Yeah well the Pens werent unbeaten in regulation.....Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
That's cause they haven't played the Pens yet....
I wonder if there are any Pens/Leafs games coming up?
I havent heard much about Crosby so far....:confused:
Yeah well the Pens werent unbeaten in regulation.....Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
That's cause they haven't played the Pens yet....
I wonder if there are any Pens/Leafs games coming up?
I havent heard much about Crosby so far....:confused:
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Bruins win in OT...
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Yeah, the Leafs played well.
Raycroft was solid, Peca, Sundin as well were good and Tucker playing for his next contract.
Sabres weren't in the game it seemed for whatever reason.
Except for the fight, a pretty dull game.
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I guess the leafs have to look at ending the Sabres unbeaten streak (in regulationOriginally posted by Full Bug
Chalk one for the Bug!
) as a feat, considering they won't be seeing a Cup Final for another 50 years or so:p
Well, Malkin missed the first 4 games, so who knows what their record would be with him in there the entire season.... They're 5-1 with him...Originally posted by Full Bug
Yeah well the Pens werent unbeaten in regulation.....
I wonder if there are any Pens/Leafs games coming up?
I havent heard much about Crosby so far....:confused:
The first Pens/Leafs game is Dec. 29th in Pittsburgh, and I'll be there 5 rows back from Center Ice.....
Yeah, Crosby is doing shitty, 18 points in 10 games.....
But you're right, Malkin is definitely taking the headlines from Crosby, and I'm sure he doesn't mind at all....
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Ahh, its still early, this stuff will mean more come feb or mar....Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
Well, Malkin missed the first 4 games, so who knows what their record would be with him in there the entire season.... They're 5-1 with him...
The first Pens/Leafs game is Dec. 29th in Pittsburgh, and I'll be there 5 rows back from Center Ice.....
Yeah, Crosby is doing shitty, 18 points in 10 games.....
But you're right, Malkin is definitely taking the headlines from Crosby, and I'm sure he doesn't mind at all....
Nice turn around, I wasnt sayng they were, just that you thought I was an idiot FOR TONITE saying they were going to beat them and they did, suck on my prediction pipe you laughed at Flamma.....Originally posted by DavidFlamma
I guess the leafs have to look at ending the Sabres unbeaten streak (in regulation
Dull game? What`were you watching? Oh yeah, the Sabers werent winning, whatever.......
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Have a good time, if they come to TO and you can go to the game, maybe I can meet you....Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
The first Pens/Leafs game is Dec. 29th in Pittsburgh, and I'll be there 5 rows back from Center Ice.....
Yeah, I've been talking to my son about that one of these days... TO is not very far away at all from where I grew up, just head up I-90 to Buffalo, and up the QEW...
I'm sure tickets will be very tough to come by, that would require some serious planning....
We'll see...
Well, just let me know in advance when you might do it so I can get tickets.....
Getting a Leaf ticket means I wont eat for a week, but oh well....
Canes/Pens tonight, first rematch of Cole/Orpik since Cole's injury...
Both teams are downplaying it...
Yeah, right...
By the way, if any of you bastards will be watching, Pojo, my son and I will be 5 rows from the ice, next to the Hurricanes' penalty box... My son will be wearing a black Crosby jersey...
And Va and I will be shirtless...
I'll have Pen and Va will have Guins...
although either way is fine with me...
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Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
Canes/Pens tonight, first rematch of Cole/Orpik since Cole's injury...
Both teams are downplaying it...
Yeah, right...
Ever since the Bertuzzi incident, you can bet that the league has told the teams that any incidents will be met with most harshly.
That hit wasn't bad at all. Ugly, but not intentional.
Apparently, Cole refuses to take any of Orpik's calls.
According to Recchi, Orpik asked him for the number after Recchi was traded. Recchi told him that Cole didn't want to talk (it was only a week or two after it happened), and Recchi told him not to call because it was to close to the injury...
I heard that Orpik has tried to call a few weeks ago and there was no response.
Well, for as little contact that they ended up having, turned out all that media hubbub was for nothing....
Road trip report is up on the blog, by the way.....
Just too funny watching the highlights of the Carolina and Buffalo game.
