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    Gene Simmons: ‘Jacko Was An Abuser’

    Kiss bassist/vocalist Gene Simmons believes the late Michael Jackson was guilty of child molestation.
    “I knew Michael,” Simmons tells Classic Rock. “I ran into him a few times. I met him the first time before he became the superstar, when he was sort of teenagey, when he was still a Jackson Five. This was in the Cher days, when Cher and I lived together.

    “But as time moved on, and no matter what my fond memories and fond images of Michael were, with one allegation of paedophilia after another and another and another… Oh dear.

    “I knew some of the musicians he toured with, and specifically one who quit because of seeing boys coming out of the hotel rooms. And then you factor in that his travel agent was put on the stand and in court said that she was authorised to fly to Brazil and bring boys back to America for him…

    “Well, you know, where there’s smoke there’s fire. There’s no question in my mind he molested those kids. Not a doubt.

    “Michael’s on tape going, ‘Give the kids Jesus juice.’ Which is wine. I mean, it’s just endless.

    “There’s never been a single female of any age that I’ve ever known about who has ever made a claim that she has had a physical relationship with Michael, ever.

    “In fact, while he was alive, I never heard about mature men ever making that claim either – and believe me, you can’t keep it a secret. If you’re a celebrity, somebody somewhere will say, ‘Oh yeah, I shagged him.’

    “The only sexual references ever made about Michael Jackson that were made by anyone, anywhere around the world, have always been made by kids, and specifically males usually 10 to 14 years of age; never females, that age or older, and never grown men.

    “Oh, I don’t think this is going away any time soon.”

    * The above is an extract from an interview in the new issue of Classic Rock. Simmons also talks about how Bob Dylan calls him “Mr Kiss”, his relationships with Cher and Diana Ross, how he discovered Eddie Van Halen, and how he reckons he’s got better hair than Donald Trump (not difficult). The March edition of Classic Rock is on sale now.

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    I read that in the mag today.

    First of all, I happen to know that Jackson had more or less the same live band during his entire solo career, so the indication that "some" band members quit his band because he hung around with kids appears to be fabricated to some degree. I'm guessing the plaural was a slip of the tongue?

    Secondly, he's not on tape saying "give the kids Jesus Juice".

    Thirdly, I don't believe sex existed in Michael Jackson's world at all. He seemed completely sexless...even when he was grabbing his crotch on stage. Gene only knows two things: money and sex. He doesn't understand anything outside of that. I can almost guarantee you that MJ was asexual.

    Fourthly, Jordan Chandler's mother took to the stand during the 2005 trial and said that
    she never thought Michael Jackson ever molested her child.

    I don't know why I'm bothering, to be honest...even if the kids came forward and said it was bullshit, anyone who believes it wasn't will still believe it. It has little to do with paedohillia and more to do with celebrity.
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    He won't let go of how he "discovered" Eddie, or Van Halen for that matter...

    But the bottom line is that Van Halen did NOT get signed as a result of Simmons, that came later, and had nothing to do with him....
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    Maybe Michael's problem was he needed a good fuck. Hopefully he got some from Lisa Marie. I mean bonking Elvis' daughter who is cute in her own way should have busted the heeby jeebys loose. A virgin, especially an extra old one has issues, usually some fucking busts that shit loose and builds some confidence.
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    Mike needed to hang with Rich James. Man. I remember getting lucky with a chick in my art class to this class. Damn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun Ponsonby View Post
    I read that in the mag today.

    First of all, I happen to know that Jackson had more or less the same live band during his entire solo career, so the indication that "some" band members quit his band because he hung around with kids appears to be fabricated to some degree. I'm guessing the plaural was a slip of the tongue?

    Secondly, he's not on tape saying "give the kids Jesus Juice".

    Thirdly, I don't believe sex existed in Michael Jackson's world at all. He seemed completely sexless...even when he was grabbing his crotch on stage. Gene only knows two things: money and sex. He doesn't understand anything outside of that. I can almost guarantee you that MJ was asexual.

    Fourthly, Jordan Chandler's mother took to the stand during the 2005 trial and said that
    she never thought Michael Jackson ever molested her child.

    I don't know why I'm bothering, to be honest...even if the kids came forward and said it was bullshit, anyone who believes it wasn't will still believe it. It has little to do with paedohillia and more to do with celebrity.
    MJ was a kiddie fiddler, members of the last Jury spoke publicly about their
    belief (based on all the past evidence they had seen) that he was indeed
    a pedo. However the case on trial didnt have enough evidence to
    finally prosecute. How many boys did he pay millions to stay silent,
    I lost track, Was it 2 or 3 ?

