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  • ALinChainz
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jan 2004
    • 12080

    Manny Ramirez...Alfonso Soriano?

    A proposed three-team deal involving the Boston Red Sox, New York Mets and Tampa Bay Devil Rays "hit a roadblock" Friday night, according to a baseball official familiar with the discussions, and now appears unlikely to happen at all.


    The deal proposed would have sent unhappy Boston slugger Manny Ramirez and Tampa Bay closer Danys Baez to the Mets, with the Red Sox acquiring outfielder/designated hitter Aubrey Huff and outfielder Mike Cameron, and the Devil Rays getting two prospects apiece from the Mets and Red Sox.


    But with a 4 p.m. ET deadline looming Sunday, it could be too late to finish the blockbuster on time. An executive with one of the three teams said late Friday night that the teams have now decided if they can't get the deal patched back together by about noon Saturday, they will have no choice but to move on.


    "If there are any complications involving Manny's contract, or any financial ramifications [such as luxury tax or deferral issues], that would require the approval of the commissioner's office," the executive said. "So this is not the kind of deal you can do at 3:59 p.m. Sunday."


    Given that deadline, the executive said, "it's looking like it's not going to happen. Time's just running out. At some point it just becomes too late."


    A source said the Red Sox felt they could not go ahead with trading Ramirez and two prime prospects -- reportedly catcher Kelly Shoppach and right-hander Anibal Sanchez -- if all they were receiving was New York's Cameron and Tampa Bay's Huff. So they went back to the Mets "for more pieces," the source reported. At that point, the Mets "squashed the whole thing" and talks broke off.


    A baseball man with knowledge of the discussions said the Red Sox asked the Mets for a "key player," whom the Mets felt they couldn't trade.


    An official of another club that spoke with the Mets on Friday night said the Mets also had reservations about going ahead with the deal because they would have had to assume all $64 million of Ramirez's contract, and that would have put them both over budget and over the luxury-tax threshold.


    What's uncertain now is whether the deal can be revived, or even whether any portion of it can be revived. The Mets had been talking separately to the Devil Rays about Baez, and the Red Sox had been talking with Tampa Bay about Huff. Then on Friday afternoon, the teams made an attempt to connect the two trades. The Devil Rays were described by sources as being ecstatic about the prospects they would have received -- the Mets were prepared to include right-hander Yusmeiro Petit and outfielder Lastings Milledge -- so they're expected to keep pressing the Mets and Red Sox to put the pieces back together.


    An official with one team who spoke with the Red Sox on Friday said Boston had gotten inquiries from at least two other teams about trading for Ramirez -- but that any attempt to rev up talks with those clubs Saturday would run into the same time constraints.


    So barring something miraculous, it appears Ramirez will still be with the Red Sox come next week -- and for the rest of the year.


    "We tried," said a frustrated official from one of the three clubs involved in the negotiations. "It just didn't work."


    ESPN Story
  • Warham
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Mar 2004
    • 14587

    #2
    He makes too much money to be traded.

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    • ben halen
      Head Fluffer
      • Jan 2005
      • 203

      #3
      Espn- deadline for deal 12 noon tomorrow agreed by teams involved.
      HEY NOW!

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      • Igosplut
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Jan 2004
        • 2793

        #4
        Isn't that the deadline for all the trading??
        Chainsaw Muthuafucka

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        • Va Beach VH Fan
          ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
          • Dec 2003
          • 17913

          #5
          No, just for this deal....

          Too much money, too many negotiations between too many teams, not enough time....

          Ain't gonna happen....
          Eat Us And Smile - The Originals

          "I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth

          "We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth

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          • POJO_Risin
            Roth Army Caesar
            • Mar 2003
            • 40648

            #6
            The regular deadline is at 4:00...

            Gammons will be at the HOF...getting inducted...

            lmfao...he'll no doubt be answering the phone while giving his speech...
            "Van Halen was one of the most hallelujah, tailgate, backyard, BBQ, arrive four hours early to the gig just for the parking lot bands. And still to this day is. It's an attitude. I think it's a spirit more than anything else is."

