Tom Cruise says He knows the history of Psychiatry

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mr. G
Actually Time retracted thier article years ago. This original thread had to do with Psychiatry but with all the adolescent squeeling nobody has posted one scientific study. I have answered many questions and backed up my claims but there hasen't been any claim backing on the other side. So I am guessing nobody wants to have a grownup conversation. Oh well. Life goes on.

Really? Show me the retraction statement then!

TIME's story has in fact been corroborated by recent reporting in THE BUFFALO NEWS.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mr. G
How about ANOTHER opinion from a psychologist.

The Following Was In The ConservativeVoice.com

Gee...I wonder who owns "Conservative Voice?" What a major national publication that is...

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Mr. G
How about ANOTHER opinion from a psychologist.

This dude's probably ostricised as well. Good for him...there is no doubt over-prescribing of psychoactive drugs takes place.

"Doctors" don't tool around in Benzo's via yohimbe recommendations. Pharmaceutical companies make these people, and themselves rich selling pills.

That's a problem.

Proper usage of said drugs is not. Tom Cruise is a fucking idiot.....his generalized, slanted, attention-seeking comments are laughable.

I tell you what, put Tom Cruise and his space worshiping buddies to the task with a violent manic-depressive. I'm talking the real deal here...not some fucking melancholy housewife. They can put aloe salve on the motherfuckers emergency-room quality gashes he/she inflicts upon he/she's self. They can use organic cleaning solvents after he/she defacates and/or urinates all over their quarters. Sing a fucking song to the person...take 'em to the fucking park. None of it will work.

You know what will work?
A hardcore sedative, followed up with proper, long-term medication.

This shit is fucking ridiculous.

[Mr. G]

You can always tell when someone is losing an intellectual argument, they attack the messenger instead of the message. Go ahead and make my point further. Go ahead. This is fun.

[Seshmeister]

LOL!

Dude Scientology and Intellectual arguments don't mix...

Or were you talking about yourself.

[Mr. G]

Hey you made my point AGAIN. Thank you.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Cruise goes real creepy
By Nick Papps
July 11, 2005

KATIE Holmes felt real pain when Tom Cruise took her to Spain to meet up with his ex, Penelope Cruz Living in the Cruise lane has become even weirder for Katie Holmes.

Just when she thought she'd done it all with Cruise, he's now made Holmes meet his ex, Penelope Cruz, to receive her approval.
Cruise organised the cosy get-together at the Scientology Centre in Madrid.

Not only did Holmes have to meet Cruise's girlfriend of two years there, she also had to meet all Cruz's relos, who had flown in for the night.

The evening from hell kick-started with Holmes watching Cruise give Cruz a huge hug and scream "I love her" at his ex.

According to a Cruz insider, "You could almost see the hurt in Katie's eyes as she looked across at Tom and Penelope.

"It seemed difficult for Katie to handle meeting Penelope under such strange circumstances.

"Penelope still holds a place in her heart for Tom. They had a very passionate relationship."

Cruz and Holmes were then forced to hug. Holmes then got a chance to meet the Cruz family.

It's also been revealed that the 16 days in late May when Cruise and Holmes vanished were spent at a Scientology detox centre in Canada where Cruise helps recovering addicts.

Also, that $8.8 million rock on Katie's finger was selected by a Scientology adviser, not Tom, and it's got "spiritual powers", according to our (very in) spy.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Sick, absoultely sick.

Poor kids.



TOM'S CONVERTING THE KIDS, TOO

IT'S official - Tom Cruise is raising his and Nicole Kidman's children as Scientologists.

According to the May issue of Source, a magazine endorsed by the Church of Scientology, Cruise's 12-year-old daughter, Isabella, has completed the "Basic Study Manual," an introductory level course in the sci-fi-based religion that's been embraced by a swarm of Hollywood celebrities.

Isabella and her 10-year-old brother, Connor, live with Cruise in Beverly Hills, where they're being home-schooled by his Scientologist sisters Cass and Marian, according to Cultnews.com.

