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  • 4moreyears
    Commando
    • Oct 2004
    • 1245

    Only The Rich Pay Taxes

    There is new data for 2001. The share of total income taxes paid by the top 1% fell to 33.89% from 37.42% in 2000. This is mainly because their income share (not just wages) fell from 20.81% to 17.53%. However, their average tax rate actually rose slightly from 27.45% to 27.50%.


    *Data covers calendar year 2001, not fiscal year 2001 - and includes all income, not just wages, excluding Social Security





    This proves that it was not the tax cut that caused revenues from the rich to fall, but the recession and the stock market crash. In other words, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. If you are going to benefit from the rich paying more taxes, due to progressivity, on the upside, you are going to lose more revenue from these people on the downside. This is a good argument for reducing progressivity.

    Think of it this way: less than four dollars out of every $100 paid in income taxes in the United States is paid by someone in the bottom 50% of wage earners. Are the top half millionaires? Noooo, more like "thousandaires." The top 50% were those individuals or couples filing jointly who earned $26,000 and up in 1999. (The top 1% earned $293,000-plus.) Americans who want to are continuing to improve their lives - and those who don't want to, aren't. Here are the wage earners in each category and the percentages they pay:

    Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes (Down from 2000 figure: 56.47%). The top 10% pay 64.89% (Down from 2000 figure: 67.33%). The top 25% pay 82.9% (Down from 2000 figure: 84.01%). The top 50% pay 96.03% (Down from 2000 figure: 96.09%). The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.97% of all income taxes. The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%! And who earns what? The top 1% earns 17.53 (2000: 20.81%) of all income. The top 5% earns 31.99 (2000: 35.30%). The top 10% earns 43.11% (2000: 46.01%); the top 25% earns 65.23% (2000: 67.15%), and the top 50% earns 86.19% (2000: 87.01%) of all the income.
    The Rich Earned Their Dough, They Didn't Inherit It (Except Ted Kennedy)

    The bottom 50% is paying a tiny bit of the taxes, so you can't give them much of a tax cut by definition. Yet these are the people to whom the Democrats claim to want to give tax cuts. Remember this the next time you hear the "tax cuts for the rich" business. Understand that the so-called rich are about the only ones paying taxes anymore.



    *Data covers calendar year 2001, not fiscal year 2001 - and includes all income, not just wages, excluding Social Security
    This proves that it was not the tax cut that caused revenues from the rich to fall, but the recession and the stock market crash. In other words, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. If you are going to benefit from the rich paying more taxes, due to progressivity, on the upside, you are going to lose more revenue from these people on the downside. This is a good argument for reducing progressivity.

    Think of it this way: less than four dollars out of every $100 paid in income taxes in the United States is paid by someone in the bottom 50% of wage earners. Are the top half millionaires? Noooo, more like "thousandaires." The top 50% were those individuals or couples filing jointly who earned $26,000 and up in 1999. (The top 1% earned $293,000-plus.) Americans who want to are continuing to improve their lives - and those who don't want to, aren't. Here are the wage earners in each category and the percentages they pay:

    Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes (Down from 2000 figure: 56.47%). The top 10% pay 64.89% (Down from 2000 figure: 67.33%). The top 25% pay 82.9% (Down from 2000 figure: 84.01%). The top 50% pay 96.03% (Down from 2000 figure: 96.09%). The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.97% of all income taxes. The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%! And who earns what? The top 1% earns 17.53 (2000: 20.81%) of all income. The top 5% earns 31.99 (2000: 35.30%). The top 10% earns 43.11% (2000: 46.01%); the top 25% earns 65.23% (2000: 67.15%), and the top 50% earns 86.19% (2000: 87.01%) of all the income.
    The Rich Earned Their Dough, They Didn't Inherit It (Except Ted Kennedy)

    The bottom 50% is paying a tiny bit of the taxes, so you can't give them much of a tax cut by definition. Yet these are the people to whom the Democrats claim to want to give tax cuts. Remember this the next time you hear the "tax cuts for the rich" business. Understand that the so-called rich are about the only ones paying taxes anymore.

