Originally posted by Carmine Raguzza.
Is there a God?
I believe that there is, without queston.
That's the only possible way to believe in one...
Originally posted by Carmine Raguzza.
Is there a God?
I believe that there is, without queston.
That's the only possible way to believe in one...
Why did this get bumped?
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By the way Matt...nice tits on Liz Phair there. Fucking awesome.
Now - where were we? Oh yeh - God, um....yeh.
Liz Phair's tits are proof that God exists
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hmmm, with me being an Aetheist.....
If I could ever get them in my mouth - that would definitely be a miracle.Originally posted by FORD
Liz Phair's tits are proof that God exists
god does exsist if he didnt no one would be alive....people say that the big bang created everything...well how did that happen...who made the things that cause the big bang....and how did those things get here...there has to be a creator
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hopefully God will ressurect you
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Yea, we can argue until 2007 on that same thread...Originally posted by vanzilla
Why did this get bumped?
The real answer is hidden deep inside each of our own selves.
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Originally posted by Nitro Express
... What erases the linger of horniness more than Al Quaida? Then blondegirl can post some new hot dudes and stir a new wave of horniness...http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...i_triangle.jpgOriginally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
[B]... Cooking, I mean Cooking, is men's field...Originally posted by VanHalener
... Fight the Good Fight and Win!...Originally posted by FORD
... And let's face it, if mothers (except Chelsea Clinton's) ruled this world, there would be no goddamned war in the first place...
I'm leaning towards no.
No one has ever seen, nor heard this god speak (no matter how many christian nutjobs have claimed that he's spoken to them). There is no physical nor visual evidence of his existence.
The bible is supposedly the divine, infallable word of god, yet the bible is saturated with contradictions, inaccuracies, and complete falsehoods. If it is truly god's word, then why so many errors?
The part that always gets me is this god supposedly is full of love for his creations, yet throughout the bible there are instances where god has killed scores of people because he is angry with them. He also created a place to send his "beloved" creations to to torment them for all eternity if they don't live according to his rules. Yep, sounds like genuine, true love to me.
I'm sorry, but I'm the kind of person that has to have proof that something exists before I'll believe in it. If someone tells you that a flying pink elephant exists because an old ancient book says so, yet it has never been seen and there is no physical evidence of one ever existing, are you going to believe in flying pink elephants?
No one can prove the existence of a god. You can say that stuff didn't just happen by accident and we had to be created by something, but you can't prove that this particular god in the bible is responsible for making it all happen.
Furthermore, how many religions and gods have there been throughout the history of mankind that have come and gone and have since been proven false? Zeus, anyone? The ancient Greeks had a strong belief in their gods, too, much as christians do today in Jesus and god, but did that make their deities any more real? Why, then, are we to believe that the god in the bible is any more real than all the previous deities throughout time?
Also, logic states that in order for god to even exist, that something had to have created god...he didn't happen just by accident. Where did this god come from? The whole chicken and egg thing...
Just my two pennies...
Amen!
You've nicely summed up the main points.
Religion is basically a virus passed on from parent to child.
We've evolved so that as children we are preprogrammed to believe what our parents tell us. This is very important because otherwise offspring would jump off a cliff or eat the poisonous berries or try and pet the sabre tooth tiger. The ones that didn't didn't survive. When a parent passes on the superstitions that they have inherited from their parents this has a strong hold on their children which is hard to shake.
To give an example of the insanity of this my Dad recently said to me 'I insist my grandchildren are brought up as Christians and go to Sunday school.' My Dad only goes to church for weddings and funerals. He doesn't know much about scripture or much about the history of the bible and is a retired scientist. Like so many people I think he see's religion as a comfort blanket and a morality tool. I think he was a little shocked at my 20 minute detailed fuck off rant where I pointed out it does neither.
If you are religious unless you have been indoctrinated by a cult then you have to accept that like 99.99% of religious people your 'beliefs'(where belief is a euphanism for illogical unsubstatiated crazy superstions) are completely based on the accident of your peer group and geography.
Cheers!
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Sesh, something tells me that this post will start World War Three around here!Originally posted by Seshmeister
Amen!
You've nicely summed up the main points.
Religion is basically a virus passed on from parent to child.
We've evolved so that as children we are preprogrammed to believe what our parents tell us. This is very important because otherwise offspring would jump off a cliff or eat the poisonous berries or try and pet the sabre tooth tiger. The ones that didn't didn't survive. When a parent passes on the superstitions that they have inherited from their parents this has a strong hold on their children which is hard to shake.