Without a doubt, the two worst logos in ALL of pro sports.
C'mon people!Originally posted by DavidFlamma
Just too funny watching the highlights of the Carolina and Buffalo game.
Without a doubt, the two worst logos in ALL of pro sports.
Is anyone awake out there?
I'm trying to start some shit here...
One of the Canuck's logos is a hockey rink and a stick and puck:p
Man, sucks to be a Leaf fan these days, 7 loses in a row, I'm gonna start rooting for The Flames again...
Well welcome to Bettman's NHL.
I have to say, the league is doing what it can, but years of misguided leadership can't be undone by a debilitating cap.
I have so much to bitch about I don't know where to start.
First, Bettman's "plan" to become a major sport in the US was done exactly ass-backwards. Instead of making the good markets stronger and creating demand from the sport's strength, what does He do? Expand too fast into markets that have no business with franchises.
So many weak sisters are propped up by today's cap so even the most incompetent of GM's can't screw it up.
The problem with the league is that you have teams like Pittsburgh andAnaheim, with ownership problems that last for 5 years or so. Well, fast forward and these teams amass one after another top draft picks.
Now these teams' futures are obviously looking bright.
What about the teams that did everything right? Well in the new NHL, they are hooped. Because of the cap - to ensure that the most incompetent GMs can't screw their teams, and so non-hockey markets can compete because THEY AREN'T DRAWING ANY FANS- the successful teams have to let their players go.
What is the point of this? Fans support their team, the club manages it's business well, budgets wisely, and still can't have any success in this salary cap era. The only way is to suck for 3 or more years and draft at lest 6 young (read cheap) players to piece together a team.
This is no way to run a professional sports league. Basketball and baseball have it right (although baseball goes too far) with a luxury tax.
I would rather see 6 teams fold than continue to see such crappy hockey. The matchups just aren't compelling. The rules changes aren't all that bad. It's just it all seems so empty now, with the cap being King.
Playing to the league's weakest link is no way to be successful. We have to reward success and not punish it. As Coase said " Put the incentive where it does the most good"
Yeah, you're absolutely right....
It was sheer bliss watching the Penguins finish last in the NHL four straight years....
The Pens getting rid of Lang, Kovalev, Straka and Jagr had nothing to do with ownership and more to do with the old CBA, where the rich teams just got richer (sounds a lot like baseball)....
And please, do me a favor and stop comparing the entire NHL to Canadian hockey fanaticism. Even a big hockey fan like me knows that the NHL is NOT nearly big enough to warrant regular sellout crowds in the U.S... But look at it this way, if it wasn't for the U.S., there would be no NHL, get used to it....
And yeah, Canadian hockey teams NEVER get in ownership trouble, give me a fucking break.... Disregard all of that Ottawa talk a few years back.... That's why Winnipeg and Quebec lost their teams, 'cause there's never any ownership problems in Canada....
Why should the NHL be any different from the NFL or NBA ?? Teams that finish the year with the worst records get the highest draft picks, I don't see you bitching about those leagues.
I'll grant you, the Crosby lottery was incredible luck, and with more nights like last night's 6 points, who knows how that's going to turn out. I don't even remember who Anaheim took 2nd to be honest.
I just love now that Pittsburgh is having a little bit of success that everyone's on their dicks...
Who is making this a US vs Canada thing?
My only point that the league would have been in an entirely different place now, if there wasn't a push into these insane markets just for the purpose of securing a national TV contract.
Americans, if anything, love a winner. The real way to secure that national contract is to build from strength and make the product better...not worse by watering it down and expanding into non-hockey markets.
I couldn't be happier for Pittsburgh, but it is kind of fucked that the formula in the new NHL is to suck for a time.
Seriously, how can you have success and resign your players?
Don't worry, You will see
Good luck fielding a team, even if you have 3 of the best five players in the league.
My point is that there should be a mechanism to resign YOUR OWN PLAYERS to help develop a community and thus encourage a committment from the fans.
You need to reward good management and success on the ice.
The current system punishes success. How insane is that??? Again...you will see.
I don't see the need to praise the US for success in hockey or lack thereof. i was only pointing out Bettman's mismanagement of the league.