    I agree, "Wheres theres Smoke"

    Assexual people dont have large stashes of Gay porn in their
    possession either. That, I believe is on record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panamark View Post
    MJ was a kiddie fiddler.
    "Kiddie fiddler" LMAO!!! That's funny!!!

    G'Day Marky!!!

    Good to see you mate!!!

    Yeah, there's no doubt that MJ was a full blown Jackaloon!!!

    Seriously, when he dated the Home Alone kid and Webster (YES, taking them to events hand in hand qualify as dates!!!) waived in the red flag right there. Goodness knows what else?

    Plus, that poor fucking "Bubbles" he prolly diddled that chimp's nuts too I'd bet Neverland Ranch on it!!!

    Fucking freak.

    Not you Marky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAX View Post
    "Kiddie fiddler" LMAO!!! That's funny!!!

    G'Day Marky!!!

    Good to see you mate!!!

    Yeah, there's no doubt that MJ was a full blown Jackaloon!!!

    Seriously, when he dated the Home Alone kid and Webster (YES, taking them to events hand in hand qualify as dates!!!) waived in the red flag right there. Goodness knows what else?

    Plus, that poor fucking "Bubbles" he prolly diddled that chimp's nuts too I'd bet Neverland Ranch on it!!!

    Fucking freak.

    Not you Marky.
    Good to see you to MAXIMUS !!

    Treadin the boards with the same enthusiasm again !!

    With MJ, I was like Ponsonby, the first time it came to light that he
    maybe playing with little boys, I was like "Oh but he didnt have a real
    childhood and thinks he is a kid... blah blah etc etc"
    But fuck me..... Year after Year of new boys and payoffs and court cases
    and evidence and yeah, thats a lot of smoke !!

    I think anyone who believes he didnt at least diddle those kids
    is in total denial.

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    Question

    Ya know, I treat this whole "Gene Simmons Discovered Eddie Van Halen" routine much the same way that I view the "Columbus Discovered America" deal. I mean, think about it for a minute...Your boat accidentally comes across some uncharted land, and there not only appears to be a group of people onshore waving at your ass, they also happen to be holding a fucking BBQ. And you steadfastly claim that it was you that discovered this?
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    Agreed and the demos of Gene's were..... brilliant in the rawness of it but by no means even what I'd call close to getting to what VH was all about.....I know it's just a demo but.....

    Come on now Gene, your record label was more interested in getting Disco acts and fad followers than ever caring about the art....You're a fucking businessman, what the hell were you bringing a product to a company you know had no interest in it, talk about dumb. Don't even tell me for a second you didn't see dollar $$$'s when you "discovered" Van Halen......instead of looking at that as an achievement, look at it as a failure....the one that got away.

    If Teddy T didn't produce VHI do you think we'd have Eruption on tape?
    And Casablanca couldn't of got Ted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun Ponsonby View Post
    Secondly, he's not on tape saying "give the kids Jesus Juice".
    It's in the videotape, fuckin retard.

    Why are you schilling for Wacko Jacko's cred?

    Go fuck some little boys, ShamePedoschilly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GAR View Post
    It's in the videotape, fuckin retard.

    Why are you schilling for Wacko Jacko's cred?

    Go fuck some little boys, ShamePedoschilly!
    ....says the guy who pisses on little boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAR View Post
    Why are you schilling for Wacko Jacko's cred?
    Then before he was defending Michael Jackson, he was defending Bob Geldof. Not sure which is worse, but who the hell is this guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panamark View Post
    I think anyone who believes he didnt at least diddle those kids
    is in total denial.
    Isn't it odd, that it takes such a gross guy as this to point out the obvious?

    WTF is wrong with people. They're so GAGA for this guy - all he did was sing other people's songs, and dance.

    You'd think with all the oddballs everywhere, MJ was some fucking Saint. Even my chick says he was wonderful. She didn't meet him, it's just all the press and the celebrity of it all.

    Fuck MJ. He's dead and yet, he just won't fucking die already!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackflag View Post
    .. but who the hell is this guy?
    Posonby is an oppositionist: point a flaw, he'll flip it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Mike needed to hang with Rich James. Man. I remember getting lucky with a chick in my art class to this class. Damn!

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    MJ had no shortage of chicks wanting him, or his brothers.

    Two things fucked him up: 1) his dad feeding him female steroids past puberty kicking in, that permanently shrank his nuts, and probably made him sterile and 2) belonging to that Jehova Witness cult his mom had everybody into.