If Isabella and Connor follow their famous father into the L. Ron Hubbard-invented ideology, it will be a victory for Cruise over his ex-wife. When Kidman and Cruise's marriage fizzled in 2001, many close to the couple blamed Scientology.

The thorny issue of whose faith their children would adopt was cited as a major factor in the split. Kidman is a devout Catholic, while "War of the Worlds" star Cruise has been one of Scientology's most outspoken proponents.

But their divorce settlement reportedly stipulates that both parents would make joint decisions about their children's education and religious upbringing.

Cultnews.com also speculates that Scientologists may eventually turn the children against Kidman.

According to the Web site, Scientologists hook up children to their goofy "e-meter" devices, which are used to "interrogate" them. The site claims that the kids are urged to denounce "non-believers" in their own families who are branded as "suppressive persons" if they object to the child's conversion to Scientology.

Kidman, who has remained steadfastly mum throughout Cruise's ongoing public meltdown and his relationship with fiancee Katie Holmes, could be branded a "suppressive person" and shunned by her own daughter for speaking out against her ex-husband's crusading ways, the site claims.

Reps for Cruise and Kidman were unavailable for comment.

[Hardrock69]

This was in the paper this morning:


Mag: Katie is really under Tom's Spell

W Magazine paints a chilling picture of the future Mrs. Tom Cruise in it's August issue, portraying Katie Holmes, 26, "her beautiful green eyes focused on nothing in particular," gushing incessantly about her fiance.

In an excerpt at www.style.com, writer Robert Haskell describes Holmes as answering all questions with hosannas to Cruise, 42 - "man of my dreams...most incredible man....so generous and kind..."

Hovering nearby, he writes, is the "tall, cold-eyed Jessica Rodriguez," Holmes' "Scientologist Chaperone." When Holmes is asked about rumours that Cruise made a financial arrangement with her after auditioning Scarlett Johanson, Jessica Alba and Kate Bosworth, Rodriguez jumps in, "The truth is, we don't read that stuff because it's just rude."

The magazine will be out July 22.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Oh man.

If I were Katie's parents I'd be seriously worried for their daughter.

Maybe they're under the fucking spell too?

So far, it hasn't helped Miss Holmes' career.

She reportedly dropped a high profile role to play a drug addict in a movie which would've brought her some legitimacy in her acting or some critical praise. Apparently Cruise and his Scientology goons nixed the whole thing for her because it dealt with drugs.

Also, the producers of Batman Begins have already announced that she will not be in the sequel -- whereas everyone else have already signed on.

In Yodaspeak, "The good-natured, young girl from Toledo, gone she is, consumed by Tom Cruise and Scientology".

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Mr. G
You can always tell when someone is losing an intellectual argument, they attack the messenger instead of the message. Go ahead and make my point further. Go ahead. This is fun.

I more than laid waste to the message dude. If I attacked the messenger...like literally?

Shit, I'd just bust out a squirrel trap. That cocktail mixin' thespian is hardly bigger than a housecat.

[Mr. G]

You can bitch and whine as much as you want but you can never post a scientific study that proves the chemical imbalance theory. I hate to beat a dead horse but nobody wants to step up to the plate. OK with me. And no I didn't mean literally.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Mr. G
You can bitch and whine as much as you want but you can never post a scientific study that proves the chemical imbalance theory. I hate to beat a dead horse but nobody wants to step up to the plate. OK with me. And no I didn't mean literally.

I'm not bitching.
I'm not whining.
As a matter of fact, I'm busting out comedic relief.

Maybe it isn't a chemical imbalance? Maybe violent manic depressives' and 3rd level bi-polars are the result of their mothers competing in roller derbys. Fuck, it could boil down to the freon problem in older Lincoln-Mercury products. I could give a shit less where they have their deep-seeded Freudian roots planted.

I'll tell you this much, a good-ol' fashioned Haldol/Lithium cocktail, administered properly, will replace biting with drooling.

BAM.