To give an example of the insanity of this my Dad recently said to me 'I insist my grandchildren are brought up as Christians and go to Sunday school.' My Dad only goes to church for weddings and funerals. He doesn't know much about scripture or much about the history of the bible and is a retired scientist. Like so many people I think he see's religion as a comfort blanket and a morality tool. I think he was a little shocked at my 20 minute detailed fuck off rant where I pointed out it does neither.
If you are religious unless you have been indoctrinated by a cult then you have to accept that like 99.99% of religious people your 'beliefs'(where belief is a euphanism for illogical unsubstatiated crazy superstions) are completely based on the accident of your peer group and geography.
Cheers!
As for my view, I'm agnostic as I really don't think there's really anyway of knowing for sure. But what I will say is that science doesn't deal in certainties either. I find all of the issues very interesting, and I can't be dogmatic (sorry) either way. I try and keep my mind open.
For me, the worst kind of religion is one which doesn't allow questioning.
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Eddie and Dave are back onstage again..
God obviously exists !!!
I kinda agree with Sesh's post, makes a lot of sense.
I believe in God, but I cant seem to align myself to
any one particular organised religion. How any one
religion can hate another, is just bullshit...
How any one religion can try and control us by
scaring the crap out of us, is also total bullshit..
I think if we took all the best bits from each religion
and blended it together, we would probably be a
shitload closer to the reality of God
than we are today..
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Yes, God exists and he told me he wants you to send me all of your Van Halen related things.Originally posted by franksters
i had a big argument with my best friend who is atheist, and i think his kids and him are missing out on something.
what are your thoughts?
And oh, he loves you!
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I believe in 'God' in that i believe the universe to be a living superorganism. I don't subscribe to any dogma. I believe that throughout history there have been people unusually sensitive to the interconnectedness of all that exists. These people have been the ones who've started all the religions, but that does not mean they were right about everything or even anything. They may have had visions but their interpretations of those visions were tainted by their previous prejudices.
If you look at the teachings of most religions you'll see that most of them have recycled and mixed up from other religions. For instance there have been many stories in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia of a child of high ranking people being hidden by their families in order order to save their lives and discovered and raised by some humble shepherd, only to later rise to an important position. Most of these stories predate Moses.
There have also been countless cults in the Middle East, that have a teacher with 12 disciples etc. One of these teachers, Mithras, is said to have died for others' salvation! In fact, the Catholic Church is almost a carbon copy of Mithraism. Before the spread of Christianity, Mithraism was the most widespread religion in the Roman Empire. It was probably the similarity of Mithraism's and Christianity's teachings that lead to the rapid expansion of Christianity.
The first monotheistic religion is said to have been Zoroastrianism of Iran (along with the short lived cult of Aton in Egypt). Which influenced Judaism and in doing so Christianity indirectly and also directly. In fact the adoption of Zoroastrianism as a state religion by the persian Sassanis dynasty (226-651 AD.) inspired Romans to do the same with Christianity. The enmity between Iran and Rome long predated Christianity, but after the creation of state religions, the conflict began to assume a more religious nature.
The conflict probably in part inspired Muhammad in the creation of the concept of a Jihad. After the Muslim Arabs had conquered the southern parts of the Roman empire and all of Iran the religious conflict began again this time between Christianity and Islam.
This is strange when you think about. Christianity and Zoroastrianism had a lot in common. But a Muslim and a Christian could easily agree with most of each others teaching. Yet they fought furiously. It seems that religious experiences are so intensely visceral and personal, that when you combine them with earthly power all you get is fanaticism and blood. Even when your neighbour shares 90 % of your beliefs the remaining 10 % can make you bitterly hate eachother.
sorry, i'm rambling.
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Your Rambling is good !
It seems ridiculous that we wage wars over that
10% difference...
If we took a mother and their infant from each religion
and race, and threw them in the same room together,
right there you would see the truth...
No barriers, no hatred, no religous discrimination.
Just creatures of god all experiencing the same
experience..
FUCK GOD-HAIL SATAN!!!!
"It's like trying to fit a mouse fart into a sardine can with a shoe horn"-Ace DiamondOriginally Posted by hideyoursheep
YOU FORGOT TO MENTION METAL GODS!!!!!!Originally posted by Last_Child
I Believe in gods..
Mostly Guitar gods----
But we have the mighty BON SCOTT!
My theory.....
GREAT FUCKING JUDAS PRIEST SONG!!!
ONE OF MY FAVORITES!!!
OFF TO THE SHEEP PEN GULAG WITH YOU............BETTE MIDLER IS EXPECTING YOU.Originally posted by Three Lock Rock
there IS a god...and his name is hagar!
PEACE SELLS..........BUT WHO'S BUYING?Originally posted by Matt White
"I talk to 'em every day."
Creatures of evolution who would start bickering soon enough and blood spilled soon after.Originally posted by Panamark
Your Rambling is good !