    I don't think Rick James can save a man's manhood when the war is inside the head. But if Rick James can't get you laid.. you got problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun Ponsonby View Post

    Thirdly, I don't believe sex existed in Michael Jackson's world at all. He seemed completely sexless...even when he was grabbing his crotch on stage. Gene only knows two things: money and sex. He doesn't understand anything outside of that. I can almost guarantee you that MJ was asexual.
    Oh c'mon! The guy built a multi-million dollar theme park in order to attract children. He was no different than you average child molester driving around the neighborhood in a ice cream truck. And the dude was hardly asexual. Granted, he might have married Lisa Marie for a career boost rather than a proper marriage relationship but he had his fair share of women though I do believe he didn't have much interest in them despite fathering a child or two.
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    I don't know how anyone could defend that guy. Too much going on in the guilty direction. anyone who raised charges was no doubt paid off to take them back. I don't think he had sex with any of his "wives" including Lisa Marie. Those were all for publicity, just like taking Brooke Shields to the Grammy's and bouncing Emmanuel Lewis on his knee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panamark View Post
    Good to see you to MAXIMUS !!

    Treadin the boards with the same enthusiasm again !!
    Marky!!!

    Yeah, it's great to be back home again and with somewhat of a sound mind. Well, I'll always be a bit dimented cos I've definitely fried far too many braincells during my almost forty year existence. lol

    Yeah, 2009 was kind of a fucked up year for me. Great things with DG but the economy, personal stuff, etc. Wasn't the best.

    Regardless, 2010 is looking up!!!

    Anyhoo, happy to be back and look forward to many fun times ahead with you my old mate. Tell Mary hi for me ok?

    With MJ, I was like Ponsonby, the first time it came to light that he
    maybe playing with little boys, I was like "Oh but he didnt have a real
    childhood and thinks he is a kid... blah blah etc etc"
    But fuck me..... Year after Year of new boys and payoffs and court cases
    and evidence and yeah, thats a lot of smoke !!

    I think anyone who believes he didnt at least diddle those kids
    is in total denial.
    There's no doubt in my mind Jacko asked little boys to dig around in his pockets for a roll of Life Savers. I think a lot of his plastic surgury was out of guilt and hence the metaphorphasis so he could hide within himself, so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun Ponsonby View Post
    I read that in the mag today.

    First of all, I happen to know that Jackson had more or less the same live band during his entire solo career, so the indication that "some" band members quit his band because he hung around with kids appears to be fabricated to some degree. I'm guessing the plaural was a slip of the tongue?

    Secondly, he's not on tape saying "give the kids Jesus Juice".

    Thirdly, I don't believe sex existed in Michael Jackson's world at all. He seemed completely sexless...even when he was grabbing his crotch on stage. Gene only knows two things: money and sex. He doesn't understand anything outside of that. I can almost guarantee you that MJ was asexual.

    Fourthly, Jordan Chandler's mother took to the stand during the 2005 trial and said that
    she never thought Michael Jackson ever molested her child.

    I don't know why I'm bothering, to be honest...even if the kids came forward and said it was bullshit, anyone who believes it wasn't will still believe it. It has little to do with paedohillia and more to do with celebrity.
    I agree with you...fucking douche bag Simmons claims "one pedophelia charge after another"...well...there were exactly TWO...BOTH of which were proven false...just some grifter piece of shit parent extorting money.

    MJ a freak? No doubt....child molestor? Where's the proof? No evidence at all. Period.

    The guy had no childhood at all....so who are we to judge? Sure...he made himself look guilty...but that doesn't mean he was.

    Simmons should shut the fuck up.

    At least MJ had talent.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Oh c'mon! The guy built a multi-million dollar theme park in order to attract children. He was no different than you average child molester driving around the neighborhood in a ice cream truck. And the dude was hardly asexual. Granted, he might have married Lisa Marie for a career boost rather than a proper marriage relationship but he had his fair share of women though I do believe he didn't have much interest in them despite fathering a child or two.

    Children ACCOMPANIED BY THEIR PARENTS........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby's On Fire View Post

    At least MJ had talent.....
    Well you were going along just fine until this......
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    I was never a fan of MJ....but had no animosity either...but you can't deny his talent.......

    C'mon "Sensible" Shoes.....

    You're being absurd to say he wasn't a phenomenol talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Emmanuel is looking like a mini-me version of Fat Albert these days

    Hey! Hey! Hey!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAR View Post
    MJ had no shortage of chicks wanting him, or his brothers.