    I had a conversation with a woman who identified herself as Misty on Wednesday. She claimed to be an accountant, yet she seemed unaware of the Alternative Minimum Tax, which now ensures that everyone pays some taxes. AP reports that the AMT, "designed in 1969 to ensure 155 wealthy people paid some tax," will hit "about 2.6 million of us this year and 36 million by 2010." That's because the tax isn't indexed for inflation! If your salary today would've made you mega-rich in '69, that's how you're taxed.

    Misty tried the old line that all wealth is inherited. Not true. John Weicher, as a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and a visiting scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank, wrote in his February 13, 1997 Washington Post Op-Ed, "Most of the rich have earned their wealth... Looking at the Fortune 400, quite a few even of the very richest people came from a standing start, while others inherited a small business and turned it into a giant corporation." What's happening here is not that "the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer." The numbers prove it.

    I have made an executive decision as the owner and ultimate editor of this website that this table and these numbers stay on this website forever - or until next year's numbers come out. In order to get these facts, you have to see them each and every day. This story, along with a link to the IRS chart, will stay somewhere on the RushLimbaugh.com homepage so everyone can see and find these numbers at any time. It's crucial that people get this, so please, share it with a friend now!
    Check Out the UPDATED IRS Table of Numbers from 2001...
    (The IRS: Individual Income Tax Returns Each Tax Year 1986 - 2001)
    {Requires EXCEL to View}
    (Rush Limbaugh.com Non-EXCEL version of the 2000 IRS Data)
    Read the Article...
    (AP: Obscure minimum tax will affect 36 million by 2010)



    I had a conversation with a woman who identified herself as Misty on Wednesday. She claimed to be an accountant, yet she seemed unaware of the Alternative Minimum Tax, which now ensures that everyone pays some taxes. AP reports that the AMT, "designed in 1969 to ensure 155 wealthy people paid some tax," will hit "about 2.6 million of us this year and 36 million by 2010." That's because the tax isn't indexed for inflation! If your salary today would've made you mega-rich in '69, that's how you're taxed.

    Misty tried the old line that all wealth is inherited. Not true. John Weicher, as a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and a visiting scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank, wrote in his February 13, 1997 Washington Post Op-Ed, "Most of the rich have earned their wealth... Looking at the Fortune 400, quite a few even of the very richest people came from a standing start, while others inherited a small business and turned it into a giant corporation." What's happening here is not that "the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer." The numbers prove it.
  • Dr. Love
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 7832

    #2
    Damn lazy-ass poor people.
    I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

    http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58787

      #3
      The fact is that if the rich actually PAID the taxes that they owe, it would probably cut the deficit in half.

      We don't need a drastic overhaul of the tax code. We just need to eliminate all the existing loopholes and the rich can PAY their fair share.
      Eat Us And Smile

      Cenk For America 2024!!

      Justice Democrats


      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49205

        #4
        Re: Only The Rich Pay Taxes

        Originally posted by 4moreyears
        There is new data for 2001. The share of total income taxes paid by the top 1% fell to 33.89% from 37.42% in 2000. This is mainly because their income share (not just wages) fell from 20.81% to 17.53%. However, their average tax rate actually rose slightly from 27.45% to 27.50%.


        *Data covers calendar year 2001, not fiscal year 2001 - and includes all income, not just wages, excluding Social Security





        This proves that it was not the tax cut that caused revenues from the rich to fall, but the recession and the stock market crash. In other words, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. If you are going to benefit from the rich paying more taxes, due to progressivity, on the upside, you are going to lose more revenue from these people on the downside. This is a good argument for reducing progressivity.

