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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Here's an audience clip from Keef's court-mandated benefit concert for the blind school in 1979. (Obviously at least one person in attendance wasn't blind).

    Not the best quality footage, but probably the only time you'll ever see "Prodigal Son" performed live. Mick and Keef did that one by themselves and then were joined by the rest of the Stones for the remainder of the show.

    Clearly one of the blind shot this footage.
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    You said it so I didn't have to.
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    Still prefer Main Offender over Talk is Cheap - more refined production, more rhythmically astute and lyrically better also imho

    Tracking through Ronnie Woods 'Slide on This' right now for the first time, and the only song I have yet to embrace is the country'sh song with the fiddle - good, but not as solid as the rest .. boy he sounds a little Dylan'sh as a vocalist on this ..
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    Speaking of Woody.... here's a rare vocal from him on an early take from the Dirty Work sessions. Mick was apparently elsewhere working on his solo album at the time......



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    Rock Hall to launch massive 'Rolling Stones: 50 Years of Satisfaction' on Memorial Day weekend

    The Rolling Stones are planning a tour to mark their 50th anniversary in the rock 'n' roll business, and the Rock Hall is planning a major exhibition to do the same.

    "Rolling Stones: 50 Years of Satisfaction" opens at the museum on Friday, May 24, the day that launches the Memorial Day weekend.

    "It's been in the works for close to a year," said Greg Harris, the new president and CEO of the Rock Hall, in a telephone interview.

    "The greatest rock 'n' roll band in the world is worthy of a showcase exhibit, and to be able to do it in their 50th year is great."

    Well, TECHNICALLY, 2013 is the band's 51st year, having formed in London in 1962 with an original lineup that featured Mick Jagger on vocals and harmonica, Brian Jones on guitar, Ian Stewart on piano, Keith Richards on guitar, Bill Wyman on bass and Charlie Watts on drums.

    Jones drowned in 1969 and Wyman retired in 1993. Stewart was dismissed from the band in 1963, but remained as road manager and occasional studio musician. He died in 1985.

    Jagger, Watts and Richards are still with the band, which now includes guitarist Ronnie Wood.

    The exhibit will take up the top two floors in the Rock Hall, in the space that previously held exhibits dedicated to "Women Who Rock" and Bruce Springsteen. It now features an exhibit paying homage to the Grateful Dead, which will close March 24.

    The exhibit will include personal items from the Stones, as well as items from privately held collections, the Rock Hall said.

    Harris said a curator from the museum was in London last week, hand-selecting items from the Stones' own storage spaces. A complete list isn't available now, but a partial accounting includes some of Richards' guitars, a drawing by Watts that was featured in a program sold on the Stones' 1966 U.S. tour and the band's 1963 publishing agreement.

    A Richards jacket worn on the cover of the band's "Big Hits (High Tide and Green Grass)" album is already on the premises, and it had Harris excited. But he laughed when asked if tempted to try it on.

    "When I first saw it, well, it's an artifact," Harris said. "When you hold it, like any great museum artifact, there's an energy there, there's a power there."

    Most of the artifacts are on loan to the museum, and Harris said the Rock Hall is "working directly with the Stones, Mick, Keith, Ronnie, Charlie and their management."

    After the exhibit's yearlong run in Cleveland, Harris said it's likely to go on the road.

    Harris sees traveling exhibits as an outreach program, one that will play to bigger audiences and make the museum more relevant to a wider group. And they are a plug for the museum itself, he said.

    "We think that when people see traveling exhibits, they don't say, 'I've seen it. I'm not going to go to Cleveland.'"

    Rather it's an allurement to draw people to "the mother ship," Harris said.

    Whether any of the Stones will actually be at the opening is still up in the air.

    "It's too soon to predict any of that," Harris said. "All signs point to a big [Rolling Stones] tour, and we have no idea how the tour sequences with the exhibition. We're optimistic that at some point, they will come by to see the exhibition."
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    Can't go opening weekend due to a prior commitment...but I'll go check it out shortly after it opens. The Rock Hall already has a pile of Stones stuff, some of the stage pieces from the Steel Wheels tour and some of Jagger's stage outfits. Keef loaned his vintage Stones pinball machine to the HOF too.

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    For anyone who doubts the musical genius of the Rolling Stones....

    Tell me what other English band could go into a Paris studio and sound like they were playing in a drunken honky tonk bar down south......




    Hank Williams would have loved it. So did I. (not so much the overdubbed vocal on the "cleaned up" version for the Some Girls remaster, though)

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    Id love to sit behind this guy at a show and watch him play.

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    Supposedly that's the same kit he played at the Hyde Park gig after Brian Jones died.

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    Luv that guy ! When Charlie calls it a day the Stones are over .

    Phil Rudd of AC/DC is the only other drummer that " gets it " like Charlie .
    Is it no surprise that The Rolling Stones and AC/DC are the most rhythm dynamic rock bands of all time .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack68 View Post


    Id love to sit behind this guy at a show and watch him play.
    Charlie Watts is one of my favorite drummers. I love how he's dynamic and interacts with the rest of the band instead of just laying a beat down. I love his fills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Charlie Watts is one of my favorite drummers. I love how he's dynamic and interacts with the rest of the band instead of just laying a beat down. I love his fills.
    In Charlie's own words, he "follows" Keith, and that's the foundation of the Stones sound. It also explains some of the train wrecks on their 75/76 tour when Keef's heroin addiction was at its worst, because he fucked up, which caused Charlie to fuck up, and that derailed the whole thing.

