Fraud in Washington ???

[4moreyears]

More and more reports are emerging of the extent to which Democrats were willing to go to try to influence the 2004 election.

Well, their tactics worked in Washington State.

Our Republican candidate for Governor, Dino Rossi, actually won the election. Then he won the recount.

Then Democrat-controlled King County "found" 566 new votes just in time for the second recount, enough to overturn the results of Election Day and the first recount.

The new result? Dino Rossi "lost" by 129 votes. But consider the following facts in Washington state;

943 felons illegally voted
49 dead people voted
3 people voted in Washington and another state
2 illegal aliens voted
12 people voted multiple times
174 provisional votes were counted but later found to be cast people who had already voted or were unregistered
Also, at least another 1,600 ballots are still in question:

875 more absentee votes were cast in King County than there were absentee voters
95 more ballots in King County and 50 ballots in Whitman County were "found" after both recounts, and have never been counted
At least 660 provisional ballots were improperly counted in King County.
Dino Rossi is fighting, and voters of good conscience from across this country should stand with him. For more info on Dino Rossi and his ongoing fight, please go to www.dinorossi.com.

[FORD]

Errors, possibly. Fraud, no.

In any event, it pales in comparison to what was done in Florida and Ohio.

Get over it, Sore Lossi Rossiman

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
More and more reports are emerging of the extent to which Democrats were willing to go to try to influence the 2004 election.

Well, their tactics worked in Washington State.

Our Republican candidate for Governor, Dino Rossi, actually won the election. Then he won the recount.

Then Democrat-controlled King County "found" 566 new votes just in time for the second recount, enough to overturn the results of Election Day and the first recount.

The new result? Dino Rossi "lost" by 129 votes. But consider the following facts in Washington state;

943 felons illegally voted
49 dead people voted
3 people voted in Washington and another state
2 illegal aliens voted
12 people voted multiple times
174 provisional votes were counted but later found to be cast people who had already voted or were unregistered
Also, at least another 1,600 ballots are still in question:

875 more absentee votes were cast in King County than there were absentee voters
95 more ballots in King County and 50 ballots in Whitman County were "found" after both recounts, and have never been counted
At least 660 provisional ballots were improperly counted in King County.
Dino Rossi is fighting, and voters of good conscience from across this country should stand with him. For more info on Dino Rossi and his ongoing fight, please go to www.dinorossi.com.

LMFAO!

Irrelevant bullshit.

Cheers!

[Nickdfresh]

Chain E-MAILs are GRAAATE!! You don't even need to think for yourself, others can form your opinion based on selective, false, or misquoted facts. Gotta love chain e-mails! Yaay!

[Warham]

Hillary definately wants every felon in this country to vote. Since liberals are for shorter prison sentences, she assumes they'll all pull the lever for her party. So it doesn't surprise me that Democrats allow felons to vote whenever possible.

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Chain E-MAILs are GRAAATE!! You don't even need to think for yourself, others can form your opinion based on selective, false, or misquoted facts. Gotta love chain e-mails! Yaay!

This doesn't look like a chain e-mail...

Rossi given fresh hope as 'mystery voters' grow
GOP calls on counties to explain a discrepancy of nearly 8,500

By CHRIS McGANN
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER CAPITOL CORRESPONDENT

Thousands of "mystery voters" in the counties of King, Pierce, Snohomish, Clark and Kitsap appear to be Republican Dino Rossi's best prospect for challenging the legitimacy of the closest and most contentious gubernatorial election in the state's history.

The state Republican Party yesterday called on county election officials to explain what the GOP says is a nearly 8,500-vote discrepancy between county vote tallies and the number of people credited with actually voting in the election.

"People ask me what would fraud look like? It would look like this," said state Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance.

County auditors and election officials say Republicans have based their conclusions on there being many more votes than voters on preliminary lists, and they say much of the deviation would be accounted for as voter lists are updated.

But they do not dispute that the numbers don't add up.

And most agree they never will.

"At the end of this, it's never going to match one to one given the volume," said Dean Logan, elections director of King County, which counted about 900,000 votes.

