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  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32555

    Bush To FINALLY visit Viet Nam

    By DEB RIECHMANN, AP

    WASHINGTON (June 21) - President Bush opened the Oval Office on Tuesday to the highest-ranking official from communist Vietnam to visit since the end of the war that divided America and claimed the lives of more than 58,000 U.S. troops.



    Bush said he would visit Vietnam next year.

    The president and Prime Minister Phan Van Khai talked about the continuing search for American soldiers' remains to close what Bush called a ''sad chapter.'' But they focused their attention on Vietnam's desire to join the World Trade Organization as well as its human-rights record, which some lawmakers say remains tainted.

    ''The Vietnamese economy is growing quite substantially,'' said Bush, who announced plans to attend an Asia-Pacific economic summit next year in Hanoi. ''We talked about our desire for Vietnam to join the WTO. We talked about security issues and a mutual desire to coordinate in the war on terror.''

    The president also noted the Vietnam Religious Freedom Agreement, an accord signed in May that Bush said would make it easier for people to worship freely in Vietnam.

    Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., and 44 other members of Congress sent a letter to Bush urging him to keep pressuring Vietnam to improve its human-rights record and noting that last year, for the first time, the State Department designated Vietnam a ''country of particular concern'' for violating religious freedom.




    Human Rights Watch says hundreds of dissidents have been jailed on criminal charges for advocating democratic reforms or using the Internet to disseminate proposals for human rights and religious freedom.

    In the House, Rep. Chris Smith, R-N.J., called Khai a ''master of deception'' and pledged to hold hearings in Congress between now and the summit in Hanoi to see if the agreement was being implemented. ''It won't take long to find out if this is a public-relations coup on the part of Khai or whether it's sincere,'' Smith said.

    White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Bush discussed the importance of moving forward on improving human rights and expanding religious freedom. ''Vietnam has taken some steps,'' McClellan said. ''We welcome those steps. There is more to do.''

    As the two leaders met, several hundred protesters across from the White House demonstrated against repressive conditions in the communist nation. The noisy protesters chanted and carried signs that said ''Stop Religious Repression'' and ''Vietnamese Communist Party = Nazi Party.''

    John Wheeler, who chaired the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund to build the memorial wall in Washington, expressed dismay at the demonstration. ''Vietnam is making real progress,'' said Wheeler, who graduated from West Point and served in the war in 1969 and 1970. ''This visit is an historic transition. Vietnam is becoming a friend and even a possible ally.''

    In addition to Khai, Vietnam's other top leaders include President Tran Duc Luong and Nong Duc Manh, the head of the ruling Communist Party.

    Officials with the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation said they were encouraged by Khai's visit and trade and economic developments. In 1981, the group's founders became the first delegation of Vietnam veterans to visit after the war which took its toll on both nations: Nearly 60,000 American dead; nearly 224,000 South Vietnamese killed; 1.1 million communist fighters killed; and nearly 2 million civilians killed.

    During his weeklong trip to the United States, Khai visited The Boeing Co. plant south of Seattle and met with Microsoft Corp. Chairman Bill Gates in Redmond, Wash. Later this week, Khai is ringing the opening bell at the New York Stock Exchange - evidence of Vietnam's economic gains.

    In the 10 years since diplomatic ties were restored, the United States has become Vietnam's top trading partner. Last year, two-way trade was worth $6.4 billion.

    ''We have a population of 80 million people, which means a huge market for American businesses,'' Khai said.

    Khai and the Vietnamese delegation joined Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez to witness the formal signing of a series of business deals, including a Vietnam Airlines agreement to buy four new jetliners, valued at $500 million, from Boeing.

    After talking with Bush, Khai was at the State Department to sign an agreement to cooperate on adoptions.

    He also met with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld at the Pentagon. Military ties between the two countries have included periodic docking of U.S. warships in Vietnam, plans for U.S. military training of Vietnamese officers, intelligence sharing and cooperation on counterterrorism activities.
    Originally posted by Kristy
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  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32555

    #2
    Hope he still has his flight suit from the USS Lincoln
    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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    • Nitro Express
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 32794

      #3
      I've been to Vietnam. Much like China was when I was there in 1980. It's still the same governmental mentality we fought against in the 1960's, but now they want to make money and our corporations want their cheap labor. I find it sad that we are going to forget all those people killed and the people tortured by the Vietmese just so a few rich corporate leaders can make some $$$$$$. The average American or Vietmese won't bennefit at all over any economic deal made. It just drives it home all those names on the Vietnam memorial died for nothing.

      You bet your ass there are human rights violations in Vietnam. We might as well take our business elsewhere and let them starve in their puke pond than give them access to our markets. We still need to say "Fuck You!" to Vietnam.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • LoungeMachine
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jul 2004
        • 32555

        #4
        " Sure, NOW he wants to go" - National Guard Troops
        Originally posted by Kristy
        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
        Originally posted by cadaverdog
        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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        • LoungeMachine
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Jul 2004
          • 32555

          #5
          " I'd like from hence forth be known as a Viet Nam Vet" - G.W. Bush
          Originally posted by Kristy
          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
          Originally posted by cadaverdog
          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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          • Guitar Shark
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Jan 2004
            • 7576

            #6
            LOL!
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            Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
            Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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            • Hardrock69
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Feb 2005
              • 21834

              #7
              Perhaps if he had gone like he was SUPPOSED TO back in the day, he might have gotten shot by some Viet Cong, and the U.S. would not be in the mess it is in today....

