Are the Madrid train bombings a "test case" for a BCE "October Surprise"??

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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58754

    Are the Madrid train bombings a "test case" for a BCE "October Surprise"??

    Mar 13, 12:45 PM EST

    Spain Mourns Bomb Victims on Election Eve

    By CIARAN GILES
    Associated Press Writer




    MADRID, Spain (AP) -- Police hunted Saturday for three men seen clad in ski masks carrying backpacks toward trains that were bombed in Spain's worst terrorist attack, while grieving relatives began burying some of the 200 dead.

    Uncertainty about who carried out the bombings left Spaniards perplexed ahead of parliamentary elections Sunday. So far, autopsies of the dead show no evidence of suicide bombings, Spain's interior minister said, suggesting that Islamic terrorists who use such tactics might not have been involved.

    Angel Acebes told a news conference that the Basque separatist group ETA was still the No. 1 suspect in Thursday's bombings, but the government has not ruled out al-Qaida, which had threatened to target U.S. allies from the Iraq war, including Spain.

    "We are working intensely along both lines," Acebes said. "The priority has to be the terrorist group that is most prominent in Spain."

    The Spanish radio station Cadena Ser, which is close to the opposition Socialist Party, quoted sources at the national intelligence agency CNI as saying agents were "99 percent sure" that Islamic militants, not Basque separatists, were behind the attacks.


    The agents believe a 10-15 member cell placed the bombs on the trains and may have fled the country, Cadena Ser said, quoting unnamed sources at the CNI. But CNI director Jorge Dezcallar denied the report, telling the news agency Efe that agents do not favor one line of investigation over another.

    The toll from Thursday's attacks rose to 200 on Saturday when a wounded man died in a hospital, Europa Press said, citing Spain's Health Ministry. Since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, only the Bali nightclub bombings that killed 202 people in 2002 were deadlier.

    As a cold drizzle fell on Madrid, what would normally be a day of leisure and reflection before the parliamentary elections instead brought more anguish and mourning. Families started burying and cremating their dead.

    Madrid's biggest funeral home, Tanatorio Sur, was so overcrowded that some coffins were placed in a room normally used for staff meetings. Outside, hearses carried coffins in and out all morning.

    Investigators were focusing on a stolen white van found in the town of Alcala de Henares outside Madrid hours after the blasts. Police found detonators and an Arabic-language cassette tape with Quranic verses inside. Alcala de Henares is the town where three of the four bombed trains originated.

    A doorman told police he saw three young men carrying knapsacks toward the station in Alcala de Henares, a senior police official said Saturday on condition of anonymity. Officials have said the bombs used in the train attacks were concealed in knapsacks.

    The doorman saw the men get out of the van and "walk toward the train carrying backpacks and he was struck by the fact that they were wearing ski masks when the weather was not suited for that kind of clothing," the official said.

    "It is one of the main focuses of the investigation," the official said. "It is very important."

    A London-based Arabic newspaper also received a claim of responsibility in al-Qaida's name that called the attack "part of settling old accounts with Spain, the crusader, and America's ally in its war against Islam."

    The attack's lethal coordination and timing - 10 explosions within 15 minutes - suggested al-Qaida. But the compressed dynamite used in the backpack bombs is an explosive favored by ETA.

    ETA issued an apparently unprecedented denial Friday, saying it had nothing to do with the bombings. It has claimed responsibility for more than 800 deaths since 1968 in its fight for an independent state in the northern Basque region.

    Debate on who is behind the attacks could sway voters in Sunday's election.

    If ETA is deemed responsible, that could boost support for Mariano Rajoy, Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's hand-picked candidate to succeed him as prime minister. Both have supported a crackdown on ETA, ruling out talks and backing a ban on ETA's political wing, Batasuna.

    However, if Thursday's bombings are seen by voters as the work of al-Qaida, that could draw their attention to Aznar's vastly unpopular decision to endorse the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and deploy Spanish troops there.

    Opinion polls have put Rajoy 3-5 percentage points ahead of Socialist candidate Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero. No surveys have been released since the attacks.

    Aznar, in power since 1996, is honoring a pledge not to seek a third term, saying he wants renewal in government and his party.

    In a show of national unity, massive crowds gathered in Barcelona, Seville, Valencia and even in Spain's Canary Islands off western Africa on Friday night to protest the attack. State TV said nationwide, more than 11 million marched - one-quarter of Spain's 42 million people.

    In Madrid, black bows of mourning dotted the city, on shop windows, on flags draped from balconies, and on lapels.

    Spanish radio station Cadena Ser broadcast a 12-second recording of an unidentified woman who had called a colleague's voice mail after an initial blast on a train at the Atocha station.

    The woman, who survived, was in the process of fleeing as she frantically says: "I'm in Atocha. There's a bomb on the train! We had to -" and then two more blasts are heard.

    Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved.
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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    #2
    BCE test case? It's sick how a conspiracy theorist's mind works.
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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    • Dave's PA Rental
      Full Member Status

      • Jan 2004
      • 3740

      #3
      Re: Are the Madrid train bombings a "test case" for a BCE "October Surprise"??



      No.
      Maybe this is what a heroine addict feels like after getting a long awaited fix, shooting up in the corner of some abandoned building and just not giving a fuck about what the rest of the world thinks...TATTOO"

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      • steve
        Sniper
        • Feb 2004
        • 841

        #4
        I beleive FORD meant a test case for Al Queda...as in a test case for bombing us right before elections.

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58754

          #5
          Originally posted by BigBadBrian
          BCE test case? It's sick how a conspiracy theorist's mind works.
          It's far sicker how minds work who don't draw the line at mass murder to keep a brainwashed population in fear and belieiving their bullshit. When something does happen in October, remember that.
          Eat Us And Smile

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          • BigBadBrian
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jan 2004
            • 10620

            #6
            Originally posted by steve
            I beleive FORD meant a test case for Al Queda...as in a test case for bombing us right before elections.
            NO. That's not what he meant. Stick around these boards for awhile and you'll know damned well he doesn't mean al-Qaeda.
            “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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            • BigBadBrian
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jan 2004
              • 10620

              #7
              Originally posted by FORD
              It's far sicker how minds work who don't draw the line at mass murder to keep a brainwashed population in fear and belieiving their bullshit. When something does happen in October, remember that.
              See what I mean, steve? He thinks 9/11 was a Bush masterminded plot, as he does this "October Surprise" he's ranting about.

              BCE = Bush Criminal Empire, in his twisted language.
              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 58754

                #8
                PNAC acknowledges in their own writings that they would need "another Pearl Harbor" in order to justify the implementation of their global fascist agenda. The founding members of PNAC are now the cabinet of George Bush Jr. And the new "PERLE Harbor" happenned right on schedule, with even the likely suspect being an employee of the BCE.

                Only a complete idiot or a brainwashed sheep could honestly say there's no connection at all.
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                • lucky wilbury

                  #9
                  the bombings were more likely the liberals way of changing the vote. the bombings happend they all ran out and said it was because of their support for the iraq war so they told the people vote for us and it'll never happed again because we don't support fighting terrorist.

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                  • Pink Spider
                    Sniper
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 867

                    #10
                    Liberals already had support. At one time 90% of Spain was against involvement in the war against Iraq. The government was on the way out before the bombings.

                    Nice try.
                    Last edited by Pink Spider; 03-15-2004, 01:27 AM.

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                    • lucky wilbury

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Pink Spider
                      Liberals already had support. Most of Spain was against involvement in the war against Iraq. The government was on the way out before the bombings.

                      Nice try.
                      the gov was winning in the polls before the attack so try again



                      Socialists Oust Spain's Ruling Party


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                      Mar 14, 9:33 PM (ET)

                      By ED McCULLOUGH

                      MADRID, Spain (AP) - Spain's Socialists scored a dramatic upset in elections Sunday, unseating conservatives stung by charges they provoked the Madrid terror bombings by supporting the U.S.-led war in Iraq and making Spain a target for al-Qaida.

                      It was the first time a government that backed the Iraq war has been voted out of office. Incoming prime minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has pledged to bring home the 1,300 troops Spain has stationed in Iraq when their tour of duty ends in July.

                      The defeat of Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's Popular Party and his hand-picked successor capped four tumultuous days starting with the attacks that killed 200 people and wounded 1,500. The attacks were followed by massive street rallies against the bombings and smaller ones against the government.

                      The arrest of five suspects, including three Moroccans, and a reported al-Qaida claim of responsibility, raised the disturbing prospect that terrorists aligned with Osama bin Laden had changed the course of a national election. The Spain government has insisted its prime suspect in Thursday's rail bombings was the armed Basque separatist group ETA.

                      Before the attacks, polls had given the governing party a lead of 3-5 percentage points.

                      With 99 percent of the votes counted, Zapatero's Spanish Socialist Workers Party soared from 125 seats to 164 in the outgoing 350-seat legislature. The ruling Popular Party fell from 183 to 148.

                      The Popular Party cannot try to form a governing coalition because it has no virtually no allies in the legislature, where it had enjoyed a majority and was often accused of riding roughshod over opponents.

                      Zapatero began his victory speech with a minute of silence for those killed in the terror attacks.

                      "At this moment I think of the lives that were broken by terror on Thursday," he said. "My most immediate priority will be to fight terrorism."

                      The numbers will leave Zapatero short of a majority - or 176 seats - and he will have to seek help to form a government.

                      The Socialists ruled Spain from 1982-1996 but ran afoul of corruption scandals and were voted out of power.

