With proposals to teach Religion in Science class being propelled & christened from the docks of the White House, how about a counter proposal:
Let's teach Science in Church.
Every time a preacher recites a story of a miracle that defies the laws of gravity (Jesus walking on water, etc.), should he or she not ALSO state the opposing point of view...that of: "On the other hand, most scientists believe this did not in fact happen, etc..."?
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Yup, you're typical argument.Originally posted by BigBadBrian
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Great post!Originally posted by steve
With proposals to teach Religion in Science class being propelled & christened from the docks of the White House, how about a counter proposal:
Let's teach Science in Church.
Every time a preacher recites a story of a miracle that defies the laws of gravity (Jesus walking on water, etc.), should he or she not ALSO state the opposing point of view...that of: "On the other hand, most scientists believe this did not in fact happen, etc..."?
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Anyone want this Bet , prove Evolution to me.
Its as equally impossible as ANY religion.
Science is the Study of life not the answer to it.
Oh and by the way WHO CARES
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Many of your greatest scientists have had a deep faith in Me.
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Jesus you show a inner peace i wish to learn about.Originally posted by Jesus Christ
Many of your greatest scientists have had a deep faith in Me.
Are there any books i can read about your ways of life?
gota go see ya when i see ya
Umm... I assume ye hath heard of "The Bible"?Originally posted by thome
Jesus you show a inner peace i wish to learn about.
Are there any books i can read about your ways of life?
gota go see ya when i see ya
It is a bit more complicated than that, my pacifist friend.Originally posted by Jesus Christ
Many of your greatest scientists have had a deep faith in Me.
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See, this is exactly what I meaneth.
Scientists like My friend Stephen can tell you about how boson particles work, but verily they cannot tell you who made the boson particles.
And that's where Dad & I come in
There is nothing wrong with physics. Take that from the Great Physician
Ok but that's not where these fucking idiot creationists come in.Originally posted by Jesus Christ
See, this is exactly what I meaneth.
Scientists like My friend Stephen can tell you about how boson particles work, but verily they cannot tell you who made the boson particles.
And that's where Dad & I come in
Evolution can and has been proved.Originally posted by thome
Anyone want this Bet , prove Evolution to me.
Its as equally impossible as ANY religion.
Science is the Study of life not the answer to it.
Oh and by the way WHO CARES
As you say religion cannot because it relies on the supernatural which by it's nature means you just make shit up.
Prove that invisible fairies don't live at the bottom of everyones yard?
Same thing.
There is absolutely no evidence that little fairies live there.
It's when inevitably someone says I have faith in the fairies and I'm going to persecute you for not believing in them that the problems start...
Has not.Originally posted by Seshmeister
Evolution can and has been proved.
Has.
True dat. I believe in God (shock to some), but I think Creationism/Intelligent design is nothing but horseshit!Originally posted by Seshmeister
Ok but that's not where these fucking idiot creationists come in.
If you believe in God, then you must believe that he created the universe, correct?
Or do you believe in a passive God, where he just started the big bang, then let the universe form on it's own?
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Nobody ever said HOW he created the universe, nor what mechanisms he/she/it used to advance life...Originally posted by Warham
If you believe in God, then you must believe that he created the universe, correct?
Or do you believe in a passive God, where he just started the big bang, then let the universe form on it's own?
In any case, I'm a bit of a pantheist more than anything else.
You believe in all gods?
Here's what I believe. God, at some time in eternity past, spoke about the creation of matter, in the form of the Big Bang. Then time went by, billions of years, as all this matter coalesced into stars and planets, under his guidance, specifically our planet. Then he tinkered around with the elements on this planet, creating amino acids, forming primitive life, then using natural selection formed aquatic life and birds, then land animals, including primates. But then the finishing touch was creating humanity in his image, infusing the body of the homo sapien with a soul he created. Thus Adam, or man, was born. Once he was done with his piece de resistance, he was done creating, and took his rest.