Winnipeg and Quebec lost their teams because of the lack of will on the part of owners to keep their house in order. A 60 cent dollar didn't help much either.
You can't deny that Anaheim, for example had completely disinterested ownership in Disney in the end. Their current success is directly related to their draft position from sucking so bad for so many years.
THAT is what is NOT GOOD for the sport. Again, punishing success will doom the sport in both countries.
It is different. The NBA encourages fan loyalty by allowing the team who drafted you to offer the most money. Now basketball players are generally selfish SOB's, but the cash does keep them on one team for longer.Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
Why should the NHL be any different from the NFL or NBA ?? Teams that finish the year with the worst records get the highest draft picks, I don't see you bitching about those leagues.
The cap in the NHL is based on it's weakest link...those markets that should never have hockey...or at least until they develop a good foundation. so the situation is as I said...we accomodate the weakest link and the game itself suffers, thus condemning it to mediocrity.
Here's to losing
You have a point with reference to the NBA, but the NFL does the exact same thing, the winners draft last, the losers draft first....
I'm with ya on the expansion, they went overboard, but not too much to do about it now, no way they'll eliminate any franchises....
I'm not so sure the Pens won't be able to resign the youngin's. The salary cap will go up every year, they WILL get a new arena, and they've now got an owner with money to burn....
Oh, they'll resign their stars, but who will play with them?Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
I'm not so sure the Pens won't be able to resign the youngin's. The salary cap will go up every year, they WILL get a new arena, and they've now got an owner with money to burn....
It is ugly. Wait and see.
I guess that's where the good management you mention comes into play....
What a series of events in Pittsburgh!!
Now that the state has approved the slots license to the only one that made no sense, Mario knows that there are forces at work here that he can't control.
I hear that The Steelers and Pirates made sure that this slots deal didn't happen.
Too bad, but I think they are gone. When Mario says the team is off the market, you know he is pissed.
I think that Seattle is the best hockey market that could support a team.
TV revenue could be generated from Portland and there is cash there.
Only problem there is the Key arena, which is configured for only 12 k for hockey
Well, with all due respect Flamma, you're sounding like most hockey fans outside of Pittsburgh, they don't know all of the particulars of the Pens' situation, and instead they're selectively picking out bits and pieces of these statements....
Just realize that Mario is using the media now (and rightly so) to get the best deal out of Plan B that he can get....
Most of my spouting off has been on my blog anyways...
They're not going anywhere...
Someone steps up ... I just can't see them moving either, but who knows ... seems like the league will be right there helping them stay as well.
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They should stay, that is for sure. For a team with the history they have, to leave would be a crime.
Someone please explain how the winning slots bid got the nod?
Tell me the Pirates and Steelers didn't have everything to do with it.
It sure stinks.
I'm not sure either, but I have never understood why they have any financial problems with that state and the support they have for their teams.
Well, officially, that won't be known for a couple of months when their report comes out...Originally posted by DavidFlamma
Someone please explain how the winning slots bid got the nod?
Tell me the Pirates and Steelers didn't have everything to do with it.
It sure stinks.
But here's my opinions...
1. PITG had the least amount of controversy, meaning IOC had the ownership SNAFU with the Pens, and FC (Harrah's) had the takeover talks going on, along with already really shitty parking around Station Square, where their casino would be held.
2. PITG had the only minority owner. No, I'm not throwing out the race card, but it was already known that the board was looking for more minority representation in the area.
The Pirates and Steelers absolutely HATE that PITG won. They are putting their casino along the North Shore, BETWEEN PNC Park and Heinz Field. So talk about parking problems, how about 65,000 Steeler fans along with a couple more thousand in the casino ??
That's about it....
KC, Portland, and Houston the rumored early front runners for the team.
KC has supposively offered to build an arena for them for free.
Portland or Seattle are the best hockey towns.
1916-17 - Seattle Metropolitians Stanley Cup Champions
I'm just going to make a couple of points here...
and I've spent 2 days looking at every damn thing that I could on the topic...
and I'm back full circle...
I firmly believe that Pittsburgh will lose the Penguins. Va will refute it...and I'm glad he is...but the bottom line is that everything GOOD that's happened has blown up in their face. There are ways they can stay...but I'm just not sure how viable they are.