        Think of it this way: less than four dollars out of every $100 paid in income taxes in the United States is paid by someone in the bottom 50% of wage earners. Are the top half millionaires? Noooo, more like "thousandaires." The top 50% were those individuals or couples filing jointly who earned $26,000 and up in 1999. (The top 1% earned $293,000-plus.) Americans who want to are continuing to improve their lives - and those who don't want to, aren't. Here are the wage earners in each category and the percentages they pay:

        Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes (Down from 2000 figure: 56.47%). The top 10% pay 64.89% (Down from 2000 figure: 67.33%). The top 25% pay 82.9% (Down from 2000 figure: 84.01%). The top 50% pay 96.03% (Down from 2000 figure: 96.09%). The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.97% of all income taxes. The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%! And who earns what? The top 1% earns 17.53 (2000: 20.81%) of all income. The top 5% earns 31.99 (2000: 35.30%). The top 10% earns 43.11% (2000: 46.01%); the top 25% earns 65.23% (2000: 67.15%), and the top 50% earns 86.19% (2000: 87.01%) of all the income.
        The Rich Earned Their Dough, They Didn't Inherit It (Except Ted Kennedy)

        The bottom 50% is paying a tiny bit of the taxes, so you can't give them much of a tax cut by definition. Yet these are the people to whom the Democrats claim to want to give tax cuts. Remember this the next time you hear the "tax cuts for the rich" business. Understand that the so-called rich are about the only ones paying taxes anymore.



        *Data covers calendar year 2001, not fiscal year 2001 - and includes all income, not just wages, excluding Social Security
        This proves that it was not the tax cut that caused revenues from the rich to fall, but the recession and the stock market crash. In other words, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. If you are going to benefit from the rich paying more taxes, due to progressivity, on the upside, you are going to lose more revenue from these people on the downside. This is a good argument for reducing progressivity.

        Think of it this way: less than four dollars out of every $100 paid in income taxes in the United States is paid by someone in the bottom 50% of wage earners. Are the top half millionaires? Noooo, more like "thousandaires." The top 50% were those individuals or couples filing jointly who earned $26,000 and up in 1999. (The top 1% earned $293,000-plus.) Americans who want to are continuing to improve their lives - and those who don't want to, aren't. Here are the wage earners in each category and the percentages they pay:

        Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes (Down from 2000 figure: 56.47%). The top 10% pay 64.89% (Down from 2000 figure: 67.33%). The top 25% pay 82.9% (Down from 2000 figure: 84.01%). The top 50% pay 96.03% (Down from 2000 figure: 96.09%). The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.97% of all income taxes. The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%! And who earns what? The top 1% earns 17.53 (2000: 20.81%) of all income. The top 5% earns 31.99 (2000: 35.30%). The top 10% earns 43.11% (2000: 46.01%); the top 25% earns 65.23% (2000: 67.15%), and the top 50% earns 86.19% (2000: 87.01%) of all the income.
        The Rich Earned Their Dough, They Didn't Inherit It (Except Ted Kennedy)

        The bottom 50% is paying a tiny bit of the taxes, so you can't give them much of a tax cut by definition. Yet these are the people to whom the Democrats claim to want to give tax cuts. Remember this the next time you hear the "tax cuts for the rich" business. Understand that the so-called rich are about the only ones paying taxes anymore.

        I had a conversation with a woman who identified herself as Misty on Wednesday. She claimed to be an accountant, yet she seemed unaware of the Alternative Minimum Tax, which now ensures that everyone pays some taxes. AP reports that the AMT, "designed in 1969 to ensure 155 wealthy people paid some tax," will hit "about 2.6 million of us this year and 36 million by 2010." That's because the tax isn't indexed for inflation! If your salary today would've made you mega-rich in '69, that's how you're taxed.

        Misty tried the old line that all wealth is inherited. Not true. John Weicher, as a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and a visiting scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank, wrote in his February 13, 1997 Washington Post Op-Ed, "Most of the rich have earned their wealth... Looking at the Fortune 400, quite a few even of the very richest people came from a standing start, while others inherited a small business and turned it into a giant corporation." What's happening here is not that "the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer." The numbers prove it.