The world's a safer place.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Mr. G
You can bitch and whine as much as you want but you can never post a scientific study that proves the chemical imbalance theory. I hate to beat a dead horse but nobody wants to step up to the plate. OK with me. And no I didn't mean literally.

Why would anyone go and try and find a scientific study for someone that has shown that they are a brainwashed

What's the point?

If you can't see what is patently obvious about your cult conning, stealing and lying then the semantics of the brains chemical balance are hardly going to affect your point of view.

And incidently if the brain doesn't work on electrical and chemical signals how does it work? Dragons or aliens?

Tell you what send me some money and I'll tell you the BIG secrets like how you are OWNED...

[Mr. G]

Well here is the point. The Psychs have been saying for decades that there IS a chemical imbalance and a lot of people have decided that it is true without one study. A sheep is someone who just goes along and doesn't have thier own point of view based on reason, sound familiar? Feel free to think I am brainwashed but I am asking a simple question, I am not telling you your point of view I am asking you to back it up. Simple no?

[ashstralia]

Originally posted by Mr. G
Well here is the point. The Psychs have been saying for decades that there IS a chemical imbalance and a lot of people have decided that it is true without one study. A sheep is someone who just goes along and doesn't have thier own point of view based on reason, sound familiar? Feel free to think I am brainwashed but I am asking a simple question, I am not telling you your point of view I am asking you to back it up. Simple no?

okay, say i'm curious and want to give scientology a go.

can i just rock up on sunday, and sit up the back?

are you guys in the phone book?

[NATEDOG001976]

Tom Cruise is a moron. I wish he would go away!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mr. G
Well here is the point. The Psychs have been saying for decades that there IS a chemical imbalance and a lot of people have decided that it is true without one study. A sheep is someone who just goes along and doesn't have thier own point of view based on reason, sound familiar? Feel free to think I am brainwashed but I am asking a simple question, I am not telling you your point of view I am asking you to back it up. Simple no?

Can you show me a study on the effectiveness and validity of E-Meter readings?

[Hardrock69]

I doubt he can. He cannot even prove that there ISN'T such a thing as a "chemical imbalance".

He is just regurgitating the Gospel of St. L. Ron Hoover.

There is such a thing though as a FINANCIAL imbalance....where a person joins the CoS and ends up broke, cause the CoS has convinced him that he is insane, and can only get better through sacrificing his income to them....

[superdave]

The local radio station said the other day that Tom & Rob Thomas have 'something' going on

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by superdave
The local radio station said the other day that Tom & Rob Thomas have 'something' going on

Well, they'd be good at blowing each other. TOM CRUISE really sucks as an actor and ROB THOMAS' music sucks almost as hard.

[Mr. G]

I would be happy to answer the question, but first are you conceding that there is no such study?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mr. G
I would be happy to answer the question, but first are you conceding that there is no such study?

Study on what? The sex habits of TOM CRUISE and BOBIN' THOMAS?

[thome]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Can you show me a study on the effectiveness and validity of E-Meter readings?

Which end goes in the scientologists ass

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by thome
Which end goes in the scientologists ass

Ha ha! THOME's funny tonight!

One end goes in the Scientologist's ass; the end other goes into the bank account of the modern "Church" of Scientology.

As for the notion of chemical imbalances in the brain being a myth, I could really give a shit. I don't like the drug companies, they surely invent or exaggerate mental illnesses to increase sales, or and have many questionable practices in regards to advertising. But their drugs seem to genuinely help a lot of people, some I have in fact known, while a minority are not helped, or develop other symptoms from the cure that are worse than the disease.

