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  1. 01-21-2005, 02:22 PM #1
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    Ray Luzier is overrated

    I have to get this off my chest. Ray Luzier is simply overrated. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's bad, but he is overrated. He is very very average. I've met him several times and he is without a doubt one hell of a nice guy. I just think reviews saying he's as good as Alex are absurd. On the other hand, I've met Alex and he has the personality of a tree stump. Dave is the best front man and will make any band look sensational. I think Brian and Dave however are the primary members of this band. Brian today is as good as ed today.
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    Hey fuckhead,

    Did the steelers sign Charles Haley yet?
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    Average?! Once again you show the depth of your musical knowledge. Let me re-phrase that for you. YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT. HOWS MINTO?!
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    Originally posted by WARF
    Hey fuckhead,

    Did the steelers sign Charles Haley yet?
    No, but they're taking a hard look at Butkus........he's looking for 10 years at 75 mil..........
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    Luzier is way better than Bissonette ..at playing rock
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    Re: Ray Luzier is overrated

    Originally posted by THUNDERROCKS
    I have to get this off my chest. I'm really, very gay. Don't get me wrong, I don't think anal is bad, but vaginas are overrated. My boyfriend is very very average. I've met him several times and he is without a doubt one hell of a nice guy. I just think reviews saying he's as good as Alex at probing my rectum are absurd. On the other hand, I've met Alex and he has a wang the size of a tree stump. Boy George is the best front man and will make any band look sensational. I think George Michael and Michael Jackson however are the primary members of this band of merry fire helmet polishers. I am as gay today as I ever was.
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    LMAO...great attachment Nick!
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    hey thunderblocks,

    you reek of joey thunderLESS dogshit.

    go back to your gay porn head fluffing.
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    GLAD YOU GOT THAT OFF YOUR CHEST.NOW IF YOU CAN GET ALEXS NUTS OFF YOUR CHIN YOU WILL HAVE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING(dammit,im screamin again)
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    Ray Luzier is a damn fine drummer...end of FUCKING STORY.
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    Originally posted by THUNDERROCKS
    I have to get this off my chest. Ray Luzier is simply overrated. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's bad, but he is overrated. He is very very average. I've met him several times and he is without a doubt one hell of a nice guy. I just think reviews saying he's as good as Alex are absurd. On the other hand, I've met Alex and he has the personality of a tree stump. Dave is the best front man and will make any band look sensational. I think Brian and Dave however are the primary members of this band. Brian today is as good as ed today.
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    Gee Joey,

    Feeling the Love?

    Hey, check out the wall for your SPP stock tip update.

    Joey thought because a stock went up .17 that meant 17% !!!!!!!!

    dolt.

    And just like Brian Minto, Ray Luzier has never met or heard of you either fuckwad.
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    Ray Luzier is great on DLR Band, but his live sound is bad and he doesn't know the Van Halen material very well...
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    Originally posted by ELVIS
    Ray Luzier is great on DLR Band, but his live sound is bad and he doesn't know the Van Halen material very well...
    Really.

    Live sound is bad?

    What are you basing this expert opinion on? Technique?, miking?, perhaps mixing? Or do you think he's just not tuning his heads properly? Equipment?

    Gimme a break:p

    Unless you've toured as his tech, you calling his live sound "bad" from whatever nose bleed cheap seat you caught him the one or two times is ridiculous.

    I love critics.

    YOU do a few tours of that caliber and come talk to me.
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    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
    Really.



    What are you basing this expert opinion on? Technique?, miking?, perhaps mixing? Or do you think he's just not tuning his heads properly? Equipment?
    Actually, from what boots I've listened to and the shows I've attended, I believe he uses a triggered electronic drum sound...

    Also, his snare sound is terrable...
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    Originally posted by ELVIS
    Actually, from what boots I've listened to and the shows I've attended, I believe he uses a triggered electronic drum sound...

    Also, his snare sound is terrable...
    Basing your opinion on Boots?

    That's like me basing your health on your avatar

    Aint you dead?
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    Re: Ray Luzier is overrated

    Originally posted by THUNDERROCKS
    I have to get this off my chest. Ray Luzier is simply overrated.
    If something like that has been wearing and tearing at ya, I'd say you're in pretty good shape.

    Most people would have heavier stuff they wanted to "unload".....people asking for a bag for a pack of gum at the seven eleven, the way the steering wheel shimmys from side to side at a certain speed, how the hot plate on the coffee maker is too hot.....relevant shit like that.

    Cuntsider yourself the zip-a-dee-doo-da, Bobby Mc Ferrin cock-sucking, carefree troll of the year.

    I'd guess there's probably heavier stuff you need to get off your chest....namely overpaid homeless flistafucks depositing cleveland steamers like a concrete truck.

    You suck,
    Your thread sucks.
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    Originally posted by ELVIS
    Actually, from what boots I've listened to and the shows I've attended, I believe he uses a triggered electronic drum sound...

    Also, his snare sound is terrable...
    Considering all of those boots have been audience recordings, it's really hard to seperate the drum sound from the acoustics of the building when it comes down to the finer details.

    I saw the DLR Band in 2001, 2002, and 2003, great seats at every show, and I would take Ray over Alex (post 1984) any time

    In fact, if Dave could find a bass player who could duplicate Mikey's classic VH harmonies, the DLR Band would be a better Van Halen than Van Halen.
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    Originally posted by FORD
    Considering all of those boots have been audience recordings...
    Not all...