                      Savoring victory again outside the Socialist party headquarters, several hundred supporters cheered the results. But they, too, remembered the 200 people killed in Thursday's railway blasts. "Not all of us are here. Two hundred are missing," the crowd shouted.

                      "I think the party won because of people's frustration people about the Popular Party getting us into the war in Iraq," said one of them, housewife Loli Carrasco Gomez, 36.

                      Of the troops in Iraq, she said: "I hope they all come home and never go back."

                      The government had insisted that its prime suspect in the bombings was ETA, even as evidence mounted of an Islamic link. The government was accused of withholding information on the investigation to save the election.

                      Throughout Sunday, voters said they lost faith in the ruling party, in power since 1996.

                      "I wasn't planning to vote, but I am here today because the Popular Party is responsible for murders here and in Iraq," said Ernesto Sanchez-Gey, 48, who voted in Barcelona.

                      Some voters, however, expressed support for the ruling party precisely because it endorsed the Iraq war, and for its crackdown on ETA.

                      Mari Carmen Pinadero Martinez, 58, a housewife, said she "voted to help the government end terrorism" as she cast her ballot near the downtown Atocha railway station where trains were bombed.

                      In El Pozo northeast of Madrid, site of one of the four blasts, a ruined train car was in clear view of the polling station as were flowers for the victims, signs stating "Paz" (Peace) and dozens of lit candles.

                      Some of the voters, teary-eyed, held onto relatives and friends for support.

                      On Sunday, a Basque-language daily published a statement by ETA in which the group for a second time denied involvement in the attacks.

                      A videotape purportedly from al-Qaida claimed Thursday that the Islamic terror network was behind Thursday's attacks, and Spanish authorities have arrested three Moroccans and two Indian suspects.

                      Jamal Zougam, one of the Moroccans, was a follower of suspected al-Qaida leader Imad Yarkas, jailed in Spain for allegedly helping plan the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, according to court documents reviewed by The Associated Press.

                      Zougam and thousands of other Moroccans were put under police surveillance after May terrorist bombings in the coastal city of Casablanca that killed 33 people and 12 bombers, a Moroccan official told AP, speaking on condition of anonymity.

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                      • Pink Spider
                        Sniper
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 867

                        #12
                        I doubt the credibility of that poll, but won't argue with it.

                        Don't care. They're out now.

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                        • Flash Bastard

                          #13
                          So Spain wants to tuck tail and run away from the war on terrorism?

                          And they elected a socialist government for reasons based upon errorneus preliminary reports that Al Qaida was involved?

                          Fucking idiots. I'm crossing Spain off my 'cool list'.

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                          • Pink Spider
                            Sniper
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 867

                            #14
                            Iraq is not al-Qaida. Who ran away from it first?

                            Fixing problems in your own country is the best way to end terrorism. Feed a terrorist organization and they just get bigger.
                            I think the Spaniards might just prove that theory.

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                            • Cathedral
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 6618

                              #15
                              This thread alone proves that Liberal's do not love this country if they are not the Puppet Master.

                              Someday, when the liberal minded people wake up they will figure out that Bush was the best thing for this country at this particular time.

                              Just the things i read in this forum from the left supporters is enough to make me weep because you just-don't-get-it.
                              It also has dawned on me that the left doesn't like independant thinkers because they cannot be manipulated into believing trumped up charges without "PROOF" of said conspiracies.

                              I do not want the America you have planned for us because it flies in the face of everything my faith leads me to believe.
                              We sat through 8 years of nothing leadership with Clinton, yet you lib's have been kicking and screaming since day 1 of the Bush Admin.

                              Where is the fair and equal representation for those of us who do not see eye to eye with YOUR political visions?
                              We don't rate a voice or an opinion on how a strong Nation should be run?
                              The only idiots in this country are the one's that think that one political party is more honest than the other. the one who thinks that any party has the interests of those who actually make it function....The hard working tax payers making $35,000 a year.

                              Here's the kicker. it doesn't matter who sits in the oval office in Washington because everything we are witnessing in our world was written about in the scriptures and it will come to pass whether you like it or not, believe it or not, embrace it or not.

                              You can blame whomever you want. lay it at the feet of a political party, but understand one thing folks.....It is ALL MAN who is to blame for the fate of this world.

                              I saw some footage of John Kerry attending a church service the other day and was shocked to see that when the pastor started talking about abortion Kerry got up and walked out of the service.

                              You can pick and choose which party to vote for, but you cannot pick and choose which scriptures you agree with and don't.

                              So many people in this country are not being represented by our government on both sides of the isle it is pathetic. Political Correctness is responsible for basically setting our temperment back to the dark ages and the result will be total and complete anarchy in the streets if the sane minded folk on both sides refuse to put a stop to it. the voters simply don't have that power thanks to a thing called The Electorate.......

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