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I believe that God created the universe and everything that naturally occurs in it.Originally posted by Warham
If you believe in God, then you must believe that he created the universe, correct?
Or do you believe in a passive God, where he just started the big bang, then let the universe form on it's own?
The exact means and timetable that it took Him to do so are irrelevant. If there was a literal Garden of Eden, and the fact that it has a specific location suggests that there was, then I would think God put the basic life forms there. In other words, you didn't have poodles and dobermans and great danes, but you had a couple of dogs. Most likely wolves or coyotes. Everything else has been variations within the species over the years. And that is the extent to which I believe in evolution - on the "micro" scale. I haven't seen anything remotely resembling convincing evidence that we evolved from monkeys (no Bush doesn't count) or that it's all been one long march from the primordial ooze.
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Dated version. Actually I believe in a sort of "oversoul" as depicted by EMERSON and THOREAU, you know, the inspiration for Lucas' "The FORCE."Originally posted by Warham
You believe in all gods?
Ah, you believe in a sort of impersonal deity? That's basically what the Force is.
you sir are a moron....if evolution was proven fact it wouldnt be "the THEORY of evolution" it would be the LAW of evolutionEvolution can and has been proved
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Hahaha!
Ok genius boy explain how Noah got every animal that's ever existed into a boat including every insect and every dinosaur.
Then tell us how all the plants in the world survived under 27000 feet of water.
Then tell us where the water came from and where it went.
And for a little encore tell us why the fossils of all advanced organisms like dolphins, whales and flowering plants appear in the upper strata of rock.
Once you've done that we'll move onto the 100000 other reasons why literal belief in the bible is ludicrous.
Cheers!
Exactly exactly!Originally posted by Warham
Ah, you believe in a sort of impersonal deity? That's basically what the Force is.
http://www.emersoncentral.com/oversoul.htm
i didnt say that animals adadpting is untrue and they have proof that there was a great flood on earth at one time. and there is a lot the bible doesnt talk about for all i know God may have used evolution.
That's very similar to my idea of what might have happened.Originally posted by Warham
You believe in all gods?
Here's what I believe. God, at some time in eternity past, spoke about the creation of matter, in the form of the Big Bang. Then time went by, billions of years, as all this matter coalesced into stars and planets, under his guidance, specifically our planet. Then he tinkered around with the elements on this planet, creating amino acids, forming primitive life, then using natural selection formed aquatic life and birds, then land animals, including primates. But then the finishing touch was creating humanity in his image, infusing the body of the homo sapien with a soul he created. Thus Adam, or man, was born. Once he was done with his piece de resistance, he was done creating, and took his rest.
I still don't understand why it's a big deal to teach a scientific theory in a science class. And I still don't understand why a class hitting base on popular and random religions (a world religions class) won't help benefit kids to help understand and promote this tolerance I keep hearing that we need to install.
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i believe that too but i think that God was so massivly awesome that he made what would take billions of years happen in 7 days time byt our scientists cant comprehend how it could work that way but it just did
Part of the problem with folks' concept of "intelligent" design is they tend to anthropomorphise the idea.
We apply all these human characteristics like self-awareness to the scientific debate of:
"order and harmony VS. random events"...which is really as far as the field of what is actually Science can delve into.
To apply human characteristics (aka: "intelligent" design) to the idea of order in the Universe (which is argued against by Hawking and top physicists anyway) is a large and unwarented leap into guesswork...aka faith...aka: Religion.
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What has your lunch got to do with this topic?Originally posted by BigBadBrian
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Compare a wolf to a poodle, there´s your proof!Originally posted by thome
Anyone want this Bet , prove Evolution to me.
Its as equally impossible as ANY religion.
Science is the Study of life not the answer to it.
Oh and by the way WHO CARES
Simple enough??
