Solo Dave vs Van Hagar

[hard rock]

We all know that CVH outsold and still outsells Van hagar.

How about Solo Roth Vs Van Hagar?

How did F.U.CK out sell ALAE ?

Or How did Balance out sell YFLM. Any thoughts or ideas?

We all know grunge music killed a lot of 80`s rock bands careers including Roth. How did Van Hagar manage to last a few more years longer.

What did they do that Dave didnt. Food for thought. Any thoughts???

[Bill Lumbergh]

They had the Van Halen name to coast on. Even that started wearing thin, when Van Hagar's album sales dipped and they were opening up for Bon Jovi. A new Van Hagar album now would tank royally.

[Carmine]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
They had the Van Halen name to coast on. Even that started wearing thin, when Van Hagar's album sales dipped and they were opening up for Bon Jovi. A new Van Hagar album now would tank royally.

Spot on Bill...take the last 2 "best ofs"...2 new songs with Dave vs. 3 new songs with Sam.

any questions?

[hard rock]

You have a point about the name. Name has a lot to do with marketing etc etc. But David LEE Roth is a name as well. He has a reputation.

Where did all his die hard fanatics go to during those years. I am talking about those same people who are holding their breath for a CVH reunion. Where did they go and why did they give up on Roth.

They were there for CFTH and EEAS and to a degree Skyscraper???

What happened?????

[Carmine]

Originally posted by hard rock


What happened?????

unfortunatly....the 90"s.

[secrets]

I think Steve Vai and the 'Yankee Rose Band' jumping ship didn't help the situation one bit.

[Bill Lumbergh]

ALAE at least went Gold. YFLM was a BIG departure from what Dave normally did. All I can say is...I never left!

[cwsmith17]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
They had the Van Halen name to coast on. Even that started wearing thin, when Van Hagar's album sales dipped and they were opening up for Bon Jovi. A new Van Hagar album now would tank royally.

I never knew that Van Hagar opened for Bon Jovi.

That is absolutely pathetic!

[Dave's PA Rental]

hummmm...what a fresh, interesting topic that has never been talked about here...[/sarcasm]

[Anonymous]

Well, I never saw this topic before, D-PAR.

I think that what happened was that Van Halen had the name and what they did with 5150 they did it throughout the rest of their albums.

Complete crap.

Davester had the name, but being the eternal kid, he loves experimenting, and that's what he did. Of course, that doesn't suit well with die-hard fans. You know the opinion of some people here about Skyscraper. They think it sucks. Same as with Diamond Dave, an album where Dave wanted to register a couple of his influences, with his own point of view - and also an excuse to finally release 'Ice Cream Man', which he had been sitting on for eight years.

So, what killed Dave commercially was his unwillingness to stop doing real art - real music. Makes sense, methinks.

Cheers! :bottle:

[squib]

[i]
So, what killed Dave commercially was his unwillingness to stop doing real art - real music. Makes sense, methinks.

Cheers! :bottle: [/B]

couldn't agree more. being comercial and being an artist aren't the same thing

[vanzilla]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
ALAE at least went Gold. YFLM was a BIG departure from what Dave normally did. All I can say is...I never left!

Same here Billy. You got to remember that thankns to Nirvana, all the hairbands were dying about the time ALAE came out. Dave unfortunately fell into that category. YFLM was a huge departure form Dave's normal routine, but I rank it as #2 on the Dave Solo Album Chart. I dug it.

[philouze]

I don't give a fuck about album sales..
The point is that I never stopped being a Dave fan, and I Always bought his records the week they were released.

ROTH THE FUCK ON

[jero]

Originally posted by cwsmith17
I never knew that Van Hagar opened for Bon Jovi.

That is absolutely pathetic!

Oh yeah, in Europe (don't know in the US) but the tour for vh was cancelled right after the fifth show or something because of Alex neck problems.

Dave told several European Magazines that he would NEVER open for Bon jovi!

[fe_lung]

They were there for CFTH and EEAS and to a degree Skyscraper???

What happened????? [/B][/QUOTE]

VH was also a power ballad band by that point, as opposed to Dave who was all over the place. Rock, blues, vegas....

[fanofdave]

dave never lost me as a fan. i don't care if his albums
only sell a few 100k, i'm there getting my copy.

[hard rock]

All good points everyone!!!!! Were all pretty clever and smart over here at the Roth army!!!!!!

I to did not abandon Dave during those years. Its just annoying when people ask you hey man have you bought any new cd`s lately and i am like yeah i got the new David Lee Roth and then they go shit is he still around? i havent heard anything from his since like 88 or something.

Then i tell them about ALAE, YFLM, Best Off, DLR and Diamond Dave and then they go i never heard of those albums???

i would have bought them if i knew. Which ladies and gentleman goes back to another topic i brought up once here about marketing.

[Nickdfresh]

It's the PINK FLOYD analogy stupid! Hardly anyone buys ROGER WATERS despite that fact that he wrote the majority of FLOYD's music and lyrics! Waterless STINK VOID like "The Division (Hell)" outsells WATERS' solo stuff even though WATERS is far more interesting and creative.

It's just the name of a brand, it's like when Cadillac basically took a Chevy Cavalier and spruced it up, then slapped a Cadi logo on it! It's still just a shit car with a nice logo.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
It's the PINK FLOYD analogy stupid! Hardly anyone buys ROGER WATERS despite that fact that he wrote the majority of FLOYD's music and lyrics! Waterless STINK VOID like "The Division (Hell)" outsells WATERS' solo stuff even though WATERS is far more interesting and creative.

It's just the name of a brand, it's like when Cadillac basically took a Chevy Cavalier and spruced it up, then slapped a Cadi logo on it! It's still just a shit car with a nice logo.

Excellent post bro. Nuff said.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
Excellent post bro. Nuff said.

Um, thank you Mr. Lumbergh. Does this mean I don't have to work this Saturday?

[hard rock]

I know name brand has a lot to do with it but Thousands and yes even millions of CVH Fans know who Roth is and should be ready to go when they hear the name David Lee Roth.

Its almost like those fans are saying hey i only like you when your in CVH not solo. If thats the case do we really want those same people showing up to the CVH reunion shows or would we rather have the true fans like ourselves who have stuck by him through the good and bad.

[hard rock]

i also look at those people as sell outs and followers. you know like im only going to listen and like whats popular and what the media says i should like.

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
All I can say is...I never left!

amen...

[DlocRoth]

Once again, #'s dont lie.

Dave + VH best of= 3,000,000 copies

Spam+ VH "best" of = 300,000 copies

Period. Point.