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              • Rikk
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jan 2004
                • 16373

                #8
                :p

                Are you kidding? He would never have gone in the jungle had he gone over there. He would have probably taken on some cushy position that allowed him to indulge in the herb and bourbon.
                Roth Army Militia

                Originally posted by WARF
                Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.

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                • DrMaddVibe
                  ROTH ARMY ELITE
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 6658

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rikk
                  :p

                  Are you kidding? He would never have gone in the jungle had he gone over there. He would have probably taken on some cushy position that allowed him to indulge in the herb and bourbon.
                  Or been allowed to type stories from the barracks for "Stars & Stripes" like Algore did!

                  "Military service
                  Gore served as a field reporter in Vietnam for five months.
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                  Gore served as a field reporter in Vietnam for five months.

                  Gore served in the Army from August 1969 to May 1971. The chronology of his military service is as follows:

                  * August 1969: Enlisted at the Newark, New Jersey recruiting office.
                  * August to October 1969: 8 weeks of basic training at Fort Dix, New Jersey
                  * Late October 1969 to December 1970: Fort Rucker, Alabama, on-the-job occupational training at the Army Flier newspaper.
                  * January 1971 to May 1971: field reporter in Vietnam, part of the 20th Engineer Brigade, stationed primarily at Bien Hoa Air Base near Saigon.
                  * May 24, 1971: Discharged, after granting of early discharge request, as part of general troop reductions.

                  Gore stated many times that he opposed the Vietnam War, but chose to enlist anyway. Some observers have noted that Gore could have avoided Vietnam in a number of ways. Gore considered all these options, but said that his sense of civic duty compelled him to serve. Some have suggested that Gore already foresaw that military service might be advantageous in his future career in politics.

                  During the 2000 presidential election, some conservatives accused Al Gore of insufficient military service, because he was "only" a journalist and spent only five months in Vietnam, which some sources have characterized as "less than half the standard 12 month Vietnam tour." Although this is true, Gore served in the Army only 75 fewer days than the standard two-year term. Gore was not shipped immediately to Vietnam after completing basic training, spending most of his term in Fort Rucker.

                  Because Gore was a journalist, he was never exposed to front-line combat, and some allege that his famous father's influence helped him to obtain this position. However, others argue that any man who enlisted with a Harvard degree had a good chance of being assigned a support specialty rather than an infantry position.

                  Once in Vietnam, some also allege that Gore received special treatment as a former Senator's son (Gore Sr. lost the 1970 election, and was no longer a Senator by the time Gore arrived in Vietnam). According to combat photographer H. Alan Leo, Gore was protected from dangerous situations at the request of Brigadier General Kenneth B. Cooper, the 20th Engineer Brigades Commander. Leo stated that Gore's trips into the field were safe, and that Gore "could have worn a tuxedo." These remarks seem to contradict Gore's public statements that he "walked through the elephant grass" and "was fired upon."

                  For his part, Gore has stated that he knew Leo but rarely traveled with him in Vietnam, and that he never felt that he was being given special protection. On the other hand, Leo's testimony is that Cooper gave the orders before Gore arrived, so Gore would not know about them. The question of whether Leo frequently traveled with Gore or not still has not been conclusively answered."

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                  • FORD
                    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 58754

                    #10
                    So Gore didn't see the front lines, but at least he volunteered and signed up. Congratulations on making Junior look like even more of a pussy coward
                    Eat Us And Smile

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                    • DrMaddVibe
                      ROTH ARMY ELITE
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 6658

                      #11
                      Bush did sign up..ANG.

                      Let's go down this path again. Talk about beating a dead horse!
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                      • LoungeMachine
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 32555

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
                        Bush did sign up..ANG.

                        Of course SIGNING up and SHOWING up are 2 completely different matters.....

                        But hey, why split hairs where LIVES are on the line

                        Your pathetic attempt to defend him and his record by deflecting to Gore's actually GOING OVER THERE is mindblowing....


                        But then hey, the Viet Cong COULD have made it to our mainland, in which case the AWOL Bush would have come back to defend us!!!
                        Originally posted by Kristy
                        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                        Originally posted by cadaverdog
                        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                        • BigBadBrian
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 10620

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Rikk
                          :p

                          Are you kidding? He would never have gone in the jungle had he gone over there. He would have probably taken on some cushy position that allowed him to indulge in the herb and bourbon.
                          You mean like the 5 month rear area journalist assignment algore's father got him? Remember: the normal tour over there was 13 months. algore did five.

                          “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                          • BigBadBrian
                            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 10620

                            #14
                            Originally posted by FORD
                            So Gore didn't see the front lines, but at least he volunteered and signed up. Congratulations on making Junior look like even more of a pussy coward
                            Your service?

                            Lounge?


                            Pussies.

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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 58754

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                              Your service?

                              Lounge?


                              Pussies.

                              If I was a raving neocon warmonger demanding that others die for corporate profits and/or Zionist Likud expansionism, you would have a valid point.

                              But since I am opposed to any and all wars that are not specifically for the defense of the United States of America, I don't ask others to do that which I would not do myself. Unlike most of the neocons on this board (yourself being an exception) and about 99% of the scumbags over at Free Republic and other Busheep sites.
                              Eat Us And Smile

                              Cenk For America 2024!!

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                              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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