It seems ridiculous that we wage wars over that
10% difference...
If we took a mother and their infant from each religion
and race, and threw them in the same room together,
right there you would see the truth...
No barriers, no hatred, no religous discrimination.
Just creatures of god all experiencing the same
experience..
Mothers are the worst and kids are downright evil.
Who stole your trousers?
Cheers!
"Is there a God?"
No. "There" is a destination.
Why settle for something you have, if it's not as good as something you're out to get?
It's like putting up a YouTube of Bach and playing Chopstix on your Bontempi...
Writing my philosphy final on this very question.
Besides, I gotta get this "believing in myself" thing under my belt...
I believe in you homeslice!
Bet you can do whatever you put your mind to.
My wife is a teacher, and I have witnessed this first hand.Originally posted by Seshmeister
Creatures of evolution who would start bickering soon enough and blood spilled soon after.
Mothers are the worst and kids are downright evil.
Who stole your trousers?
Cheers!
Seriously, arabic women, asian, white europeans, americans,
hell there might have even been a scottish woman in the
group... lol..
My point is, at these childrens age, the mothers dont care about
wars and religion and all that crap, they are unified
as simple mothers of babies. Skin colour or nationality
or beliefs dont come into it at this point...
That seems a pretty cool thing to me and shows in its
most primal form that we can all get along.
Now, when the fuckers get older, thats when it all
gets bent out of shape
I probably should note the fathers all seemed to
be aligned in this situation too, so trousers are
included... :p
ha ha! excellent...Originally posted by Coyote
"Is there a God?"
No. "There" is a destination.
Amen to that!!Originally posted by Panamark
Eddie and Dave are back onstage again..
God obviously exists !!!
The Hopi Nation (Arizona) have a teaching about this. They believe that in the beginning, God created the 4 colors of human beings, Red, yellow, black, and white, and gave each of them a piece of the truth.I kinda agree with Sesh's post, makes a lot of sense.
I believe in God, but I cant seem to align myself to
any one particular organised religion. How any one
religion can hate another, is just bullshit...
How any one religion can try and control us by
scaring the crap out of us, is also total bullshit..
I think if we took all the best bits from each religion
and blended it together, we would probably be a
shitload closer to the reality of God
than we are today..
It was then man's responsibility to find each other and piece together the whole Truth.
I was raised in the Baptist church, and I still believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but I believe the Hopis called this one right.
It makes absolutely no sense to me that the Creator of all mankind would only give ONE group of people the "right" religion and damn everyone else to Hell, and even my uber-religious sister knows better than to argue that one with me, because I can quote Scripture better than anyone including her, the Pope, or John Hagee the fat dominionist bastard.
No, no, no!Originally posted by Panamark
Eddie and Dave are back onstage again..
God obviously exists !!!
That means the Hell exists and it's frozen over now!
Originally posted by Cato
Golden, why are you FAT?http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...TheDMCross.jpgOriginally posted by lesfunk
Much like yourself as the Jim Morrison of Nazi bunker flies
No, Hell hasn't frozen over yet. But I did have to put a sweater on for a few days.
Eternally Under the Authority of Satan
HAIL SATANOriginally posted by Satan
No, Hell hasn't frozen over yet. But I did have to put a sweater on for a few days.
Originally posted by FORD
Amen to that!!
The Hopi Nation (Arizona) have a teaching about this. They believe that in the beginning, God created the 4 colors of human beings, Red, yellow, black, and white, and gave each of them a piece of the truth.
It was then man's responsibility to find each other and piece together the whole Truth.
I was raised in the Baptist church, and I still believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but I believe the Hopis called this one right.
It makes absolutely no sense to me that the Creator of all mankind would only give ONE group of people the "right" religion and damn everyone else to Hell, and even my uber-religious sister knows better than to argue that one with me, because I can quote Scripture better than anyone including her, the Pope, or John Hagee the fat dominionist bastard.
I agree, though i'm not sure any white folk writing about the Hopi have a very good way of understanding their way of life. That said i believe their way of life is right - for the Hopi. I don't, as i believe the Hopi don't, believe in other people performing Hopi rituals. I also believe Jesus was a very special person, but there's a billion tons of bullshit to get through to get to his real message.
Hail myself!
There's a whole range of opinion among the Native Americans when it comes to any non-Indians taking part in their ceremonies.Originally posted by MAPRamone
I agree, though i'm not sure any white folk writing about the Hopi have a very good way of understanding their way of life. That said i believe their way of life is right - for the Hopi. I don't, as i believe the Hopi don't, believe in other people performing Hopi rituals. I also believe Jesus was a very special person, but there's a billion tons of bullshit to get through to get to his real message.
