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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    German jobless rate at new record

    German jobless rate at new record

    BBC


    Unemployment in Germany is at record levels

    More than 5.2 million Germans were out of work in February, new figures show.
    The figure of 5.216 million people, or 12.6% of the working-age population, is the highest jobless rate in Europe's biggest economy since the 1930s.

    The news comes as the head of Germany's panel of government economic advisers predicted growth would again stagnate.

    Speaking on German TV, Bert Ruerup said the panel's earlier forecast of 1.4% was too optimistic and warned growth would be just 1% in 2005.

    "Do something!"

    The growth warning triggered anger even from government supporters, who said the Social Democrat-Green administration of Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder had to do more.

    "We are not going to create more jobs with growth of 1%," Harald Schartau, head of the Social Democrats in the northern state of North Rhine-Westphalia, told ZDF television.

    "We say to our friends in Berlin, you have to persevere and create more impulse for growth."

    Many German newspapers had the figures a day ahead, splashing them with angry headlines on Tuesday morning.


    Mr Schroeder has staked his career on labour reforms
    The mass-market Bild tabloid used red type to splash the phrase, "Do something!" across its front page.




    Anger



    The German government insists its efforts to tackle the stubbornly-high levels of joblessness with a range of labour market reforms are only just getting under way.

    The core is the "Hartz-IV" programme introduced in January to shake up welfare benefits and push people back into work - even if some of the jobs are heavily subsidised.

    According to the Federal Labour Office, the changes have contributed to the rise in the official unemployment rate.

    Some three quarters of February's 180,000 additions to the jobless total were the result of January's reclassification, it said - although it acknowledged the weak economy and cold weather hitting the construction industry were also to blame.

    Different numbers

    Still, some measures suggest the picture is not quite so bleak.

    For one thing, January's reclassification boosted the jobless total by more than 500,000 that month, as many benefit claimants were added to the list for the first time thanks to the new rules.

    Moreover, adjustments for seasonal changes give an overall unemployment level of 4.875 million people or 11.7% - admittedly up 0.3 percentage points from the previous month.

    And the most internationally-accepted methodology, designed by the International Labour Organisation (ILO), says Germany had 3.97 million people out of work in January.

    The ILO defines an unemployed person as someone who in the previous four weeks had actively looked for work they could take up immediately.

    ILO-based figures also suggest that 14,000 new net jobs were created that month, taking the number of people employed to 38.9 million.
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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    #2
    kentuckyklira, the US unemployment rate is what?
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    • BigBadBrian
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Jan 2004
      • 10620

      #3
      I'm surprised legal prostitution as pointed out in this thread hasn't solved the unemployment problem. What the fuck? :confused:
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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49136

        #4
        Originally posted by BigBadBrian
        kentuckyklira, the US unemployment rate is what?
        That's not a fair comparison and you know it! The US authorities, in their infinite wisdom, no longer consider anyone unemployed once their benefits run out. In Germany, their benefits NEVER run out!

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        • DavidLeeNatra
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jan 2004
          • 10704

          #5
          they changed some statistics with the new HARZ IV program and that made the numbers higher...but we really have a serious problem here...more than 5 mio is too much
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          • Vivian Campbell
            Head Fluffer
            • Oct 2004
            • 356

            #6
            Re: German jobless rate at new record

            Originally posted by BigBadBrian
            German jobless rate at new record

            Maybe they can all be hookers
            LMAO!!
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            • Cathedral
              ROTH ARMY ELITE
              • Jan 2004
              • 6620

              #7
              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
              That's not a fair comparison and you know it! The US authorities, in their infinite wisdom, no longer consider anyone unemployed once their benefits run out. In Germany, their benefits NEVER run out!
              Um, if the benefits never run out, where is the incentive to get up and go find a job?
              That could be compounding the problem don't you think?

              Maybe they need to put a time limit on them. For one thing it will save the government money that could possibly be used to create more jobs.

