could draw; it clearly outlined who was the BIGGEST BAND IN THE LAND. The onstage action in "Panama" focused on the band members hanging from cables and swinging across the stage, capturing the wild (but still boyishly playful) Van Halen image. The band had actually made a primitive live video for "Unchained" in 1981, but "Panama" was a far better representation of the band's rambunctious personality.
    The strength of "Panama" is that the concert footage is not overused; in fact, it's underused. The problem with most performance videos is that they're usually less than five minutes long, but they still get boring. "Panama" does not, and that's due to the non-live footage that creates a goofy, non sequitur story line.
    Director Pete Angelus had a good grasp on what made DAVID LEE ROTH appealing. He understood that ROTH was a clown, but not necessarily a joke. DAVE might to something stupid, but he didn't do stuff that was dorky. The most memorable shot from "Panama" is ROTH getting dragged out of a hotel by police, wearing only handcuffs and a towel. The offense is never explained, but it's obviously illegal and it obviously involved nudity. Seconds later, ROTH is back drinking Budweiser with the posse and doing karate kicks in public. That kind of paradox was '84 VAN HALEN personified: One minute you're arrested for snorting coke off a hooker's ass; the next minute you're hoisted on a bungee cord in front of twenty-two thousand people."
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    Excellent assessment of the Panama video!

    I've actually already read this book, he has another "sex, drugs, and cocoa puffs" which is even better. I've even met him, b/c we both live and work in NYC and I have friends who write at SPIN.

    Apparently, from what Klosterman toild me, Roth regularly has a steak dinner (with three glasses of water) like five minutes from where I live whenever he is done with his weekly flying lesson. Yes, he's a singer, an entertainer, a paramedic, and a pilot. Where does he find the time? Well, he's neither a husband nor a father.

    Well, maybe a father....
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    And some more.....


    "What's great about rock music (and specifically heavy metal) is that the consumer is more important than the product itself. Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins once said that Van Halen is infinitely better than an "important" band like Sonic Youth because Van Halen's music was for everybody. No one was excluded from the party. When you apply Corgan's philosophy to a song like Van Halen's "Feel Your Love Tonight." it says a lot about what it meant to be a teenager in 1978(Corgan would try to personally recapture a similar emotion in the song "1979", which---somewhat ironically---sounded a lot like a slowed-down Sonic Youth single). Van Halen's vibe was directed at EVERYBODY, and a huge chunk of that everybody liked it. It made sense, and it was embraced. The universal acceptance of Van Halen helps us understand the culture that spawned it. Without trying, it has more social and intellectual value than anything Thurston Moore ever tired to teach us."


    On Diver Down:

    "Though I can understand why some fans take umbrage with the amount of unoriginal material on this project, I think that's an asinine complaint. Van Halen USED to be the GREATEST cover band in the world, and that means a lot. At its core, the beauty of VAN HALEN is NOT eddie's virtuosity or the strength of its incredible rhythm section; the beauty of VAN HALEN is that they WERE FUN. Along with side two of VAN HALEN II, this was as fun as it ever got.
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    And just a little more;

    "Every so often, guitar magazines come out with a list that's usually titled something like---"The 100 Greatest Axe Gods___Ever!" Sometimes Edward Van Halen is number one on the list, and sometimes he's number two behind Jimmi Hendrix. The Eddie-Jimmi battle goes back and forth from poll to poll. Ironically, Eddie always seems to fall back to number 2(Wow, what about that RS Poll?!?) anytime Van Halen releases a new record. This is because almost EVERY new Van Halen album is horrifically disappointing. But Eddie still scores very well when-ever people are WAITING for a new Van Halen CD, because it makes all those young guitar hopefuls harken back to "Eruption."

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    Stellar read Matt!!!

    How were (with the exception of manana) the holidays my friend?
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    EXCELLENT Max!!! Hope you and the Family had a excellent CHRISTMAS!