        I have made an executive decision as the owner and ultimate editor of this website that this table and these numbers stay on this website forever - or until next year's numbers come out. In order to get these facts, you have to see them each and every day. This story, along with a link to the IRS chart, will stay somewhere on the RushLimbaugh.com homepage so everyone can see and find these numbers at any time. It's crucial that people get this, so please, share it with a friend now!
        Check Out the UPDATED IRS Table of Numbers from 2001...
        (The IRS: Individual Income Tax Returns Each Tax Year 1986 - 2001)
        {Requires EXCEL to View}
        (Rush Limbaugh.com Non-EXCEL version of the 2000 IRS Data)
        Read the Article...
        (AP: Obscure minimum tax will affect 36 million by 2010)



        I had a conversation with a woman who identified herself as Misty on Wednesday. She claimed to be an accountant, yet she seemed unaware of the Alternative Minimum Tax, which now ensures that everyone pays some taxes. AP reports that the AMT, "designed in 1969 to ensure 155 wealthy people paid some tax," will hit "about 2.6 million of us this year and 36 million by 2010." That's because the tax isn't indexed for inflation! If your salary today would've made you mega-rich in '69, that's how you're taxed.

        Misty tried the old line that all wealth is inherited. Not true. John Weicher, as a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and a visiting scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank, wrote in his February 13, 1997 Washington Post Op-Ed, "Most of the rich have earned their wealth... Looking at the Fortune 400, quite a few even of the very richest people came from a standing start, while others inherited a small business and turned it into a giant corporation." What's happening here is not that "the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer." The numbers prove it.
        Do you actually ever have a link for your chain e-mails?

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        • Warham
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Mar 2004
          • 14589

          #5
          You don't think the poor became poor because they paid too much in taxes, do ya?

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          • BigBadBrian
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jan 2004
            • 10625

            #6
            Give those fuckers in the welfare line a broom or rake or something while they are standing there.
            “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49205

              #7
              Originally posted by BigBadBrian
              Give those fuckers in the welfare line a broom or rake or something while they are standing there.
              Yeah! And those major corporations on welfare! Tell 'em to get their asses (HQ's) back here! Lazy cunts!

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              • Betty Bush III
                Groupie
                • Jul 2004
                • 50

                #8
                Originally posted by FORD
                The fact is that if the rich actually PAID the taxes that they owe, it would probably cut the deficit in half.

                We don't need a drastic overhaul of the tax code. We just need to eliminate all the existing loopholes and the rich can PAY their fair share.
                Why should we punish the people who work and create jobs and wealth with an unfair tax code? The more money you make, the higher % the government takes. Please explain to me how that aspect doesn't need to be overhauled in a capitalist country.

                People who don't work by choice should receive NOTHING from the taxpayers! If they turn to crimes then build bigger prisons.

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                • Betty Bush III
                  Groupie
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 50

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  Yeah! And those major corporations on welfare! Tell 'em to get their asses (HQ's) back here! Lazy cunts!
                  Oh those damn corporations!!! Those damn job creators !! Those damn wealth creators !!! To hell with the entire private sector !!!
                  You know the welfare culture is really carrying the load in this country. Standing in line all day, increasing our GDP by eating pallets of Cheetos and Coke. Soon we'll be a world power...

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                  • steve
                    Sniper
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 841

                    #10
                    How about everyone get guns, and no one pay taxes.
                    No roads.
                    No military.
                    No SS for your parents.

                    No corporations on welfare.
                    (no GM, no Chrysler, no United Airlines, no Boeing, no Defense contractors, no Haliburton)

                    No American agricultural system (they survive on govt. tariffs nowadays-otherwise, much of US agriculture would be undercut by South America & Asia).

                    Just us, our guns, and fighting our neighbor for that squirril.

                    Both Republican and Democratic philosophies have been (to greater or lesser extents) based on Rawlsian principles for the past 60 years-I say we've done fairly well by them.

                    Give yourself the ole' "Veil of ignorance" - then write the tax code.

                    Last edited by steve; 04-26-2005, 11:05 PM.