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              • Vivian Campbell
                Head Fluffer
                • Oct 2004
                • 356

                #8
                They need to radically lower taxes, phase out unemployment over a year, halt immigration, and most importantly of all, DEREGULATE!
                The Fat Lady is singing for Van Hagar.

                http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/attac...&postid=392002

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49136

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Cathedral
                  Um, if the benefits never run out, where is the incentive to get up and go find a job?
                  That could be compounding the problem don't you think?

                  Maybe they need to put a time limit on them. For one thing it will save the government money that could possibly be used to create more jobs.
                  Regardless as to how you feel about indefinite unemployment benefits, the point is that the US way of counting the unemployed is flawed and leads to a comically low unemployment figure. So they cannot be used as a comparison with most major, industrialized nations.

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                  • academic punk
                    Full Member Status

                    • Dec 2004
                    • 4437

                    #10
                    You ever notice how arrogant the customer service peole are who are here in America? 4 out of 5 times the person has an accent like a reject from Hee-Haw and a bitchy attitude (the men moreso than the women!)

                    Give me Korean tech support anyday. 10,000,000,000 times more courteous.

                    OUTSOURCING - at least in this regard - RULES!!!

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                    • ODShowtime
                      ROCKSTAR

                      • Jun 2004
                      • 5812

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                      I'm surprised legal prostitution as pointed out in this thread hasn't solved the unemployment problem. What the fuck? :confused:
                      BBB BAIT
                      gnaw on it

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                      • Big Train
                        Full Member Status

                        • Apr 2004
                        • 4011

                        #12
                        It's a global economy, bitches.....

                        Weakness in the dollar means less spending power, which means industrial nations like Germany, or the EU if you will, get burned because they have too much stuff and nobody to sell it too.

                        Their way of handling their workers just compounds the problems.

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                        • Cathedral
                          ROTH ARMY ELITE
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 6620

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          Regardless as to how you feel about indefinite unemployment benefits, the point is that the US way of counting the unemployed is flawed and leads to a comically low unemployment figure. So they cannot be used as a comparison with most major, industrialized nations.
                          I wasn't talking about the US, I was referring to Germany's issues.

                          But as far as the US goes, this country is full of lazy people who try all means possible to get a free ride.
                          And if you want a true record of who's working and who isn't just count the Social Security numbers that are paying into the system.
                          It's a deduction on every paycheck, and for those who use 1099's just match them with the annual 1099's collected in April.

                          Those who work under the table aren't paying into the system and should not be counted.

                          Then, you compare those numbers against the S.S. numbers that aren't paying into the system and there ya go, you know how many people aren't working, or aren't working legally.

                          The US government has a habit of taking the longest way around an issue and spending the most money they can taking their time doing it.
                          And if accuracy isn't a goal, whats the point?
                          Or maybe that was your point, lol.
                          Last edited by Cathedral; 03-01-2005, 10:02 PM.

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                          • JCOOK

                            #14
                            Hey Germany why not fire up the ovens and trains again, There are plenty of anti-semites who would pay you to off some jews so they don't have to blow themselves or their children up,....Now thats' outsourcing!

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                            • kentuckyklira
                              Veteran
                              • Sep 2004
                              • 1770

                              #15
                              Re: German jobless rate at new record

                              Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                              German jobless rate at new record

                              Some three quarters of February's 180,000 additions to the jobless total were the result of January's reclassification, it said - although it acknowledged the weak economy and cold weather hitting the construction industry were also to blame.

                              Different numbers

                              Still, some measures suggest the picture is not quite so bleak.

                              For one thing, January's reclassification boosted the jobless total by more than 500,000 that month, as many benefit claimants were added to the list for the first time thanks to the new rules.

                              Moreover, adjustments for seasonal changes give an overall unemployment level of 4.875 million people or 11.7% - admittedly up 0.3 percentage points from the previous month.

                              And the most internationally-accepted methodology, designed by the International Labour Organisation (ILO), says Germany had 3.97 million people out of work in January.

                              The ILO defines an unemployed person as someone who in the previous four weeks had actively looked for work they could take up immediately.

                              ILO-based figures also suggest that 14,000 new net jobs were created that month, taking the number of people employed to 38.9 million.
                              There, I edited that for you and underlined the most important parts!

                              No need to say thank you,

                              you´re welcome!
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