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    Wow Matt! Thanks for sharing all of that with us! great stuff!

    great line right here..."Director Pete Angelus had a good grasp on what made DAVID LEE ROTH appealing. He understood that ROTH was a clown, but not necessarily a joke."
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    Originally posted by Matt White
    EXCELLENT Max!!! Hope you and the Family had a excellent CHRISTMAS!
    Glad to hear it and thanks cos we did.

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    I loved this: "Dave didn't think like a musician; he thought like a ROCK GUY. He understood the VILE DEPRAVITY of keyboard metal."

    AMEN!

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    thats one of my favorite pics...thanks again Matt

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    Some cool snippets there Matt, thanks Man !
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    Re: FARGO ROCK CITY: Another music journalist KNOWS DAVE IS VAN HALEN!

    Originally posted by Matt White
    listening to (CLASSIC) Van Halen is like having the best sex of your life with three foxy nursing students you met at a Tastee Freez.

    Yes, it has a similar effect on me.
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    Nice avatar NG!

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    Originally posted by diamondsgirl
    Nice avatar NG!
    Thanks. I've had that pic over 20 years. From back in the days before internet when you had to buy bootleg concert pics from the back of Circus Magazine. LOL.

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    Dave is schmokin' in that pic!

    Of course, Dave is always hot!

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    Hey DG and NG,

    Happy New Year to both of you lovely ladies!!!

    I wish both of you nothing but a stellar 2005.

    Be safe for me ok?

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    I'll be a little too safe...and it sucks.
    but, thanks! you too Maximus!
    Go easy on the marky mark, mmmkay?

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    No Marky Mark for me tonight. This sounds strange but you know what I'm really craving? A friggin' frozen margarita. LOL!!! I haven't had one in ages but it sure sounds good. I'll toast you at midnight your time ok?

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    sounds good, Max!

    Have fun.

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    Originally posted by diamondsgirl
    Dave is schmokin' in that pic!

    Of course, Dave is always hot!

    Sooooooooooo hot !! Take a closer look. :p

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    Thanks DG and look at it this way, at least you KNOW you won't have a hangover tomorrow.

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    Originally posted by MAX
    Happy New Year to both of you lovely ladies!!!
    Thanks, Max. Same to you. Have a drink for me !!

    Originally posted by MAX
    I wish both of you nothing but a stellar 2005.
    That's the plan. Here's hoping!!

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    Originally posted by Northern Girl
    Sooooooooooo hot !! Take a closer look. :p
    And just like that! I have a new favorite pic!

    Is he beautiful or what????

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    look at the way his hair falls on his back! grrrr....

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    Originally posted by diamondsgirl
    And just like that! I have a new favorite pic!

    Is he beautiful or what????
    Be sure to snag it for keeps !!

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    Originally posted by Northern Girl
    Thanks, Max. Same to you. Have a drink for me !!
    I'll toast you too.



    That's the plan. Here's hoping!!
    You will, just keep being positive and everything will be alright.

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    Good call, this is a fucking great book.

    I saw the author on VH-1 on 'My Best Years' the Metalheads.
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    Thanks for the book quotes, Matt! Looks like it will be a good read. Great thread.
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    Originally posted by diamondsgirl
    Wow Matt! Thanks for sharing all of that with us! great stuff!

    great line right here..."Director Pete Angelus had a good grasp on what made DAVID LEE ROTH appealing. He understood that ROTH was a clown, but not necessarily a joke."

    For those of us who are unawares, "director Pete Anglelus" is none other than Pete Picasso, the "fuggetaboudit, Dave" guy.

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    Great stuff, Matt. The DIVER DOWN quote hit it on the head. Funny how it's always the Sam-heads that thought that album was a failure. A true Dave fan will also love DIVER DOWN. I think it's classic because it has Dave's personality all over it.

    Good quotes.
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    That said it pretty well. It was like Dave included you in the party. It was fun for everybody. That was his idea.
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    Another liner-boatful of thanx, MISTA Matt!! Your archives are definitely exxxxcellent.
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