Talk Classic Rock - The Official Message Board For Classic Rock -- Now on XenForo!
They looked good last night.
Sox looked awful. Damn.
TLC
You KNOW I got the blues.
Can you dig it?
Welcome to Massachusetts. Now get the FUCK out of my way!
The Big Unit looked great. If he keeps playing like last night, that whole fight with a news photographer will be a thing of the past.
How tacky was it that David Wells wore a 3 in Yankee Stadium? Did you know that's the number he originally wanted when he started with the Yanks? What a fucking ballsy request! That's why he wore 33 while in the pinstripes.
Just because the title "moderator" is under my name doesn't mean I have to be nice to cunts like you. - DLR7884 to FPC
Vanzilla's New "Can't Get This Stuff No More" Video Coming Soon!
LMFAO, fuckin' Yankee fans, I tell ya....
I even had to edit the thread title so you could spell YANKEES right for ya !!!!
Sheesh...
Eat Us And Smile - The Originals
"I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth
"We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth
Sorry dude.Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
LMFAO, fuckin' Yankee fans, I tell ya....
I even had to edit the thread title so you could spell YANKEES right for ya !!!!
Sheesh...
Usually I'm a god spiller but I diddn't have enuff coffey yet.
LMFAO...
Were those floods anywhere close to ya ???
No flooding troubles for me buddy.
Thanks for asking.
It's very, very early, but the great Mariano Rivera is looking rather sha-a-a-a-ky....
First 3 starters look good in their debuts....
Sox drop 2 out of 3 in the Bronx, but there is a silver lining...that being the fact that the Sox are still in Rivera's head...maybe other ballclubs will not fear him so much anymore.
By the way, this year's MVP will be eithr Matsui or Big Papi...
(what a catch by Matsui the other night!)
Maybe this is what a heroine addict feels like after getting a long awaited fix, shooting up in the corner of some abandoned building and just not giving a fuck about what the rest of the world thinks...TATTOO"
He shouldn't even put Rivera in against the Sox.
Maybe Father Time is catching up with Rivera. I hate to see it, since he's one of my all time favorites.
yeah, I know...where was I after games one and two, right?...
Right. Typical Red Sox fan.Originally posted by Dave's PA Rental
yeah, I know...where was I after games one and two, right?...
Well, it ain't like the Sox DON'T know what Rivera is bringing to the table....
He's gonna throw that cutter 'til his arm falls off...
And let's face it, it just ain't cuttin' like it used to....
two things:
1. It's inexcuseable that Yankee fans booed Rivera as he walked off. INEXCUSEABLE!
2. While trolling NYYfans.com last night, I was appaled when I saw some Yankee fans refering to Torre as 'Clueless Joe'...
Spoiled rotten fans who are too dumb to realize that their team is old but want to blame the manager...
Agree and disagree...
Agree that yes, Yankee fans are incredibly spoiled rotten....
But those fans pay big bucks to pay the salaries for those players...
You can't keep riding on the coattails of past successes, and use that as an excuse when those same players start to cause failures instead of successes...
And that's what it boils down to IMO, what Rivera is doing so far IS HURTING THE TEAM....
And because of that, boooooooooooooooooooooooo......
Assholes booed him - there are assholes everywhere - enough of the Yankee fans are ______ bullshit.
So are you saying anyone who boos a player is an asshole ??
I wanna make sure I understand what you mean...
I'm a pretty big Sox fan, but I'm also a big fan of the game in general. Anyone who booed Rivera was acting like an asshole, and a spoiled brat. Yeah, he might be shaky lately, but for the better part of a decade he was pretty much a friggin' lock. He's getting older, no player lasts forever. Does Mo have to throw three straight strikes to every batter and the Yanks have a record of 162-0 for these people to be happy?
It fucking sucks that he got booed....it's inexcusable.
Last edited by sethfle; 04-09-2005 at 09:02 AM.
So I then pose the same question to you...
Is ALL booing taboo, or just to the "holier-than-thou" Yankees ???
No, not all booing is taboo. I just don't think it's fair to boo someone who has the accomplishments that Rivera does for a few slip ups early in the season.
Well, that's your opinion, that's cool...
Not me...
Past accomplishments are irrelevant to me if you're currently hurting your team....
Well Rivera got a standing ovation today upon entering the game.