The current number is "larger than I'm comfortable with," Logan said. But based on historical data, he expects the reconciled lists to include 1,000 to 1,500 more votes than voters accounted for even after the lists are reconciled.

Logan said those unaccounted-for votes would likely be from military voters who cast federal write-in ballots and the 76 people in King County who participate in the Address Confidentiality Program.

"I think this is sort of the issue du jour," Logan said. "There has been no evidence of any voter fraud. The differences on the lists are not, in and of themselves, indication that there was."

Vance said that's outrageous.

"You simply can't have more votes counted than you have voters," Vance said. "The counties have to come up with a plausible explanation for this and if they don't this election is invalid on its face."

And Secretary of State Sam Reed again said that this issue could be used to contest the election.

Throughout the process, both parties have scrutinized even the smallest inconsistencies.

Democrat Christine Gregoire became governor-elect when a hand recount of nearly 2.9 million votes put her ahead of Rossi by 129 votes. Rossi had come out 261 votes ahead after the first machine count and 42 votes ahead after the mandatory mechanical recount.

Last week Republicans demanded that King County explain how its tally of votes counted exceeded the number of people listed as voting by 3,539. This week they found similar disparities in other populous counties.

Clark County Auditor Greg Kimsey said he thinks that 553 of the 1,005 vote-to-voter discrepancy there will be accounted for when the list of inactive voters -- those who have not participated in recent elections -- is reconciled with those who did in fact turn out in November.

But he has no plans to try to account for 452 extra poll, absentee and provisional votes.

"It would be a huge task," Kimsey said. "You are looking through 121,679 absentee ballots, affidavit envelopes and through poll books where 50,598 voters cast their ballots.

"The controls that are in place in the election process ensure that only registered voters are going to receive a ballot. While I understand the concern that comes from seeing two different numbers, the controls are at the front end."

Republicans contend that serious questions arise when results are certified before the voter lists are reconciled with the number of votes counted.

The counties say they don't because law does not require it.

Reed said that in each election, counties have a statutory requirement to record the names of all voters who cast ballots. He said that reconciling that list with the list of votes cast is an important quality-control measure.

Significant discrepancies could be of grave concern, he said.

"This is an issue that could potentially be used to contest the election," Reed said. "You'd have to make the point to the judge that it actually made a difference."

Carolyn Diepenbrock, Snohomish County elections manager, said the deviation in her lists is 388, not the more than 1,700 as the Republican's contend.

"We believe that the majority of those 388 are poll voters who signed in the poll book but actually voted a provisional ballot," Diepenbrock said.

She said the county would likely be able to update records as early as tomorrow.

King County officials said they would release completed lists Friday.

Pat McCarthy, Pierce County auditor, said she couldn't say how much the two lists deviated but she knows it's by less than the 1,640 Republicans contend.

She said that if the number were that big "it would have been a problem."

Rossi's spokeswoman Mary Lane said there's no excuse for certifying the election before these lists are reconciled. Otherwise, "we can't be certain that the number they certified is valid," Lane said.

"If someone wanted to commit voter fraud, this is one of the ways they could do it. When you have a number this huge, in an election this close, we need to have the answers and the counties need to provide those answers -- and the onus is on them right now."

One high-profile Republican, former Gov. Dan Evans, joined the chorus calling for a new election with an online essay published Friday.

"Democracy may be messy, but its principles are why it still serves us best," Evans wrote for the Web site www.revotewa.com. "If we screw up the implementation, let's go back to the principles. The voters' will is paramount."

He proposed a special election next month. Yesterday, Evans said his appetite for a revote depends heavily on how King County answers questions about the 3,500-vote difference between voter rolls and certified ballots.

"If they can explain that and there are no other significant errors, in spite of the fact of a close election, it's time to say 'OK, we'll accept it,' " Evans said.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...overnor04.html

[Seshmeister]

I think they need to hunt down the 2 aliens.

Nanoo nanoo!

[Dr. Love]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
I think they need to hunt down the 2 aliens.

Nanoo nanoo!

Nooka Boodaka Christine Gregoire... Hur hur hur hur hur...

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
LMFAO!

Irrelevant bullshit.

Cheers!