    Two things fucked him up: 1) his dad feeding him female steroids past puberty kicking in, that permanently shrank his nuts, and probably made him sterile and 2) belonging to that Jehova Witness cult his mom had everybody into.

    I don't think Rick James can save a man's manhood when the war is inside the head. But if Rick James can't get you laid.. you got problems.
    Rick was the shit in the day. I mean this girl is over at my house helping me work on an art project and the Street Songs LP is on the turntable and one thing led to another and.....Damn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Emmanuel is looking like a mini-me version of Fat Albert these days

    Looks like his ass is still sore after all those late nights with MJ back in the 80's!
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    Nobody will ever know for sure - arguments can be made both ways and they're both equally legitimate. Unless Macauley Culkin or any other of his associates says one way or another, but I doubt that'll ever happen.
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    Yet another subject on which Gene is an expert.

    What a dumbass this guy can be....
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    Great talent, wrong in the head, diddler p.o.s. !

    Any doubters will be singing a different tune after reading this book...
    Be Careful Who You Love: Inside the ... - Google Books


    He's dead. Karma wins. Let's move on shall we !?
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    Not sure where Chaim thinks he has the right to judge here.....

    Didn't he brag about fucking a bunch of underaged girls back in the 70's?

    I know he can't be a homophobe, because his bandmate and business partner Paul Stanley likes to check out guys' cocks in public toilets. Maybe not as closely as George Michael does, but he's still looking!

    Maybe he's just afraid that Michael racked up a bigger number of pedobear fucks than he did?
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    Dunno if it a dysfunction on my part, but I can still listen to Jackson's music and enjoy it, even in spite of the allegations.
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    I can't listen to an MJ song on the radio and NOT think Joe Jackson gets a free pass from the damage he did to everybody in that family. For greed, and celebrity. Fuck that guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondjimi View Post
    Great talent, wrong in the head, diddler p.o.s. !

    Any doubters will be singing a different tune after reading this book...
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    He's dead. Karma wins. Let's move on shall we !?
    That's my opinon too... he's takin a dirt nap and no longer a threat nor a consideration for what he was or wasn't in his private life. That's all done...

    He'll be an icon of the era for music, dance and artistry... up there with the likes of Elvis, Sinatra, Hendrix, EVH, etc... The music will be all that stands firmly... the rest left to lore and legend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panamark View Post
    MJ was a kiddie fiddler, members of the last Jury spoke publicly about their
    belief (based on all the past evidence they had seen) that he was indeed
    a pedo. However the case on trial didnt have enough evidence to
    finally prosecute. How many boys did he pay millions to stay silent,
    I lost track, Was it 2 or 3 ?

    I agree, "Wheres theres Smoke"

    Assexual people dont have large stashes of Gay porn in their
    possession either. That, I believe is on record.
    Its funny how any members of the jury who spoke of such only spoke of such after thousand dollar book offers were made. True story. He didn't make the decision to pay anyone. Court records show that the original "pay-offs" were negotiated by his insurance company and lawyers whilst he was in rehab for painkiller addiction. These were made without his consent. He later said that he "paid people off" so as the media assault would end quickly. He did this as his people making such arrangements behind his back embarrassed him. Jordan Chandler never accused him of anything-only his father, who is on tape planning an extorion attempt. Not long after MJ died, Jordan Chandler's father committed suicide. In the past few years, Jordan Chandler has admitted (privately) that nothing ever happened. Jordan Chandler's mother testified under oath that she never believed anything ever happened.

    Asexual people do have porn. Asexuality is a complex issue that I don't expect people from "down under" to understand (because, you know, most of you are thick...this is the part of the world that gave us Home and Away, Neighbours and the Minouges). It's a lack of sexual drive. Being asexual doesn't eliminate basic fantasy and what have you. Read up on it-you'll be surprised. If you can read, that is. I imagine you can at least put together sentences if you're on hear.

    Quote Originally Posted by GAR View Post
    It's in the videotape, fuckin retard.

    Why are you schilling for Wacko Jacko's cred?

    Go fuck some little boys, ShamePedoschilly!
    No it isn't on tape (to my knowledge, and I've researched this case quite heavily for an academic case study on media saturation).

    Sadly, due to the fact that I specialise in English you can understand, I'm oblivious to the phrase "schilling for Wacko Jacko's cred".

