"The Rolling Stones" Thread

[FORD]

[twonabomber]

I watched the Wiltern disc last night. I don't think that version of Dance was very good.

[Kristy]

I don't think that version of Dance was very good.

You fail to understand why.

[FORD]

You fail to understand why.

Maybe because Bill Wyman was better at playing those funky assed bass lines than Daryl Jones is?

Here's an unreleased instrumental version from the Emotional Rescue sessions.....

[twonabomber]

Jones is no slouch on bass.

The Wiltern version just kind of plods along.

[Kristy]

Maybe because Bill Wyman was better at playing those funky assed bass lines than Daryl Jones is?

No, that's not it.

[Mushroom]

Record store day coming up in April. Here are The Rolling Stones releases, if you care:

Rolling Stones, The Rolling Stones (LP) - the original UK debut?
Rolling Stones, Live at Racket NYC (LP) - what year was this performance?

[twonabomber]

Racket was the Hackney Diamonds release gig from last October.

The Hackney Diamonds Live version with the Racket performance came out a few weeks ago on CD.

[twonabomber]

Rehearsals have started. Steve Jordan was in Harlem for a show Thursday night.

Admin of IORR has asked people not to post the location of the rehearsals. Posters have said they visited the site of the 2013 rehearsals (Burbank) and another that "Some girls were in Santa Monica yesterday." So who knows.

[Kristy]

Record store day coming up in April. Here are The Rolling Stones releases, if you care:

Rolling Stones, The Rolling Stones (LP) - the original UK debut?

The US version has more Keith and Mick originals in both their own and pseudonym. Both albums are shit.

[Kristy]

New one on me

[Rikk]

New one on me

Yeah, I have this in my collection. (The YouTube version is perfect quality.)

YOU have to admit, Kristy...this is when the Stones were at their absolute best, no?

They absolutely peaked during this period.

[Kristy]

Yeah, it's called "heroin"

[Rikk]

Yeah, it's called "heroin"

God loves that blessed combination of Rock 'n' Roll AND China White.

[FORD]

That "Shake Your Hips" was from rehearsals for a European TV show called "The Beat Club". Clips of that rehearsal have been floating around for years...

[FORD]

[Rikk]

The Stones used to call themselves the "best rock and roll band in the world." From 1969-1972, they had every right to do so.

You go to a Stones gig in the 1990s or 2000s, you would be lucky to get a glimpse of a song like SHAKE YOUR HIPS or LOVING CUP.

I remember the SHINE A LIGHT movie was so hyped...my girlfriend (now wife) & I saw it at the Navy Pier IMAX theater in the 2000s. I've always thought Scorcese can produce a lot more mediocrity than people like to admit. I didn't need fucking Christina Aguilera doing LIVE WITH ME (the best version of that song will always be the GET YER YA-YA'S OUT version, though the live versions from the STICKY FINGERS box set give it a run for its money). The SHINE A LIGHT version sucks donkey scrotum.

And I think Jack White is awesome. But I don't need him in the SHINE A LIGHT movie providing support for LOVING CUP. Fuck off, mate.

[Terry]

The Stones used to call themselves the "best rock and roll band in the world." From 1969-1972, they had every right to do so.

You go to a Stones gig in the 1990s or 2000s, you would be lucky to get a glimpse of a song like SHAKE YOUR HIPS or LOVING CUP.

I remember the SHINE A LIGHT movie was so hyped...my girlfriend (now wife) & I saw it at the Navy Pier IMAX theater in the 2000s. I've always thought Scorcese can produce a lot more mediocrity than people like to admit. I didn't need fucking Christina Aguilera doing LIVE WITH ME (the best version of that song will always be the GET YER YA-YA'S OUT version, though the live versions from the STICKY FINGERS box set give it a run for its money). The SHINE A LIGHT version sucks donkey scrotum.

And I think Jack White is awesome. But I don't need him in the SHINE A LIGHT movie providing support for LOVING CUP. Fuck off, mate.

I'd say up to and including Tattoo You, The Strolling Bones were an exciting rock and roll band if not "the best"...

After Tattoo You, the studio stuff to my ears was disposable. Disposable to the point of wondering why the band even bothered. Live, the band became this slick, corporatized, uninspiring juggernaut. That includes the show I saw in 1989, which certainly had one of the largest stage productions I'd ever seen but in retrospect wasn't even a show I'd say was among the best I'd ever seen.