Exactly....just as Ohio and Florida were.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
I think they need to hunt down the 2 aliens.

Nanoo nanoo!

The 2 aliens are Chris Vance and Mary Lane. These people are vile, hateful fascist shitbag liars.

[lucky wilbury]

someone tell me how the DEAD vote in person?


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/206969_dead07.html



Friday, January 7, 2005

Dead voted in governor's race
King County investigating 'ghost voter' cases

By PHUONG CAT LE AND MICHELLE NICOLOSI
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS

At least eight people who died well before the November general election were credited with voting in King County, raising new questions about the integrity of the vote total in the narrow governor's race, a Seattle Post-Intelligencer review has found.


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The evidence of votes from dead people is the latest example of flaws in an election already rocked by misplaced votes and allegations that there were thousands more votes counted than actual voters.

County officials say they are investigating the cases pointed out by the P-I. "These are not indications of fraud," said Bill Huennekens, King County's elections supervisor. "Fraud is a concerted effort to change an election."

The P-I review found eight people who died weeks before absentee ballots were mailed out, between Oct. 13 and 15, but were credited with voting in King County. Among them was an 81-year-old Seattle woman who died in August but is recorded as having voted at the polls.

The state is required by law to send monthly lists of the deceased to county auditors so they can purge those names from their voter rolls. But those lists are sent only every few months. That means thousands of deceased voters may have been sent absentee ballots.

"If we don't receive a notice that they're dead, then we have no way of taking them off the rolls," said Dean Logan, the county's elections director. Relatives of the deceased can and do cancel some registrations, he said.

Doris McFarland said she voted for her husband, Earl, who died Oct. 7.

"I called up the elections board and said, 'Can I do it because he wanted me to vote?' " the Duvall woman said. "The person ... said, 'Well, who would know?' I said, 'I don't want to do anything that is wrong.' "

Huennekens disputed that election workers would say such a thing.

McFarland said she signed her husband's name and mailed in his ballot, along with her own. She said she had power of attorney for her 92-year-old husband, who was blind.

"If I did something that wasn't right, you can just throw that ballot out," McFarland said last night.

Huennekens said one of the P-I's eight cases involved an administrative error that showed a deceased person as voting and would be corrected. In four cases, the signatures on the ballot matched. Huennekens said officials needed further information or could not track down enough information on the other cases.

Election officials said that if cases merit potential fraud, they would forward them on for prosecution.

King County keeps a voter list as a record of who voted in elections and to establish requirements for levies and bonds, Logan said.

The preliminary voter list shows that Mary Coffey mailed in a ballot. But the 51-year-old Seattle woman died about two weeks before absentee ballots were mailed.

"She couldn't have (voted). She died on Sept. 29," said her husband, Michael Coffey. He added that he voted by mail, but destroyed his wife's ballot when it arrived in the mail.

"I don't see how she could have voted. It doesn't make sense. There has to be some kind of error that happened."

Election officials were still looking into what happened in her case.

Bob Holmgren said yesterday that he voted on behalf of his late wife, Charlette Holmgren, who died Sept. 29. The West Seattle man filled out his own ballot and hers, and signed both of them.

"Her vote was important to her," Holmgren said. "She was very strongly against Governor-elect Gregoire." Election officials said all signatures on absentee ballots were doubled-checked against the signature on record.

"Our system of allowing people to vote absentee and never checking anything is designed for voter convenience at the expense of security," said Chris Vance, chairman of the state Republican Party.

He said the GOP has found cases of dead people casting ballots, and it plans to challenge the race results.

Votes from the 2004 election have been heavily scrutinized . With Democrat Christine Gregoire set to take office on Wednesday, Republicans are searching for ways to contest the election and force a revote.

Kirstin Brost, spokeswoman for the state Democratic Party, said, "We're very satisfied with the results of this election. It's the most closely examined election in our state's history."

James M. Courneya of Auburn died three months before the election. But the King County voter list shows that he voted absentee.

"He couldn't have. He died Aug. 7," said his wife, Anna Courneya, who resides at the same address as her late husband. She said her husband didn't receive a ballot but she did. She voted absentee but the King County voters list doesn't register her vote, only his.