In fact, many drugs offered by drug companies save millions if not billions of dollars every year by preventing surgeries that would otherwise have been necessary with out these prescriptions. Just what has Scientology offered to this country? They sue the IRS, have FBI Agents followed, intimidate journalists and writers with sleaze-bag private-eyes, but how much do they donate to charities? What benevolent actions do they carry out without expecting something in return from those they helped? The Church of Scientology is almost like a dictatorship that raises orphans, to be secret police killers. I can surmise nothing that is positive about Scientology. This isn't an 'either-or' for me, what's been instilled into you my friend MR. G is the notion of "Binary Oppositions," that is: psychiatry is "a hoax," therefore, Scientology is the only "true" alternative or pathway to truth, enlightenment, well-being, and self-realization. One is false, therefore the other must be true. It's merely a pseudo-logical equation of binary dichotomies. In fact this line of thinking is widely discredited by great thinkers such as DERRIDA.

I happen to think that psychiatry is about 70% bullshit, (read a couple of books by FREUD such as On Civilization And It's Discontents (which is the guy HUBBARD ripped off anyways) or by CARL JUNG, and I think one may find the path to some self-realizations and perhaps a little piece of mind. Books are cheap, you don't have to send a portion of your yearly income to these guys, and you'll be far less deluded by pseudo-scientific hogwash.

That being said, SCIENTOLOGY has been shown to 100% bullshit. A manipulative cult that is based on fear, control, intimidation, and greed. If that is your spiritual truth, good luck my friend.

BTW, you never responded to me calling you out on the TIME magazine "retraction" lie you told. That seems to be a SCIENTOLOGY modus operandi: denial and lies. So, how is that E-Meter reading tonight?

[ashstralia]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^



what he said!!!!

magnificent post, nick.

[Nickdfresh]

Thanks ASH, this "debate" has grown irritating.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Thanks ASH, this "debate" has grown irritating.

This 'ell cheer you up.

Tom Cruise explains Scientology!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by rustoffa
This 'ell cheer you up.

Tom Cruise explains Scientology!

AHahahaha! Fucking priceless! Five more stars to you.


<a href="http://www.liquidgeneration.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.liquidgeneration.com/games/sKookyLikeCruise.jpg" border="0"></a>

[joe son of DLR]

watching that fucking great movie on scientology confirms my belief that tom cruise is a complete weirdo and should not be allowed near dakota fanning because he is probably converting her as we speak

i think that if Katie holmes is weird enough to be in love with a weirdo like tom they deserve each other

and if what you say nick about rob thomas maybe he can sing shit songs at their freak fest wedding

[Hardrock69]

What I find bizarre is that while we discuss numerous aspects of this warped buncha psychiatric failures who droolingly give away their life's savings to the Cos (Church Of Stealing), Mr. G. is unable to make a single post on a subject other than "Chemical Imbalance" in humans.

Methinks he is the bastard stepchild of the General in the movie "Dr. Strangelove" who has this warped fixation on "our precious bodily fluids".

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by rustoffa
This 'ell cheer you up.

Tom Cruise explains Scientology!

Classic!!

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by rustoffa
This 'ell cheer you up.

Tom Cruise explains Scientology!

LMFAO!!!

One thing they did not mention though....there are more OT levels than just 7. They deal with advanced butt-fucking, focusing on havingness of the Giant GodCock of Xenu, and unique methods to wring even MORE KASH out of their poor, gullible victims.

If you wish to advance to the very highest OT levels in CoS, you have to be telepathically transported to the planet Fornax, where you will be forced to work for 200,000 years in the Cosmic Slop House as the Imperial Butt-Boy for all of the visiting creatures from several different galaxies in 29 dimensions.

Once you have had your bunghole stretched by the dreaded Atomic Meat Monster of Gayus 12, then you will be judged as having fulfilled your duties as a cosmic slut-whore of the highest order....and you will be allowed to come back to Earth to work as a mentally Challenged Janitor at OT Level IX at the Slave Facility in Clearwater, Florida.

Here is a picture of these poor OT IX poster children for lobotomy being forced to clean a pool at the Clearwater facility, or else risk being fucked to death by one of the above mentioned Atomic Dick Monsters...

[Hardrock69]

Oh and here is an investigative report by the Clearwater Police Department on the CoS.

And yes, the CoS did their damndest to make the report disappear.