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            • ALinChainz
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Jan 2004
              • 12080

              #7
              Mets prospect Milledge key piece to trade puzzle


              By Jayson Stark

              ESPN.com



              The proposed three-team trade involving the Red Sox, New York Mets and Tampa Bay Devil Rays -- with Boston outfielder Manny Ramirez at the heart of it -- is still alive and still being discussed, baseball sources said Saturday.

              The proposal took on a different look late Friday into Saturday, however.


              The Red Sox would acquire Mets outfielder Mike Cameron and pitcher Aaron Heilman, and Devil Rays outfielder/designated hitter Aubrey Huff; the Mets would get Ramirez, reliever Danys Baez and shortstop Julio Lugo; and the Devil Rays would still get four prospects, but the prospects are being reconsidered.

              An official with one of the three teams told ESPN.com that the Mets never walked away from the deal Friday night over money. Rather, it was over their reluctance to let go of Lastings Milledge, one of their top prospects. Saturday, however, the Mets have softened on that stance.


              If Milledge is still included in the current proposal, Red Sox prospect Hanley Ramirez gets thrown into the mix. Milledge would potentially go to the Red Sox, and Ramirez would get shipped to Tampa Bay.

              Meanwhile, the Toronto Blue Jays have talked to the Red Sox as well and made an "inquisitive call" about Manny Ramirez, sources said.

              Late Friday, the Red Sox, Mets and Devil Rays had decided that if they couldn't get a deal patched by noon Saturday, they would have no choice but to move on, an executive with one of the teams said late Friday night. Major League Baseball's trade deadline is 4 p.m. ET on Sunday.

              "If there are any complications involving Manny's contract, or any financial ramifications [such as luxury tax or deferral issues, they] would require the approval of the commissioner's office," the executive said. "So this is not the kind of deal you can do at 3:59 p.m. Sunday."


              Given that deadline, the executive said, "it's looking like it's not going to happen. Time's just running out. At some point it just becomes too late."

              According to a baseball official familiar with the discussions, the proposed trade "hit a roadblock" late Friday.

              In addition to the initial proposal of Ramirez and Baez being sent to the Mets, the Red Sox would acquire Huff and Cameron, and the Devil Rays receiving two prospects apiece from New York and Boston.


              But a source said the Red Sox felt they could not go ahead with trading Ramirez and two prime prospects -- reportedly catcher Kelly Shoppach and right-hander Anibal Sanchez -- if all they were receiving was Cameron and Huff. So they went back to the Mets "for more pieces," the source reported.

              At that point, the Mets "squashed the whole thing" and talks broke off. A baseball man with knowledge of the discussions said the Red Sox asked the Mets for a "key player," whom the Mets felt they couldn't trade. It is believed that Milledge was this player.


              An official of another club that spoke with the Mets on Friday night said the Mets also had reservations about going ahead with the deal because they would have had to assume all $64 million of Ramirez's contract, and that would have put them both over budget and over the luxury-tax threshold.

              Senior writer Jayson Stark covers Major League Baseball for ESPN.com.


              The proposed three-team trade involving the Boston Red Sox, New York Mets and Tampa Bay Devil Rays -- with Boston outfielder Manny Ramirez at the heart of it -- is still alive and still being discussed, baseball sources said Saturday.

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              • POJO_Risin
                Roth Army Caesar
                • Mar 2003
                • 40648

                #8
                I'd read that earlier today...and not sure what I think about it...

                Boston sure as fuck would be losing a boatload with Manny...and I don't think Huff and fucking Cameron come close to matching it...
                "Van Halen was one of the most hallelujah, tailgate, backyard, BBQ, arrive four hours early to the gig just for the parking lot bands. And still to this day is. It's an attitude. I think it's a spirit more than anything else is."