Huennekens said Anna Courneya voted using her husband's ballot, and because she didn't cast a separate one, that ballot was valid.

The state Health Department sends out lists of the deceased "every two to three months," not every month as the law states, said Jennifer Tebaldi, who helps oversee the department's vital statistics operation.

"We have an informal understanding with the counties that we send it when there's a bulk of information to send."

County auditors received lists of the deceased from the state three times last year -- on Jan. 28, May 5 and Nov. 1, a day before the election. Most of the names they received in May were of people who died in 2003, because of a lag of four to six months in collecting and sending data.

Secretary of State Sam Reed said a statewide voter database, expected in 2006, would improve the process.

He said he hasn't seen the problem of dead people voting occur in Washington. Voter fraud is a serious crime that may be punished with up to 10 years in prison and up to a $10,000 fine, he said.

"We do not expect people to sit down and vote a ballot just because it happens to arrive in their homes," Reed said. "Double-checks are in place."

Rosalie B. Simpson, 81, died of a massive heart attack Aug. 4, but voter rolls show she voted at the polls.

If a voter dies after having voted, it's still perfectly legal, Logan said.

Owen Skau of Federal Way made his choices before he died last October, said his wife, Maya.

"He filled it out," she said. "He always voted. ... He filled out his vote before he fell and had a heart attack. But he had it filled out. I went ahead and mailed it in."

Other voting problems may also be raised. Timothy Harris, general counsel for the Building Industry Association of Washington, which is preparing a court challenge of the governor's race, said his group has documented about 50 felons who did not have their voting rights restored but voted in Pierce County.

[Sarge's Little Helper]

Republicans lie.

[Nickdfresh]

The Republicans are pissed because they can only keep low income-urban voters from casting ballots, not the dead.

[FORD]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury


Bob Holmgren said yesterday that he voted on behalf of his late wife, Charlette Holmgren, who died Sept. 29. The West Seattle man filled out his own ballot and hers, and signed both of them.

"Her vote was important to her," Holmgren said. "She was very strongly against Governor-elect Gregoire."

And this is exactly why the Sore Lossi-Rossiman challenge will go nowhere, because the more these fools dig up, the more dirt they get on themselves.

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by FORD
And this is exactly why the Sore Lossi-Rossiman challenge will go nowhere, because the more these fools dig up, the more dirt they get on themselves.

I know this coupl. That is a lie they are both democrats. They did not vote for Rossi.

[lucky wilbury]

i still want to know how dead people vote AT the polls

[FORD]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
i still want to know how dead people vote AT the polls

Maybe that's where Diebold comes in?

[Guitar Shark]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ection19m.html

Election manager linked to false report

By Keith Ervin

Seattle Times staff reporter

King County's absentee-ballot supervisor has testified that she collaborated with her boss when she filled out a report that falsely showed all ballots were accounted for in the November election.

Nicole Way said in a deposition Friday that she and assistant elections superintendent Garth Fell agreed to the misleading report because officials didn't know how many absentee ballots were returned by voters.

Way is the first employee to link an upper-level manager with a practice that failed to meet state ballot-auditing regulations.

The regulations require counties to reconcile the number of absentee ballots returned by voters with the number of ballots accepted or rejected. Way's report showed perfect reconciliation because it simply added the number accepted and rejected to calculate ballots returned.

Elections officials now acknowledge that dozens of absentee ballots were misplaced and the votes not tabulated during the November election. The ballots were never counted as accepted or rejected.

She said elections director Dean Logan and elections superintendent Bill Huennekens were aware that a newly installed computer was unable to give a precise count of ballots returned, but she did not suggest that they knew how the Mail Ballot Report was prepared.

Elections officials declined to comment on Way's testimony.

"That's something that's part of my deposition as well," Fell said. "I'd let that record speak for itself when it comes out."

Fell, who was deposed one day before Way, will answer more questions from lawyers tomorrow. His deposition wasn't available yesterday.

King County elections spokeswoman Bobbie Egan said Logan and Huennekens also would not comment. "This is part of the election contest, and we must respect that," Egan said.

