Roger Clemens

[Ralph Grossman]

Steroids do not help you hit big league pitching or pitching of any sort.

Do not try to discredit the man for his accomplishments. His perspective on race. His overall view on life is not what determines his impact on a game. No player in MLB history impacts a game more than Barry Bonds. His presence alone changes the entire gameplan .

[Bill Lumbergh]

Originally posted by Ralph Grossman
Steroids do not help you hit big league pitching or pitching of any sort.

Do not try to discredit the man for his accomplishments. His perspective on race. His overall view on life is not what determines his impact on a game. No player in MLB history impacts a game more than Barry Bonds. His presence alone changes the entire gameplan .

Five stars..........

[Warham]

If steroids don't help you in the big leagues, then why are the players taking them?

The evidence doesn't back up your claims, Grossman.

[Bill Lumbergh]

BOY THOSE CUBBIES ARE HOT HOT HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Warham]

They suck, Lumbergh, and it's because of us taking that poor excuse for a manager off your hands.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Originally posted by Warham
They suck, Lumbergh, and it's because of us taking that poor excuse for a manager off your hands.

You want the poor excuse for a manager we have now?

[VHdamaco]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
And why did THE MIGHTY BARRY have to come up in this thread? And kid, you don't know SHIT about baseball, let's talk Cobra Commander instaed........

bonds came up in this thread as a retalitory remark to you calling clemens a "fucking juicer." clemens is known for a rigourous training regimine, as is bonds, but there has been no claim whatsoever of clemens getting within a mile of the sauce (mind you, i don't know whether or not bonds has, but with all the info thats been released, lets just say the magic 8 ball would say "all signs point to yes.")...

i understand defending your favorite player, but to sit there and attack a KID for using what info he's heard through the media and making an opinion is assinine. which begs my question, what info do YOU have that clemens is juicing?...

from what i've seen you post here at the army, you're a smart guy; but don't tell me you're that naive to believe that bonds hasn't done something in his lifetime (compare his size when he started off in pittsburgh and the size he is now, i understand getting bigger from lifting, but thats too big to be unaided in SOME fashion). the one valid point i've seen is that the juice doesn't help you hit the ball, but it helps you send the fucker flying over the fences, and in one such case, it could help you be a home run king...

(again, i reiterate could because no one except for bonds and his trainer know for sure)...

[Bill Lumbergh]

Everyone knows I WAS FUCKING KIDDING about the Clemens comments, right?

[Bill Lumbergh]

ATTACK A KID?! Redball is a buddy of mine, we were just fucking with each other, man!

[VHdamaco]

oh...

damn, no actually i didn't man...

[Bill Lumbergh]

And by the way, I could care less about Barry's comments OFF THE FIELD, as long as he gets it done ON THE FIELD.

[VHdamaco]

sorry about that...

[Bill Lumbergh]

Originally posted by VHdamaco
oh...

damn, no actually i didn't man...

I did it because any time anyone brings up late career surges, Barry is always brought up as evidence that ONLY juicing can make you THAT productive late in your career(the guy that started this thread is one of the biggest offenders)........so I just threw that out there. I have no reason to believe Clemens is juicing..........

[VHdamaco]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
I did it because any time anyone brings up late career surges, Barry is always brought up as evidence that ONLY juicing can make you THAT productive late in your career(the guy that started this thread is one of the biggest offenders)........so I just threw that out there. I have no reason to believe Clemens is juicing..........

gotcha...

just as long as we're all on the same page here, lol...

[DlocRoth]

Sandy Koufax is the best pitcher of all time, by the way..

With Bob Gibson right behind him.