Haha, stoopid fuckers, it will never go away....

http://www.lermanet.com/emmons/emmonsindex.htm

*note* it is a VERY lengthy read, though only 2 pages long.

Here is an interesting example of the ethical standards to which the CoS holds itself and it's membership:

"This investigator is currently in contact with attorneys for potential
witnesses who can provide information concerning covert operations
conducted by the Scientology at the bidding of the Scientology management
including its founder, L. Ron Hubbard. Other potential witnesses can
verify financial transactions to L. Ron Hubbard, some of which took place
in Clearwater, Florida.

Potential witnesses can provide not only verbal evidence but in some cases
documentation and tape recordings in which the management of Scientology
openly discuss fraudulent transfers of monies and discuss these operations
in these terms."

Seems the CoS was attempting to rival the Catholic Church in it's corruption, unethical behaviour, and criminal activities.

[Hardrock69]

And here are the transcripts from the 1982 Clearwater hearings, where L. Ron Hoover's own son reveals that his dad wanted him to steal a Hydrogen Bomb.

http://www.lermanet2.com/82cwcommission/

[PFTSOF]

[PFTSOF]

[Mr. G]

As I have said before, I have answered many questions but have not once pushed Scientology on anyone. Not once. I don't care what you think of it, at all. No really. This thread was started with the idea that Tom Cruise doesn't know Psychiatry. So that means that some of the people here do. Fair enough? So I posed the question that they should post just ONE scientific study on the theory on chemical imbalances. Of course everyone ran from that challange because they know it doesn't exist. I even posted neurologists and Psychiatrists who said that it is a scam. This is them saying it, not me. If you want to be pro Psychiatry be my guest but know that it is based on your opinion not science.

[rustoffa]

LMMFAO!


The Chemical Imbalance in Mental Health Problems
Joseph M. Carver, Ph.D. of www.drjoecarver.com by Joseph M. Carver, Ph.D.



Introduction

Over the years, advances in neurology and research have simplified the way psychologists, psychiatrists, and others diagnosis and treat mental health problems. In over one hundred years of mental health treatment, the symptoms and behaviors associated with certain mental health conditions have remained the same. Psychotic disorders, where the individual often can’t distinguish between reality and their fantasies, still have auditory hallucinations. Depressed individuals still can’t sleep and remain preoccupied with the past. Hyperactive children (Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder or ADHD) still exhibit uncontrollable restlessness.

When patients first began reclining on the couches of psychoanalytic psychiatrists, the depressed folks talked about their past. This led the founders of psychology and psychiatry to believe that issues that began in childhood caused many mental health problems. But questions were still not answered. Why would a bad relationship with your mother create the appetite loss found in depression, especially when eating problems only started several months prior to the session? By what strange mechanism would a childhood issue create an auditory hallucination, often years after the reported traumatic event? Many people had difficult childhoods, but they didn’t hallucinate and have a great appetite. It became clear that many mental health problems also had a physical component that involved changes in concentration, sleep, appetite, speech pattern, energy level, perceptions (hallucinations), and motivation. Studies began to determine the connection, if indeed one was present, between the condition of the patient and the physical signs/symptoms that were also present.

The picture became easier to understand when chemicals in the brain called “neurotransmitters” were discovered. The brain consists of billions of neurons or cells that must communicate with each other. The communication between neurons maintains all body functions, informs us when a fly lands on our hand, or when we have pain. The communication between neurons is controlled by the brain’s type and level of neurotransmitters. Neurotransmitters are chemical substances that control and create signals in the brain both between and within neurons. Without neurotransmitters, there would be no communication between neurons. The heart wouldn’t get a signal to beat, arms and legs wouldn’t know to move, etc.

As we discovered more about neurotransmitters, we began to identify which neurotransmitters controlled certain bodily functions or which were related to certain emotional/psychiatric difficulties. Serotonin, a neurotransmitter, was found to be related to body temperature and the onset of sleep. Research also identified Serotonin as related to depression and later to a variety of mental health conditions such as anorexia and obsessive-compulsive disorder.