Way, who has been suspended with pay during an investigation into problems with the handling of absentee ballots, testified in connection with the Republican Party's contest of Democrat Christine Gregoire's election as governor.

That contest goes to trial Monday before Chelan County Superior Court Judge John Bridges. Republicans have cited King County's inability to say who cast hundreds of ballots as one reason to overturn the election.

Way testified elections officials couldn't keep track of ballots returned because the new computer system "didn't seem to track things on the scale that we would need it [to]."

She also said the computer didn't tally the number of ballots it automatically rejected for various reasons.

Way said she and Fell agreed that adding together the number of ballots accepted and rejected was "the only thing we could do" to come up with a ballots-returned number. "I believe he was sitting at my desk when we were filling it out, and we discussed it then," she said.

Secretary of State Sam Reed has called King County's ballot report "appalling" and "totally unacceptable."

Logan last month reassigned Way and her entire staff to jobs outside the Mail Ballot Operations Satellite after 95 valid absentee ballots from the November election were found uncounted inside their original envelopes.

Way and three other employees later were placed on paid administrative leave when ballot envelopes were mailed without ballots to some voters for an April 26 special election.

In other testimony, Way said:

• It is possible there are more uncounted ballots, despite a painstaking search through boxes of ballot envelopes. She didn't elaborate on that statement.

• The county had no system for investigating discrepancies in counts of absentee ballots between the time they were verified and the individual votes counted.

• At least 566 valid absentee ballots weren't included in two out of three vote counts in the governor's election because she mistakenly thought there weren't any signatures in county files to verify the ballots.

She said an unknown number of valid ballots weren't counted in the September primary for the same reason.

Logan and Huennekens ordered staff members a year ago to not count absentee ballots when they couldn't find a signature in the voter database to compare to the voter's signature on the ballot envelope.

But Huennekens said in a deposition last month he recently learned that an unknown number of provisional ballots were counted after workers failed to find signatures on file. Provisional ballots are those cast by voters whose names don't appear in poll books or who are voting outside their precincts. They aren't supposed to be counted until the voters' eligibility and signatures are verified.

Assistant elections superintendent Carlos Webb said yesterday that he had instructed the staff to count those unverified ballots, but he declined to explain why.

More than 700 other provisional ballots were counted at polling places before voters' eligibility was verified — a violation of county and state policies.

Keith Ervin: 206-464-2105 or kervin@seattletimes.com

Copyright © 2005 The Seattle Times Company

[4moreyears]

Gov. Elect Rossi went to court to have the election turned today. It looks like there may be another eletion in Washington. Nothing would make me happier than for this to happen. Ford will go ape shit, and I will laugh my ass off.

[Warham]

Washington needs a Republican governor.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
Washington needs a Republican governor.

We had one for the last 8 years. Ask any teacher or state employee.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
Gov. Elect Rossi went to court to have the election turned today. It looks like there may be another eletion in Washington. Nothing would make me happier than for this to happen. Ford will go ape shit, and I will laugh my ass off.

The trial DID start today, but I don't give it much chance of success. It's too bad because it's pretty clear to me that the last "recount" was fraudulent.

[Warham]

If it's clear to the layman that the recount was a fraud then why wouldn't the case have any merit?

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Warham
If it's clear to the layman that the recount was a fraud then why wouldn't the case have any merit?

Because the legal standard for overturning an election is an extremely difficult one to meet.

Whatever the outcome of the trial, it will be appealed... so we won't get a final answer for some time. The longer it goes, the less likely the Republicans will achieve their goal of overturning the election.

[Guitar Shark]

To expand on my last post -- the problem is one of proof. The election doesn't pass the "smell test", but proving fraud is another thing entirely. From what I've been reading in the papers, it doesn't sound like the Repubs have the proof they need. This is a case of first impression in our state, so it's unclear exactly what standard is required.

[Warham]

I see the difference you are referring to.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
To expand on my last post -- the problem is one of proof. The election doesn't pass the "smell test", but proving fraud is another thing entirely. From what I've been reading in the papers, it doesn't sound like the Repubs have the proof they need. This is a case of first impression in our state, so it's unclear exactly what standard is required.

Does that remind you of something? Deja-vu...All over again?