    Cato has some soundboard boots...
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    I have to get this off my chest. Ray Luzier is simply overrated. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's bad, but he is overrated. He is very very average. I've met him several times and he is without a doubt one hell of a nice guy. I just think reviews saying he's as good as Alex are absurd. On the other hand, I've met Alex and he has the personality of a tree stump. Dave is the best front man and will make any band look sensational. I think Brian and Dave however are the primary members of this band. Brian today is as good as ed today.
    Man, I don't want to be mean with you but... Luzier is very good, you should ask a buddy drummer and he will give you a confirmation.

    Remember that Ray Luzier doesn't need to show off.

    I remember a common mistake I did until sometime ago. I was listening to the Police and Andy Summers' guitar playing. I said to myself "Well, Andy Summers is average at best, his part are very easy". But then, I got a boot recording which comprised the early punk song "The Fall Out", and he did a lightning fast solo. My jaw dropped. For the rest of the bootleg, all he did was the usual reggae simple shit. Moral is: don't judge the actual skills of a drummer by the song he's playing; even the most underrated musician can surprise you.
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    Originally posted by John Holmes
    Man, I don't want to be mean with you but...
    Be mean with him. Everyone else is, because he's a racist pedophile asshole.
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    Originally posted by FORD
    Be mean with him. Everyone else is, because he's a racist pedophile asshole.

    Other than that he's a great guy though.
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    He doesn't know the VH material???

    Pardon??!?

    How could he know MORE about the VH material???
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    Originally posted by academic punk
    He doesn't know the VH material???

    Pardon??!?

    How could he know MORE about the VH material???

    Exactly. He's been doing the SAME VH packed set for the last few years.
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    ..and doing it wrong...
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    Ray Luzier is underated if anything!
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    Originally posted by ELVIS
    ..and doing it wrong...

    If you mean he's not doing it exactly like Alex did on the record...GOOD!

    A live context brings about a whole different set of circumstances to it, not the least of which being the audience at a Dave show ALWAYS raises the volume and the BPM a bit. Ray responds to that. As does the band (which has two guitars as opposed to one), so the mission isn't to ape Alex, it's to represent the song, and the audience, and the band, etc. To play it as THAT moment demands.

    Tight motherfucker, Luzier. He's on.
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    Whatever dude...

    I acknowleged that he is a fine drummer, but I've known other drummers/Van Halen fans, who could better represent the material...
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    fair enough. we all have our opinions.

    (any names that might be fmailiar? I'm interested in hearing)
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    No, not really...

    One is this guy I played with years ago in Mobile Alabama...

    Big Tommy Aldridge fan who could switch into Alex mode amazingly well...

    Awesome drummer...
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    Originally posted by ELVIS
    Ray Luzier is great on DLR Band, but his live sound is bad and he doesn't know the Van Halen material very well...
    are you fucking kidding me? ray is a master live and has more passion and talent than tommy lee in 84's shout at the devil tour!
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    That's not saying much...
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    Originally posted by ELVIS
    That's not saying much...
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    Originally posted by ELVIS
    Ray Luzier is great on DLR Band, but his live sound is bad and he doesn't know the Van Halen material very well...

    Bro...
    THat statement couldn't be further from the truth.
    Ray is one skin poundin' , stick breakin Mo'Fo
    The guy is awesome... better than Bissonette..
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    Originally posted by academic punk
    the mission isn't to ape Alex, it's to represent the song, and the audience, and the band, etc. To play it as THAT moment demands.

    Tight motherfucker, Luzier. He's on.
    Damn Right! I'd just as soon not have an alex impersonator. Luzier is awesome live!
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    Originally posted by Sarge
    better than Bissonette..
    That, I agree with...
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    Elvis you've seen and heard him live once? At an outside gig years ago?

    Ray does a lot of subtle shit that you notice later not least his amazing ability to hit every backing vocal.

    Your criticisms of him and Brian Young make me think you just want an exact identical copy of the original albums when you go to a show. What's the point in that?

    Cheers!

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    I feel comparing AVH and Ray is a bit dumb. AVH was the man who was creating the original VH magic, and he did a grate job back then. Ray hasn't had the luck to be a part of a band that has been as successful commercially, but the same can be said of thousands of other amazing drummers around the world, some qualified on other areas of music that aren't commercially as popular as rock n' roll, hard rock.

    That doesn't diminish his value or skills as a drummer, or as a franchise member of the DLR Band. I give him, and the fact that while he's displaying grate fill-ins and tricks, he's always having fun and smiling like it's not a big deal at all, full ten points.
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    Originally posted by Seshmeister
    Elvis you've seen and heard him live once? At an outside gig years ago?

    Twice...

    The other time was at a small club in Houma Louisiana...


    Ray does a lot of subtle shit that you notice later not least his amazing ability to hit every backing vocal.

    Haha...

    His backing vocals remind me of the Jimi Hendrix Experience...

    Not in a bad way, though...

    Your criticisms of him and Brian Young make me think you just want an exact identical copy of the original albums when you go to a show. What's the point in that?

    Maybe you're right...

    I can dream, can't I ??

    Cheers!



    Cheers!
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