    And very witty with the "ShamePedoschilly". It's not quite up there with saying "yo mama", but its a close second. Contratulations on being a cock.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Oh c'mon! The guy built a multi-million dollar theme park in order to attract children. He was no different than you average child molester driving around the neighborhood in a ice cream truck. And the dude was hardly asexual. Granted, he might have married Lisa Marie for a career boost rather than a proper marriage relationship but he had his fair share of women though I do believe he didn't have much interest in them despite fathering a child or two.
    Once again, the definition of asexual is misunderstood by thick people who can't be arsed reading up on things before they proclaim themselves an expert in the fucking field.

    I maintain Michael Jackson was mentally ill and misunderstood. In many ways, he was intellectually brilliant. In other ways, he was intellectually regressed. If he was truly paedophillic, would he say to Martin Bashir; "I allow children to sleep in my bed". Realistically, no. Is it right that children slept in his bed? Realistically, no.

    One thing history has taught us is that if someone is gifted in a certain area, they are often robbed of something elsewhere...this goes right back to ancient religious figures, even through the likes of Fredrick William. If Michael Jackson wasn't a talented guy, he wouldn't have reached so many people. His price? He was stuck in a world where everything was innocent. You look at that Martin Bashir film and he's a man in his 40s still climbing trees and having water balloon fights. When Bashir says "don't you prefer making love?", he practically ignores him. When he talks of his first semi-sexual encounter, in his 20s of all times, he says he couldn't go through with it. Bashir himself said that he thinks MJ "sees sex as something people have to go through, not enjoy".

    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    Unless Macauley Culkin or any other of his associates says one way or another, but I doubt that'll ever happen.
    Well, Culkin is adament that nothing ever happened and they remained friends until MJ died. In fact, he was known to get quite pissed off if anyone ever suggessted that anything ever went down.

    And another "kid" was called to testify at the trial for the prosecution. He instead testified for the defense and quit his job in Australia so as he could travel to America to testify for the defense. He said he continued the "sleepovers" until he was way into his 20s and only stopped because it became inpractical for him in his life and because MJ started raising his own family.


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    As I said earlier, if you believe MJ was a child molester absolutely nothing, including the "kids" admitting it was bullshit, will ever change your mind. Ever. It's part of the massive cynical media/celebrity bullshit we experience today. Along with the rest of them. I could sit here for hours and list all the (quite frankly fascinating) stuff that has affected the MJ story, a story that if you made up you would think was completely ridiculous and had no believable qualities whatsoever, and all the other bullshit news reportage that has saturated people's knowledge of the world for God-Knows-How-Long. But none of you really give a shit. You'll believe what you want to believe. Fair enough. People who watch MSNBC do so because they're liberal. People who watch Fox News do so because they're conservtives (and if you think Bill O'Reily talks sense, that also makes you one of the lowest forms of human). You read the news you believe in. I'll believe what I want to believe. There's really no use in arguing about it for that very reason (I've argued back here, but thats mainly because I'm drunk and because the MJ reportage was very one-sided given that everyone decided he was definitely going down for it and my beef is with news media and not with people who think MJ was a paedophile...it also interests me that many of the reporters who decided he was guilty suddenly changed their minds the minute he died, thus promoting the idea of these snivelling imbeciles being nothing other than desperate cunts who crave acceptance from a popular audience. I literally don't believe anything I read anymore...everyone has an agenda).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun Ponsonby View Post
    Its funny how any members of the jury who spoke of such only spoke of such after thousand dollar book offers were made. True story. He didn't make the decision to pay anyone. Court records show that the original "pay-offs" were negotiated by his insurance company and lawyers whilst he was in rehab for painkiller addiction. These were made without his consent. He later said that he "paid people off" so as the media assault would end quickly. He did this as his people making such arrangements behind his back embarrassed him. Jordan Chandler never accused him of anything-only his father, who is on tape planning an extorion attempt. Not long after MJ died, Jordan Chandler's father committed suicide. In the past few years, Jordan Chandler has admitted (privately) that nothing ever happened. Jordan Chandler's mother testified under oath that she never believed anything ever happened.

    Asexual people do have porn. Asexuality is a complex issue that I don't expect people from "down under" to understand (because, you know, most of you are thick...this is the part of the world that gave us Home and Away, Neighbours and the Minouges). It's a lack of sexual drive. Being asexual doesn't eliminate basic fantasy and what have you. Read up on it-you'll be surprised. If you can read, that is. I imagine you can at least put together sentences if you're on hear.



    No it isn't on tape (to my knowledge, and I've researched this case quite heavily for an academic case study on media saturation).