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                • Va Beach VH Fan
                  ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 17913

                  #9
                  Originally posted by POJO_Risin
                  Gammons will be at the HOF...getting inducted...
                  Damn Poj, you're slipping...

                  I thought you'd start a new thread for that one....

                  My cynical ass was absolutely ready to go....

                  Oh well, I'll bite my tongue....
                  Eat Us And Smile - The Originals

                  "I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth

                  "We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth

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                  • Va Beach VH Fan
                    ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 17913

                    #10
                    By the way, ESPNEWS is reporting this deal is basically dead....
                    Eat Us And Smile - The Originals

                    "I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth

                    "We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth

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                    • POJO_Risin
                      Roth Army Caesar
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 40648

                      #11
                      You won't be able to...
                      "Van Halen was one of the most hallelujah, tailgate, backyard, BBQ, arrive four hours early to the gig just for the parking lot bands. And still to this day is. It's an attitude. I think it's a spirit more than anything else is."

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                      • POJO_Risin
                        Roth Army Caesar
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 40648

                        #12
                        That being said...the Mets should be doing everything they possibly can to get Manny...

                        Reyes, Lugo, Beltran, Manny is a solid fucking top four...with Floyd batting fifth...
                        "Van Halen was one of the most hallelujah, tailgate, backyard, BBQ, arrive four hours early to the gig just for the parking lot bands. And still to this day is. It's an attitude. I think it's a spirit more than anything else is."

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                        • POJO_Risin
                          Roth Army Caesar
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 40648

                          #13
                          D-Rays reportedly cause snag in Manny trade
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                          The three-team deal that would send Red Sox left fielder Manny Ramirez to the Mets has hit a major snag, according to a report posted by the Boston Globe on its Web site Saturday afternoon.

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                          The third team involved with the blockbuster trade, the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, have demanded that top Red Sox prospect Hanley Ramirez be included in the trade, said the report which got its information from major league sources.

                          The report went on to say the demand for Hanley Ramirez was a deal breaker, and unless the Devil Rays have a change of heart, it would appear that the deal is dead.

                          Under the terms of the proposed deal, according to the Globe, the Red Sox would have received outfielder Mike Cameron, pitcher Aaron Heilman, and outfield prospect Lastings Milledge from the Mets, and infielder/outfielder Aubrey Huff from the Devil Rays.

                          But according to major league sources, the Devil Rays, who on Friday were prepared to accept a package of prospects that included Double-A pitcher Anibal Sanchez from the Red Sox, insisted Saturday on Hanley Ramirez, and the Red Sox turned it down.

                          Manny Ramirez and Devil Rays closer Danys Baez would have gone to the Mets in the deal, according to the report.

                          The Red Sox and Devil Rays could resume talks about a straight two-way deal for Huff, who would give the Red Sox a left-handed bat to replace the injured Trot Nixon, the report said. Huff, however, is due in excess of $6.75 million next season, which could be too expensive for Boston's liking.
                          "Van Halen was one of the most hallelujah, tailgate, backyard, BBQ, arrive four hours early to the gig just for the parking lot bands. And still to this day is. It's an attitude. I think it's a spirit more than anything else is."

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                          • POJO_Risin
                            Roth Army Caesar
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 40648

                            #14
                            The Devil Rays were insisting that Boston trade both its top offensive prospect, Hanley Ramirez, and its top pitching prospect, Jon Lester, to the Rays in order to finish off the deal. The Red Sox, however, couldn't convince themselves to trade their two best prospects and their 150-RBI cleanup man in one massive transaction.

                            But Tampa Bay held firm. So by game time Saturday night, the Red Sox and Mets had decided to remove the Devil Rays from the equation and see if it was possible to pull this off as just a New York-Boston shuttle flight.
                            "Van Halen was one of the most hallelujah, tailgate, backyard, BBQ, arrive four hours early to the gig just for the parking lot bands. And still to this day is. It's an attitude. I think it's a spirit more than anything else is."

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                            • ALinChainz
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 12080

                              #15
                              Can't blame TB for trying ... need the prospects.

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