[Guitar Shark]

As I expected, the judge rejected the Republicans' claims this morning and ruled in favor of the Democrats. The election will stand. It will almost certainly be appealed to the state supreme court, but given the current makeup of the court I don't think a reversal is likely at all.

Looks like FORD gets to keep his job

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
As I expected, the judge rejected the Republicans' claims this morning and ruled in favor of the Democrats. The election will stand. It will almost certainly be appealed to the state supreme court, but given the current makeup of the court I don't think a reversal is likely at all.

Looks like FORD gets to keep his job

And maybe now Sore Lossi Rossiman can slither back to California. Or better yet, he should move to Idaho where his Bush worship would be encouraged, but they would probably still call him a "liberal"

[Guitar Shark]

He wasn't a sore loser FORD, I think he really won the election. He just can't prove it. But put whatever spin on it you wish.

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
He wasn't a sore loser FORD, I think he really won the election. He just can't prove it. But put whatever spin on it you wish.

Ford lives in the spin zone.

JH

[FORD]

For Immediate Release
June 7, 2005

Contact: Luis Miranda - (202) 863-8148

Dean Statement on Washington State Election Trial

Washington, DC - Gov. Howard Dean, Chairman of the Democratic National
Committee, issued the following statement:

"I congratulate Governor Christine Gregoire and am happy that the trial has
finally ended. The people of Washington State and our democracy were the real
winners in yesterday's court decision. Chelan County Superior Court Judge John
Bridges confirmed what we knew six months ago: when the votes were counted,
Christine Gregoire was elected Governor of Washington State. The voices of the
millions who voted have been heard, every single vote truly made a difference,
and our democracy and our judicial process worked just as they should have.

"It's disappointing that instead of graciously conceding back in December when
all the votes were counted and it was clear that he had lost, Mr. Rossi instead
chose to follow the disturbing pattern of the Republican Party by trying to
change the rules when things didn't go his way. The ruling yesterday reaffirmed
the importance of an independent judiciary.

"We are all proud of the job that Gov. Gregoire is doing for the people of
Washington State. For the past six months Gov. Gregoire has focused on the
issues that affect the daily lives of the people she serves, and we look
forward to her continued leadership."

[hollywood5150]

SPIN ZONE..............SPINE ZONE................

FORD you fucking liberal drama queen..........

this is rock and roll website..........#1

this is an American political issue....#2

#3...........YOUR CANADIAN!!!!!!!

[Redballjets88]

haha i love that hollywood everytime he bitches you remind him where his place in american politics is

[hollywood5150]

thanks brother..........you do pretty good yourself........

notice he never has a good response............

he just comes back with an immature personal attack

[FORD]

So, should I let these two illiterate homo lovebirds go on with their stupidity, or should I lay the smack down on their asses??

Canadian??? Where the Hell did the imbecile get that from?

[Warham]

The only party that likes the change the rules are the Democrats.

They have to get their agenda through by going to the courts, ie, gay marriage. If left to a vote by the people, their wacky agenda never would succeed.

And Mr. Dean, the Republicans only did what you guys did in 2000 and 2004. Can't dish it out if you can't take it.

[hollywood5150]

Warham............hey hey hey.........can top that....huh FORD...

come on Ford............rebutal.............come........ON ....REBUTAL

how come everytime someone who knows what is goin on, you never have an answer??

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
The only party that likes the change the rules are the Democrats.

Two words: "Nuclear Option"

They have to get their agenda through by going to the courts, ie, gay marriage. If left to a vote by the people, their wacky agenda never would succeed.

Which is why the right wingers want courts to pass laws against gay marriage. Or against abortion. Or pulling feeding tubes out of brain dead vegetables.

And Mr. Dean, the Republicans only did what you guys did in 2000 and 2004. Can't dish it out if you can't take it.

Gore conceded after 36 days. Kerry pussied out before the Ohio ballots were even counted. This bullshit went on 8 fucking months!! And that's for one state.

[Warham]

Gore conceded only because the Supreme Court put a stop to the nonsense.

He would have went on for years if they allowed as many recounts as it took for him to win. That is, after enough chads were punched out in his favor.