    Sadly, due to the fact that I specialise in English you can understand, I'm oblivious to the phrase "schilling for Wacko Jacko's cred".

    And very witty with the "ShamePedoschilly". It's not quite up there with saying "yo mama", but its a close second. Contratulations on being a cock.



    Once again, the definition of asexual is misunderstood by thick people who can't be arsed reading up on things before they proclaim themselves an expert in the fucking field.

    I maintain Michael Jackson was mentally ill and misunderstood. In many ways, he was intellectually brilliant. In other ways, he was intellectually regressed. If he was truly paedophillic, would he say to Martin Bashir; "I allow children to sleep in my bed". Realistically, no. Is it right that children slept in his bed? Realistically, no.

    One thing history has taught us is that if someone is gifted in a certain area, they are often robbed of something elsewhere...this goes right back to ancient religious figures, even through the likes of Fredrick William. If Michael Jackson wasn't a talented guy, he wouldn't have reached so many people. His price? He was stuck in a world where everything was innocent. You look at that Martin Bashir film and he's a man in his 40s still climbing trees and having water balloon fights. When Bashir says "don't you prefer making love?", he practically ignores him. When he talks of his first semi-sexual encounter, in his 20s of all times, he says he couldn't go through with it. Bashir himself said that he thinks MJ "sees sex as something people have to go through, not enjoy".



    Well, Culkin is adament that nothing ever happened and they remained friends until MJ died. In fact, he was known to get quite pissed off if anyone ever suggessted that anything ever went down.

    And another "kid" was called to testify at the trial for the prosecution. He instead testified for the defense and quit his job in Australia so as he could travel to America to testify for the defense. He said he continued the "sleepovers" until he was way into his 20s and only stopped because it became inpractical for him in his life and because MJ started raising his own family.


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    As I said earlier, if you believe MJ was a child molester absolutely nothing, including the "kids" admitting it was bullshit, will ever change your mind. Ever. It's part of the massive cynical media/celebrity bullshit we experience today. Along with the rest of them. I could sit here for hours and list all the (quite frankly fascinating) stuff that has affected the MJ story, a story that if you made up you would think was completely ridiculous and had no believable qualities whatsoever, and all the other bullshit news reportage that has saturated people's knowledge of the world for God-Knows-How-Long. But none of you really give a shit. You'll believe what you want to believe. Fair enough. People who watch MSNBC do so because they're liberal. People who watch Fox News do so because they're conservtives (and if you think Bill O'Reily talks sense, that also makes you one of the lowest forms of human). You read the news you believe in. I'll believe what I want to believe. There's really no use in arguing about it for that very reason (I've argued back here, but thats mainly because I'm drunk and because the MJ reportage was very one-sided given that everyone decided he was definitely going down for it and my beef is with news media and not with people who think MJ was a paedophile...it also interests me that many of the reporters who decided he was guilty suddenly changed their minds the minute he died, thus promoting the idea of these snivelling imbeciles being nothing other than desperate cunts who crave acceptance from a popular audience. I literally don't believe anything I read anymore...everyone has an agenda).
    Great post...and backed up by fact.

    I'm sick and tired of all the douchebags here and everywhere claiming MJ was a pedophile.

    There isn't a single shred of evidence that he was guilty....Nothing whatsoever...there was ONE criminal trial that was so fucking weak the defense didn't even need to put on a defense.

    There were tens of thousands of kids who went to Neverland.....tens of fucking thousands accompanies by parents.....

    Simpletons, one and all...those who assume MJ was guilty.

    Freak? Yes. Guilty? Nope

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    And OJ???

    Innocent right?!

    Just like anything else in this world... Justice can and will be bought...

    Beg to differ, Douchebag?

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    I used to be fuckin' CONVINCED that MJ was a pedo. I parodied his songs, with lyrics about kid touching(Is my dick black, or is it white? Let the kids decide), and other such mature themes that I'm known for. However, I'm on the other side of the argument now. I agree with Shaun. I think he was fucking sexless....
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    Sexless is a wierd term even if MJ was that doesn't mean he didn't sex others.

    I just feel that if he was taken all the way to court 2 times think how many others must have been payed off and it was kept out of the courts..?

    Lots of musicians/groups a have a couple tunes I dig. MJ has 10 or so that I dig.

    I have no desire to see the latest cash grab movie about his death tour or to see him live .

    I didn't like him that much, but he was a world wide fenom and some of his tunes are excellent.

    Elvis is the king

    Prince of pop??? not MJ he named himself that..

    No denying his talent.
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