I believe you are a loser without a life. Your only relief is believing you´re part of a special species and a special country favoured by some kind of god!Originally posted by Redballjets88
i believe that too but i think that God was so massivly awesome that he made what would take billions of years happen in 7 days time byt our scientists cant comprehend how it could work that way but it just did
And that´s exactly what religion is generally used for!
You are blind deaf and wrong YOU believe in it so it makes it REALOriginally posted by Seshmeister
Evolution can and has been proved.
As you say religion cannot because it relies on the supernatural which by it's nature means you just make shit up.
Prove that invisible fairies don't live at the bottom of everyones yard?
Same thing.
There is absolutely no evidence that little fairies live there.
It's when inevitably someone says I have faith in the fairies and I'm going to persecute you for not believing in them that the problems start...
to you./ wake up all is for not in the mind of closed theory.
If evolution is real dork why does a basset hounds dick drag in the dirtOriginally posted by kentuckyklira
Compare a wolf to a poodle, there´s your proof!
Simple enough??
and smack into rocks and snag on sharp sticks dont you think he would
have longer legs or evolved to having his dick on his back!
Wake up the things other people teach you are other peoples things.
If I understand you correctly, what you suggest is not, by definition Scientific Theory. It is fine and well that you believe that interpretation, but Scientific Theory is a tough standard...to say the least.Originally posted by Ally_Kat
That's very similar to my idea of what might have happened.
I still don't understand why it's a big deal to teach a scientific theory in a science class. And I still don't understand why a class hitting base on popular and random religions (a world religions class) won't help benefit kids to help understand and promote this tolerance I keep hearing that we need to install.
It must always be clarified that Scientific Theory is DRASTICALLLY different from the layman's definition of "theory"; as in, "I have a theory".
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Thanks for explaining nothing about nothing and in 50 years yourOriginally posted by Stephen Hawking
If I understand you correctly, what you suggest is not, by definition Scientific Theory. It is fine and well that you believe that interpretation, but Scientific Theory is a tough standard...to say the least.
It must always be clarified that Scientific Theory is DRASTICALLLY different from the layman's definition of "theory"; as in, "I have a theory".
nothing will be disproven as wrong.
hey douche bag fuck off this was a normal and good forum til you came in. and saying i believe the us is superioir? look at your german ancestory and the nazi's thats the extreme of thinking your race is the best eh? so fuck off and quit talking to me for no reasonI believe you are a loser without a life. Your only relief is believing you´re part of a special species and a special country favoured by some kind of god!
Last edited by Redballjets88; 08-09-2005 at 10:51 AM.
the actuall term "scientific theory" isnt used the same as "theory of evolution" the term scientific theory is a way of thinking and going about solving problems. when it is used in the context of theory of evolution it is using the "laymans" termScientific Theory
Heres some silly sh@t for ya!
Maybe the flood is memmory of disaster?
Maybe all living things in the ark is memory of one strand of DNA.
Or tens of thousands
Maybe NOAH is memory of a unmanned space ship
traveling to a certain sized planet a certain distance from a certain STAR of a certain magnitude certain to be cundusive to the
perpetuation of this type of DNA s existance.
There are ten billion reasons to believe in whatever you want
your only problem is ultimate cetainty that you are smart enough
to answer the question of the existance of life.
Or to tell someone else what to believe
Evil exists thats all you or i can be certain of .
What good is is questionable probabitity at best.
Actually, no. The "Theory of Evolution" is the very definition of a Scientific Theory. Through Archeology, biological lab tests, field studies, and finally, long and careful scientific debate...Evolution became Theory.Originally posted by Redballjets88
the actuall term "scientific theory" isnt used the same as "theory of evolution" the term scientific theory is a way of thinking and going about solving problems. when it is used in the context of theory of evolution it is using the "laymans" term
Unfortunately, detective (Columbo) TV shows and entertainment cancers such as Law and Order routinely use the word "theory" to describe one's "hunch" or "guess" about something. This was the layman's term I was referring to.
go on thinkin that
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