I've been involved in many ceremonies in the Lakota tradition. Sweat lodge, vision quest, several weddings, etc. Some of the people involved were Indians, some were other ethnicities.
There was this group of Lakota elders whom we referred to as the "Lakota Coalition" because they kinda resembled the Dobson-Robertson-Falwell mentality in their fundamentalism and their self appointed right to decide who does or does not practice the traditions.
Yes, it's their tradition, and I can understand their objections to anyone who exploits them, especially for money (big no-no in Indian country - you don't charge for ceremony. Something that other religions could learn from) But I don't understand objection to anyone who takes the traditions seriously and sacred and practices them as such.
I'm not as familiar with the Hopi traditions, apart from a few of their prophecies, but I'd guess if they object to any outsiders, it's probably for the same reasons.
Could you imagine what would happen if a group of Messianic Jews went around saying that nobody but them had the right to practice Christianity??
I believe in God. I catch a lot of flack for it from other musicians too. I do not preach my beliefs but if people ask I will tell them. I think a lot of the bible is just stories to give us an idea of the right way to live. I also agree with Rushdie that we probably lost a lot of the real bible in the original translation. Not to mention a lot of it was lost by passing the stories by word of mouth. (Ever play the game telephone in grade school?)
The religious zealots and the anti-God zealots are the same to me. Only one wants to shove their God shit down your throat and the other wants to shove their there-is-no-God shit down your throat. To each their own. Neither changes my mind.
the message of jesus is "FOLLOW BLINDLY WITHOUT QUESTION".
sounds a lot like hitler.
well, there were both jews.
they both led their own people to slaughter.
the both died.
they both pissed off the biggest world powers of their time.
they were both mortal men who were comepletely full of shit.
the location of their remains are known.
hitler's remains are in moscow.
a fragment of hitler's skull(the part where the bullet went through) is on public display in the russian national museum in moscow.
jesus remains along with the remains of his family,wife and child were located in a cave in jeruselem in 1980. the ossuaries are in the israel museam on public display.
the bones were re-buried outside the city of jeruselem unceremoniously in unmarked graves.
and before anyone starts calling me an anti-semite,my father is a jew.
i was after the age of about 10 years old when my parents divorced,raised by my father.
Someone post even a tiny shred of evidence that there is a God.
Go for it. I'll wait.....but I won't hold my breath.
There is the equal problem of "proving" that God doesn't exist, for which there is no evidence. Or "proving" any other theories of existence for that matter.Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
Someone post even a tiny shred of evidence that there is a God.
Go for it. I'll wait.....but I won't hold my breath.
I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, like I said above, I'm agnostic so I'm open-minded on these issues
Good luck with that Al, I hope it goes well.Originally posted by ALinChainz
Writing my philosphy final on this very question.
Originally posted by Little Texan
I'm leaning towards no.
No one has ever seen, nor heard this god speak (no matter how many christian nutjobs have claimed that he's spoken to them). There is no physical nor visual evidence of his existence.
The bible is supposedly the divine, infallable word of god, yet the bible is saturated with contradictions, inaccuracies, and complete falsehoods. If it is truly god's word, then why so many errors?
The part that always gets me is this god supposedly is full of love for his creations, yet throughout the bible there are instances where god has killed scores of people because he is angry with them. He also created a place to send his "beloved" creations to to torment them for all eternity if they don't live according to his rules. Yep, sounds like genuine, true love to me.
I'm sorry, but I'm the kind of person that has to have proof that something exists before I'll believe in it. If someone tells you that a flying pink elephant exists because an old ancient book says so, yet it has never been seen and there is no physical evidence of one ever existing, are you going to believe in flying pink elephants?
No one can prove the existence of a god. You can say that stuff didn't just happen by accident and we had to be created by something, but you can't prove that this particular god in the bible is responsible for making it all happen.
Furthermore, how many religions and gods have there been throughout the history of mankind that have come and gone and have since been proven false? Zeus, anyone? The ancient Greeks had a strong belief in their gods, too, much as christians do today in Jesus and god, but did that make their deities any more real? Why, then, are we to believe that the god in the bible is any more real than all the previous deities throughout time?
Also, logic states that in order for god to even exist, that something had to have created god...he didn't happen just by accident. Where did this god come from? The whole chicken and egg thing...
Just my two pennies...
Stop making sense. Someone here at the Army might c all you a "Homo" or "Bone Smuggler"......next thing you know, you'll be claiming DLR can't sing better than ever.
If someone wearing a robe who likes to bugger young boys tells you there are flying pink elephants, then there are flying pink elephants dammit!!!
Who are you to claim there is no evidence?
Extraterrestrial...
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