Ownership bullshit, the slots...this proposed Plan B...
I saw in your Blog Va that you said every team pays for the arena they are in. That's just not true, in particular, teams that move.
it's called the Sweetheart deal, made popular by Art Modell, who had everyone in Baltimore sucking his old, wrinkled crank (he still ended up losing money, when he was given EVERYTHING free of charge).
My brother and sister in laws live in Kansas City, and deal in the marketing game, and have been laughing their asses of every time I tell them they are full of shit about the Pens moving. It looks more and more real every time.
YO AL, that arena is being built ALREADY...and yes, KC won't ask a new tenant to pay for it in any way. It's the centerpiece for a total, downtown renovation. Now will they have to pay a lease? Of course. But it's called THE SPRINT CENTER. Sprint is already paying their 2.5 million a year to apply the name.
And this damn center is state of the fucking art. It's sickening good really...
and hockey has always been their first goal...
and gee...when will it be ready?
How about October of 2007. Pittsburgh could move and start the year in a NEW ARENA NEXT FUCKING YEAR...IN THE BEST ARENA...OR AT LEAST NEWEST...in the fucking league.
Now I'm not sure that KC will make a push (they will)...or what will happen really...
but here's what the Pens have going for them...
1. Bettman either doesn't want them to leave Pittsburgh, or...make it looks like he doesn't...even though he knows they will.
2. There still is a Plan B...but...with no arena now EVEN PLANNED...it could be 4 or 5 years before we see a finished product...hell...a YEAR before plans are even completed...bids accepted...yada...yada...yada...but there is still the potential for a plan B. Mario didn't seem to like the idea of Tax Payers being used at all.
I do see your points Va...about Mario using the media to sweeten the deal from Pittsburgh...
I also see a guy...who like Modell...who has wanted a new stadium (needed one) for more than 5 years (longer)...was loved in the town for the most part (I never liked Modell, but he wasn't hated in Cleveland by a long stretch until he left)...and was repeatedly rebuffed for a new stadium.
what happened there?
similar situations.
Could they still say?
possible...but I don't think if you say, or even think 50-50 right now...you'd be right...
Here's from the Trib last year...
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_404151.html
And the Kansas City Star...
connections anyone?
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/16291842.htm
What about Bettman's role in all of this?
What of these last minute demands for the Blackberry dude to keep the Pens in Pittsburgh for a minimum of seven years???
Uhhhh, no thanks.
What kind of idiot would agree to that kind of 11th hour condition?
Here he was, ready to pay $175 million - clearly WAAAAY ABOVE market value for the club.
The only way Bettman steps in the way he did is if he KNEW who was going to win.
Otherwise, his involvement makes no sense...potentially derailing and causing unneccesary distraction with the final decision looming.
Not a chance he intervenes the way he does without knowing the inside scoop.
The thing is, the Pens have No F-ing chance of signing Crosby Malkin AND Staal when their contracts come due.
If you say they could then you are dreaming. Signing two of them completely screws the rest of your team. Three max deals? And yes, Staal will be that good.
Knowing this, with absolutely no hope of any serious salary cap reform or luxury tax scenario on the horizon, Balsillie was still going to pony up this kind of money, and by doing so propping up the value of each and every NHL franchise.
Why did Bettman step in? I think he owed it to Mario to let him grab his money and run. It was the perfect opportunity for Mario to exit and save face. What more can you ask one man to do?
Rumor is that Balsillie wanted to move the team to Kitchener, Ontario. Not exactly the best location for a new NHL franchise. Dude is rich enough to do so in any market. Maybe Bettman got wind of this?
His involvement has to piss Mario off more than anything.
Last edited by Romeo Delight; 12-23-2006 at 12:57 AM.
Oh yeah, Bettman is the worst commisioner of any pro sports league, in the history of all mankind.
I'm waiting for the puck to be replaced by a ball...maybe a wet tennis ball, and the ice removed, to cater to those southern markets with higher costs for ice maintenance
Anyone watching the World Junior Tournament? Was sweet to see the Canada team kick some USA butt yesterday....
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