SHINE A LIGHT was hyped in the media, but I found it rather boring and uninspired. Jagger with his lazy live vocal shortcuts. Richards was very, very sloppy. Scorsese, known for such great, sustained shots in his movies, was ADD to the max with the editing...a new shot every 5 seconds. Didn't mind Aguilera's duet on Live With Me. Never had any use for Jack White. Neither of them were emblematic for me as to the underlying problems with SHINE A LIGHT, but by the point that film was released that boring, uninspired performance was nothing new to my ears so it wasn't a shock. The Stones over the past 40 years get too much credit for merely existing as opposed to what they were actually doing during those years.

However, the band had a string a great records from...what, 1968 to 1981. Ain't too many rock bands who - when you boil it right down - have had a string of truly great records for a decade plus.

[Rikk]

I'd say up to and including Tattoo You, The Strolling Bones were an exciting rock and roll band if not "the best"...

After Tattoo You, the studio stuff to my ears was disposable. Disposable to the point of wondering why the band even bothered. Live, the band became this slick, corporatized, uninspiring juggernaut. That includes the show I saw in 1989, which certainly had one of the largest stage productions I'd ever seen but in retrospect wasn't even a show I'd say was among the best I'd ever seen.

SHINE A LIGHT was hyped in the media, but I found it rather boring and uninspired. Jagger with his lazy live vocal shortcuts. Richards was very, very sloppy. Scorsese, known for such great, sustained shots in his movies, was ADD to the max with the editing...a new shot every 5 seconds. Didn't mind Aguilera's duet on Live With Me. Never had any use for Jack White. Neither of them were emblematic for me as to the underlying problems with SHINE A LIGHT, but by the point that film was released that boring, uninspired performance was nothing new to my ears so it wasn't a shock. The Stones over the past 40 years get too much credit for merely existing as opposed to what they were actually doing during those years.

However, the band had a string a great records from...what, 1968 to 1981. Ain't too many rock bands who - when you boil it right down - have had a string of truly great records for a decade plus.

I appreciate what you're offering.

Do not get me wrong. I am a SERIOUS Stones fan. (You should see my collection in my mancave...every album, box set, Blu-Ray, DVD, book, etc.).

But I almost separate them into four bands:
1) The 60s Stones...lots of R&B and covers...some great originals...pretty good live band for the 60s era, but merely a weak blueprint of what they later became. This period is everything before BEGGARS BANQUET.
2) Greatest Rock & Roll Band in the World...BEGGARS to EXILE, possibly including GOATS HEAD SOUP. Simply amazing. Their raggedness was part of their strength.
3) Great band but not the same...IT'S ONLY ROCK 'N' ROLL to TATTOO YOU...great, professional rock 'n' roll band. My favorite album from this period is actually BLACK 'N' BLUE, not SOME GIRLS. TATTOO YOU is great (but outtakes)...the TATTOO YOU bonus disc (more finished outtakes) from the box set is a solid Stones album in and of itself.
4) The later, polished band...UNDERCOVER to present. It's nice having them around. HACKNEY DIAMONDS is, easily, the best album from this long period. I would argue that it's almost as strong as TATTOO YOU...a minor miracle, that album. I saw them twice during the VOODOO LOUNGE tour...then didn't see them again until SOLDIER FIELD in 2019. That was the better gig...they smoked in 2019. Keith was ragged...but Charlie was great and the band played better and sounded more inspired than both VOODOO LOUNGE shows I saw. Studio work during these decades...there are moments here and there. I might place A BIGGER BANG as the absolutely weakest Stones album ever. BRIDGES TO BABYLON is also really weak. I'd actually (at this point) take STEEL WHEELS over VOODOO LOUNGE. And as cheesy as moments on UNDERCOVER are, I'd still place it higher than most of the work they released in this "super-stars" period. But, funny enough, I'd probably rate HACKNEY DIAMONDS as the best album from this entire LONG period.

Footnote: The Stones losing Wyman was a greater loss than anyone realized at the time. I find Daryl Jones...really dull on bass.

The Stones are a great band. But they're not really The Stones anymore, as much as I like HACKNEY DIAMONDS. Without Mick Taylor, they lost their ragged perfection. Without Wyman/Watts, they lost an amazing rhythm section.

But, as always, it's nice to have them around.

At this point, I get more excited by the box sets than anything else they do...because with MOST of the box sets, they release a solid album of finished outtakes. The EXILE ON MAIN STREET bonus disc is one of their strongest albums EVER...let alone a strong archive release.

[Kristy]

Rolling Stones playing cards by Theory 11. How bitchin'




Pointless for someone like slave FORD for the only card game he knows how to play are the ones Koch Industries taught him.