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
So are you saying anyone who boos a player is an asshole ??
I wanna make sure I understand what you mean...
No, but booing a guy who has done so much, failed only a few times and has never been obnoxious is crap.
We can agree to disagree, VA Beach....gotta say, I feel the same way Figs does.
Here's the thing...and if Yankee fans actually did their homework, they would know better...in the last 4 years, Rivera has had to face the Sox at least 40 times, maybe even 50 times. ANY team that faces a pitcher THAT MANY TIMES is going to figure him out eventually...Rivera is still the greatest closer in baseball, but because of the schedule and a few 7 game post-season series, he has had to face the Sox more than any other team...Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
You can't keep riding on the coattails of past successes, and use that as an excuse when those same players start to cause failures instead of successes...
And that's what it boils down to IMO, what Rivera is doing so far IS HURTING THE TEAM....
He pitches fine against everybody else...so how do you boo him?
the empire will strike back in 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...um, yeah, can you fill it up with regular, and check the oil?Originally posted by Sammy Who??
the empire will strike back in 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Which is basically what I said on my first post, the Sox see him so often, they probably know how many times he wipes his ass....Originally posted by Dave's PA Rental
Here's the thing...and if Yankee fans actually did their homework, they would know better...in the last 4 years, Rivera has had to face the Sox at least 40 times, maybe even 50 times. ANY team that faces a pitcher THAT MANY TIMES is going to figure him out eventually
I'm too lazy to look up the stats, but aren't his blown saves increasing in the past few years ???
I believe he has more blown saves versus the Red Sox than he has versus the rest of the major league combined!
Mariano got the Sox in the ninth tonight (1 walk). Yanks win 5-2.
Ouch! This is gonna' go back-and-forth all season.
I dont think anyone really thought that he could never shut down the Sox again...
I kinda thought Giambi wouldn't hit any steroid free homers....
Mekka-lekka-hi-mekka-hiney-ho
Mekka-lekka-hi-mekka-chiney-ho
Boston 8, NY Yankees 5
By HOWARD ULMAN, AP Sports Writer
April 14, 2005
BOSTON (AP) -- The New York Yankees got into another scuffle with fans on a testy night at Fenway Park. This time, Gary Sheffield was in the middle of it.
Sheffield was fielding Jason Varitek's two-run triple along the right-field fence in the eighth inning of Boston's 8-5 victory Thursday night when a fan swung a short uppercut in his direction, appearing to graze the side of the slugger's face with his right arm.
``I just felt something hit me in the mouth,'' Sheffield said. ``I don't know if he hit me or not, it felt like it. I thought my lip was busted.''
After Sheffield picked up the ball, he shoved the fan before throwing the ball back to the infield. Another fan tossed a beer at Sheffield, who whirled around with a cocked fist but restrained himself.
He shouted in the face of the first man -- but did not throw a punch. A security official quickly jumped over the three-foot wall to separate the two.
``It could have been worse if I didn't hold my composure,'' Sheffield said. ``I almost snapped, but the thing is I thought about the consequences.''
The fan was ejected from the ballpark but not arrested.
``It's just a baseball game,'' Sheffield said. ``To get punched in the mouth, you don't expect that in a baseball game.''
During the 2003 AL playoffs, two Yankees players got into a brawl with a Red Sox groundskeeper in New York's bullpen.
Relief pitcher Jeff Nelson and outfielder Karim Garcia were charged with assault but agreed to a deal last October that called for the charges against them to be dropped in six months.
The near-fight between Sheffield and the Boston fan Thursday night was the latest problem between fans and players at a sporting event.
On Nov. 19, players and fans exchanged punches in the stands near the end of a Pacers-Pistons game in one of the worst brawls in NBA history. The mayhem left several people injured and prompted a police investigation.
Last September, the Texas Rangers got into a fight with fans in Oakland, and Rangers reliever Frank Francisco was arrested after throwing a chair into the stands that hit a woman and broke her nose.
Edgar Renteria's RBI double in the eighth broke a 5-5 tie, and Boston took two of three from its rival to even the season series at three games apiece.
Randy Johnson gave up three homers for only the 12th time in his career, and Red Sox manager Terry Francona and hitting coach Ron Jackson were ejected after questioning calls by plate umpire Greg Gibson.