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                    • 4moreyears
                      Commando
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 1245

                      #11
                      Re: Re: Only The Rich Pay Taxes

                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      Do you actually ever have a link for your chain e-mails?
                      Not a chain e-mail.

                      Rush Limbaugh, America's Anchorman and Doctor of Democracy, is known as the pioneer of AM radio. Limbaugh revolutionized the media and political landscape with his unprecedented combination o f serious discussion of political, cultural and social issues along with satirical and biting humor.

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49205

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Betty Bush III
                        Oh those damn corporations!!! Those damn job creators !! Those damn wealth creators !!! To hell with the entire private sector !!!
                        You know the welfare culture is really carrying the load in this country. Standing in line all day, increasing our GDP by eating pallets of Cheetos and Coke. Soon we'll be a world power...
                        Actually the places we ship jobs offshore to soon will be world powers!

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                        • 4moreyears
                          Commando
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 1245

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          Actually the places we ship jobs offshore soon will be world powers!
                          So corporations should pay american workers (many who are in unions) 2 to 3 times the price for labor than most of the competition they face. With the economy being of a global scale If my company is competing with Samsung or Hyundai or another Asian company I want to be competitive so I can win the business. The American worker has priced himself out of the job market in some cases.

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49205

                            #14
                            Originally posted by 4moreyears
                            So corporations should pay american workers (many who are in unions) 2 to 3 times the price for labor than most of the competition they face. With the economy being of a global scale If my company is competing with Samsung or Hyundai or another Asian company I want to be competitive so I can win the business. The American worker has priced himself out of the job market in some cases.
                            And can no longer afford their products in some cases.

                            And why hasn't the vastly overpayed American CEO not priced himself out of a job when Europeon and Asian CEO's earn far less on average?

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                            • steve
                              Sniper
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 841

                              #15
                              If hipocracy were pate, this thread would be an Athur Anderson Christmas party.

                              First of all, those stats are WAY un true...there are many examples of why:



                              Buffett slams dividend tax cut
                              One of world's richest calls plan 'voodoo economics,' says it puts burden on low-income families.

                              May 20, 2003: 10:41 AM EDT NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Renewing his criticism of the dividend tax cut laid out by the Senate last week, Berkshire Hathaway's Warren Buffett called the proposal "voodoo economics" that uses "Enron-style accounting."

                              The Senate's plan for dividends to be 50 percent tax free in 2003, 100 percent tax free in 2004 through 2006 and then face the full tax in 2007 would "further tilt the tax scales toward the rich," Buffett wrote in an opinion piece in the Washington Post.

                              Buffett posed a hypothetical situation in which Berkshire Hathaway, which does not currently pay a dividend, paid $1 billion in dividends next year.

                              Through his 31 percent ownership of the company, Buffett said he would receive an additional $310 million in income that would reduce his tax rate from about 30 percent to 3 percent, while his office secretary would still have a tax rate of about 30 percent.

                              "The 3 percent overall federal tax rate I would pay -- if a Berkshire dividend were to be tax free -- seems a bit light," Buffett wrote.

                              Instead of the Senate's tax cut plan, Buffett proposed that it provide tax reductions to those who need and will spend the money in the form of a Social Security tax "holiday" or a tax rebate to lower-income people.

                              "Putting $1,000 in the pockets of 310,000 families with urgent needs is going to provide far more stimulus to the economy than putting the same $310 million in my pockets," Buffett added.

                              He closed the piece by saying that the "government can't deliver a free lunch to the country as a whole. It can, however, determine who pays for lunch. And last week the Senate handed the bill to the wrong party."


                              4moreyears...
                              here is some reading for you:



                              Economics of Taxation
                              Introduction
                              Throughout history, every organized society had some form of government. In free societies, the goals of government have been to protect individual freedoms and to promote the well-being of society as a whole.

                              To meet their expenses, government need income, called "revenue," which it raises through taxes. In our country, governments levy several different types of taxes on individuals and businesses. The Federal Government relies mainly on income taxes for its revenue. State governments depend on both income and sales taxes. Most county and city governments use property taxes to raise their revenue.

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