As research in neurotransmitters continued, studies between neurotransmitters and mental conditions revealed a strong connection between amounts of certain neurotransmitters in the brain and the presence of specific psychiatric conditions. Using an everyday example, our automobile operates by using a variety of fluids such as engine oil, transmission fluid, brake fluid, and coolant (anti-freeze). Every automobile has a way to measure the levels or amounts of each of these needed liquids such as the dipstick for oil and transmission fluid and marked indicators for anti-freeze and brake-fluid levels. Using our dipstick to measure engine oil, for an example, we can find our engine to be found one, two, or even three quarts low. After a recent oil change, the dipstick may also tell us that we have excessive oil in the engine. To work properly, all fluid levels must be in the “normal range” as indicated by the dipstick. When we receive a blood test, values of certain blood components are given with the “normal range” also provided, indicating if a blood chemical is below or above the average range.

Neurological research has identified over fifty (50) neurotransmitters in the brain. Research also tells us that several neurotransmitters are related to mental health problems – Dopamine, Serotonin, Norepinephrine, and GABA (Gamma Aminobutyric Acid). Too much or too little of these neurotransmitters are now felt to produce psychiatric conditions such as schizophrenia, depression, bi-polar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and ADHD.

Unfortunately, the body doesn’t have a built-in dipstick for neurotransmitters, at least one that’s inexpensive enough for community mental health practice. There are advanced imaging techniques such as Positron Emission Tomography (PET Scans) that are being utilized in research and in the development of medications that directly influence changes in specific neurotransmitters. Lacking a PET Scanner, most professionals evaluate neurotransmitter levels by looking for indicators in thought, behavior, mood, perception, and/or speech that are considered related to levels of certain neurotransmitters.

This is perhaps best illustrated in individuals with depressed mood. The mental health professional is often required to separate those who would benefit from counseling and those who may require counseling and an antidepressant medication. The key is looking for those symptoms that are known to be related to chemical changes in the brain. For example, situational depression often produces sad expressions, worry, pessimistic attitude and other features but does not create prolonged changes in the physical symptoms such as changes in sexual interest, appetite, or sleep. The continued presence of physical symptoms tells us that the brain’s neurotransmitter levels have changed.

The technical aspects of neurotransmitter levels, the psychiatric symptoms they produce, and how medications have been developed to raise or lower the brain levels of these neurotransmitters can be very complicated. For this reason, the same procedure of explaining other medical conditions where medication brings symptoms back to the “normal range” is often used. Medical patients with high blood pressure, high blood sugar, or high cholesterol are informed that their body chemistry is too high, or in some cases, too low and must be corrected with medication.

For many years, mental health professionals have used the term “chemical imbalance” to explain the need for medications that are used to treat mental health conditions. This simple and commonly used explanation recognizes that the condition is a medical problem and that it can be treated with medication. The “chemical imbalance” explanation also reflects the overall theme of treatment – identifying what neurotransmitters are involved in the clinical symptom picture and with medication, attempting to return that neurotransmitter level back to the “normal range”.

Your Neurotransmitter Levels and Emotional Health

Your emotional health is a combination of attitudes, personality, support systems, and your brain’s neurotransmitter levels. Positive attitudes and a healthy personality help us through life’s difficulties and a good support system of family and friends is also valuable during times of trouble. Despite having these resources, there are times when coping with our experiences and life events changes our neurotransmitter status. Like an overheated automobile, we begin to have difficulty operating properly.

We are all at-risk for changes in our brain’s chemistry. Mostly commonly, we will experience depression, anxiety, or stress reactions. As our neurotransmitters change, they bring with them additional symptoms, behaviors, and sensations that add to our on-going difficulties. Recognizing these changes is an important part of treatment and returning your life to normal and reducing our stress.

This discussion is offered to explain how the neurotransmitter system in the brain can create psychiatric conditions and mental health problems. It is hoped the discussion will provide information that will be of value to those who suspect their neurotransmitter system is creating problems.

[rustoffa]

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