Johnson left with the score 5-5 after seven innings and Tom Gordon (0-1) fell behind before getting an out. Johnny Damon led off the eighth with a single and scored on a double by Renteria, who had made the last out for St. Louis in Boston's sweep of last year's World Series.
After an intentional walk to David Ortiz, Varitek hit a ball down the right-field line that hugged the curved wall and led to all the trouble.
``We have to give Sheffield a lot of credit,'' Damon said, ``for him to restrain himself the way he did.''
Varitek's two-run triple gave the Red Sox an 8-5 lead.
Sheffield led off the ninth with a double off the Green Monster and the Yankees loaded the bases before Keith Foulke (1-1) ended the game by getting Ruben Sierra to foul out to catcher Varitek, who made a nice catch on a difficult play near the stands.
Renteria, Jay Payton and Varitek all homered in the first four innings off Johnson. Hideki Matsui drove in three runs for the Yankees with a single and a double as the teams wrapped up a nine-game stretch in which they faced each other six times.
The last time Johnson allowed three homers was Aug. 15 against Atlanta.
New York took a 5-4 lead in a four-run fourth, when Bronson Arroyo issued three walks.
One of them led to the ejection of Jackson, who was upset after Gibson called a bases-loaded, 3-2 pitch to Sheffield a ball. Francona rushed out of the dugout to argue and Jackson, who followed, was restrained by several Boston coaches.
Matsui followed with a two-run single and Alex Rodriguez put the Yankees ahead with an RBI single.
Varitek's third homer of the season tied it in the fourth. But with two outs and a 2-1 count on Bill Mueller, a pitch that appeared to be low and inside was called a strike by Gibson. That brought Francona out of the dugout again and he also was ejected.
Francona returned to the team Monday from a four-game absence after undergoing tests for tightness in his chest that team physician Dr. Thomas Gill said probably was caused by a viral illness.
Notes
Arroyo allowed runners in scoring position in each of the first four innings. ... Johnson had at least one strikeout in each of his seven innings.
A few different ways to look at Sheffield's incident...
#1 - I totally support how he handled it... He got hit in the lip, but didn't jump into the crowd, as it would have been easy to do....
#2 - BUT, the guy who swiped his hand wasn't even looking at Sheffield !! Watch it closely, he's totally looking away, and making the scooping motion as if he wanted to pick the ball up.... Not saying he's not at fault here, just making that point.... I think it was completely accidental that he hit him in the lip, not at all on purpose...
#3 - What about the dude that tossed the beer on Sheff ?? He got off scott free....
I havent seen a replay that shows actual contact. And I havent seen a replay that shows anyone intentionally throwing a beer on him...I saw the two broads in the front row recoil in fear and knock a beer over onto Shef...
Now I think the idiot fan got what he deserved...when you are in the front row and the ball is bouncing around right beneath you, you have to know that Sheffield is going to be there to field it...you have to be in control of your actions, and take responsibility for them as well. He was definately making a scooping motion as if he wanted to pick the ball up, but he interfered with Sheffield whether he made contact or not.
Shef over-reacted and should be suspended. But no homer Yankee fan would ever admit that they were both wrong...
I stand corrected...just saw on PTI that guy DID throw the beer...what an asshole, he should be banned from EVER attending a baseball game ANYWHERE...
BALTIMORE - While Major League Baseball officials, in cooperation with the Red Sox, investigate the incident involving a Boston man who made contact with Gary Sheffield during Thursday night's game, the Yankees bolstered their argument that Sheffield should not be suspended.
Asked if he'd be surprised if Sheffield served any time for his part in the latest Fenway Park fracas, manager Joe Torre said, "Yeah, I would be."
Yet, Sheffield could be punished for swinging and missing at the fan, identified as Christopher House of Dorchester, Mass.,who was ejected for interfering with play.
MLB jumped into the fray on Friday, as Sheffield met with MLB security chief Kevin Hallinan.
"The police have it," Hallinan said.
However, a Boston Police spokesperson said no arrests were made, none are expected and that the situation is now an internal matter between the Red Sox and MLB.
It's up to MLB discipline czar Bob Watson to assess what, if any, fine or suspension would be levied against Sheffield.
"I can only play baseball," Sheffield said when asked of the possibility of a suspension. "I'm not going to get involved in that."
Hallinan said he expects to present his review of the incident to commissioner Bud Selig by early next week.
"It's in the commissioner's hands," Yankees owner George Steinbrenner offered in a statement, and nothing more.
As of 6 p.m., Friday, Sheffield had not spoken with Boston Police.
Though a Yankee source said Sheffield is weighing whether to press charges against the fan, Sheffield said Friday that he hadn't really thought of it.
Torre said he's seen video of the incident "three or four times" and is convinced the fan meant to take a swipe at Sheffield, who was attempting to field Jason Varitek's triple in the eighth inning of Boston's 8-5 victory.
"He wasn't going for a ball," Torre said of the fan, noting that he did not bend over and reach for the ball with two hands. "He knew what he wanted to do."
Torre said it looked more like a sucker punch. "He was trying to be nonchalant about swinging his arm around," he said.
Sheffield wouldn't use any terms to describe what happened, since he'd been told by MLB officials not to speak on the matter.
"They told me to let them handle it," said Sheffield, who spoke with Yankees general manager Brian Cashman and club president Randy Levine. At the ballpark, Sheffield met with Hallinan, his assistant, and Torre in the manager's office at Camden Yards.
"I've been looking at video all day, talking to a lot of different people," Hallinan said. "I'm still trying to pull everything together."
Sheffield said he hadn't reviewed the tape, and did not seem interested in doing so - even after saying, "You've got to look at the tape [in order to] pass judgment."
On Friday, Sheffield had several opportunities before the game, as the clubhouse TV was tuned to ESPN, with the sound up. But as the network showed replays of the incident, Sheffield never looked up from what he was doing.
At the time of the incident, Sheffield thought his lip was cut, which enraged him.
Before tossing his relay throw, Sheffield attempted to hit back at the fan. Once he threw to the infield, a livid Sheffield said his memory of the Ron Artest incident stopped him from further retaliation.
"I thought Sheff practiced great restraint," Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said, adding that the Fenway security guard who leapt immediately over the 3-foot fence between Sheffield and the fan "deserves to be employee of the month."
The Yankees universally praised Red Sox security, less than two years after Levine railed against Boston's security in the wake of a bullpen brawl during the 2003 playoffs that resulted in charges filed against Yankees Karim Garcia and Jeff Nelson - both of whom eventually agreed to probation and community service.
Though players in the Yankees' bullpen rushed toward the incident, no players went into the stands. During spring training, players are subject to security meetings covering such incidents.
"We're pleased about that," Hallinan said, citing the Yanks' restraint. "Our training was helpful.
Mets first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz, a member of the Red Sox' world championship team last season, defended the Fenway fans.
"It's just something that happened," said Mientkiewicz. "It's something that happened, but the thing is it's not fair if you punish the normal fan. You can't lump two or three morons into everyone else. The fans of Boston are some of the best fans in the world and you can't lump those people in. You don't get much better than Red Sox Nation."
"I thought Sheff did a great job of holding himself back," Mientkiewicz said. "Security did a great job. They can brief us all they want on security and all that stuff, but I thought Sheffield said it great when he said 'it's a baseball game.' What would you do if somebody walked up to you and hit you in the mouth? I think 99.99 percent of the public is going to retaliate. If [Sheffield] retaliates, he faces suspension."
"It's not an isolated incident," Mets pitcher Tom Glavine said. "We've had other incidents. You're walking a tightrope. Everyone is trying to make these ballparks more fan-friendly and get the fans closer to the action, and the flip side of that is that they are closer to the action and they're closer to being able to do other things.
"I don't know what the intention was, whether or not the guy was trying to hit Sheff or go for the ball or what he was trying to do. But you get these ballparks that are like that and fans are on top of the players and you run the risk of something happening. I don't want to say it's a problem yet, but, at the same time, I definitely see the potential for much more to happen more so than for it just going away."
"I don't think I ever got close to diving into the stands," Mets manager Willie Randolph said of his days as a player. "It's a different time. People think they are part of the team, I guess. I don't understand it.
"It's something they have to address, I think," Randolph said. "It's something going back for a couple of years now. The fans feel like they have the right to get involved. I don't understand that, but that's what it's become. But, yeah, security and maybe taking away beers, if you control some of that stuff. ... alcohol is part of what's going on, I'm sure. But, anytime that happens, you need to address it. If you don't address it, it's going to happen more."
There are currently 3 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 3 guests)
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