    Charlie's a jazz drummer at heart, who just ended up playing for 50 years in the world's greatest rock n roll band. Probably aren't many rock drummers out there that were playing jazz first. Alex Van Halen, maybe, when he and Ed used to play with their dad as kids.

    Ironic that they're two of my favorite drummers, considering I've never been a huge fan of jazz myself.

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    Don't know if this has been mentioned here already, but I heard on the radio last night that the four remaining Stones are planning on meeting in the next couple of weeks to hammer out details for their 50th anniversary tour. DJ said the rumor is there will only be about 18 dates in the US. I'm thinking of taking my 9-year-old to this one, just so she can say she saw The Rolling Stones (if I can convince mom to let me spend $250 for nosebleed tickets...)

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    "Maybe if we just slowed that one down a little......"


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    Keef plays the blues.....


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    This guy does a great Keith

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    Keefs Fender twins. Charlie and Keef stick with the same gear and use it forever.



    Are the speakers JBL's?



    I've been chasing Keef's tone since 1979. It never was the Beetles for me as a kid. It was The Rolling Stones. I had a Rolling Stones sticker on my skateboard. I can remember being little and hearing Satisfaction on the radio and I was hooked. I like how Keef's guitar tech says getting the tone is illusive. That's damn straight. Unless you get that tone close the Rolling Stones songs you play just sound wrong. There is only one Rolling Stones. Nobody can copy them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    In Charlie's own words, he "follows" Keith, and that's the foundation of the Stones sound. It also explains some of the train wrecks on their 75/76 tour when Keef's heroin addiction was at its worst, because he fucked up, which caused Charlie to fuck up, and that derailed the whole thing.

    Charlie's a jazz drummer at heart, who just ended up playing for 50 years in the world's greatest rock n roll band. Probably aren't many rock drummers out there that were playing jazz first. Alex Van Halen, maybe, when he and Ed used to play with their dad as kids.

    Ironic that they're two of my favorite drummers, considering I've never been a huge fan of jazz myself.
    Thing I dig about Watts (someone else mentioned Phil Rudd, and they're exactly right) is how he serves the song first. Always has. It takes a degree of discipline to serve the song, and not use the song as a vehicle primarily for showing everyone how bitchin' of a musician one is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    In Charlie's own words, he "follows" Keith, and that's the foundation of the Stones sound. .
    It's the best dynamic. It wouldn't be the Stones without Charlie. Keith doesn't work with slouches in his solo stuff, but the groove doesn't breathe as much since the chemistry is so different.
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    Here's an example of a total wanker drummer. "Look at me! I'm a drumming god!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I've been chasing Keef's tone since 1979. It never was the Beetles for me as a kid. It was The Rolling Stones. Unless you get that tone close the Rolling Stones songs you play just sound wrong. There is only one Rolling Stones. Nobody can copy them.
    Keith staggers the beat in his rhythm playing, sometimes hitting the chord just a little bit later than anybody else would in the context of the four-count. Listening to his phrasing and dynamics is just as important as using the Fender amp. It's attention to detail. I guess the best example of this off the top of my head is the intro to Monkey Man, during and after the piano arpeggios as it builds to the main riff. Not as much what he does but how he does it. Great tension building.
    Same thing with the guitar part to Can't You Hear me Knockin with him playing slightly off the beat, but incredibly effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Here's an example of a total wanker drummer. "Look at me! I'm a drumming god!"
    Apparently he's trying to be Keith Moon.... and failing miserably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThrillsNSpills View Post
    Keith staggers the beat in his rhythm playing, sometimes hitting the chord just a little bit later than anybody else would in the context of the four-count. Listening to his phrasing and dynamics is just as important as using the Fender amp. It's attention to detail. I guess the best example of this off the top of my head is the intro to Monkey Man, during and after the piano arpeggios as it builds to the main riff. Not as much what he does but how he does it. Great tension building.
    Same thing with the guitar part to Can't You Hear me Knockin with him playing slightly off the beat, but incredibly effective.
    He also uses a different tuning and that varies for different songs. What his guitar tech was describing in the video I posted is exactly what I did. I tried to play Keef riffs in standard A 440 tuning playing to sheet music and it sounded all wrong. It sounded horrible in fact. When you think about it do you really hear cover bands playing Rolling Stones songs? I can't remember hearing any. The reason why is they can't pull it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zing! View Post
    Don't know if this has been mentioned here already, but I heard on the radio last night that the four remaining Stones are planning on meeting in the next couple of weeks to hammer out details for their 50th anniversary tour. DJ said the rumor is there will only be about 18 dates in the US. I'm thinking of taking my 9-year-old to this one, just so she can say she saw The Rolling Stones (if I can convince mom to let me spend $250 for nosebleed tickets...)
    There may be an announcement soon. I read at Shidoobee it will be an 18 date tour, multiple nights per city. As in, we go to them instead of them hitting 30 cities.

    If there is no Ohio show I will gladly go to Toronto.

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    I'm thinking the "band meeting to hammer out details" probably means: "how soon can we squeeze Ronnie dry so we can prop him up on stage?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Here's an example of a total wanker drummer. "Look at me! I'm a drumming god!"
    Thankyou for that.What a douche..
    Hell yeah im gonna check out the Stones.Are the ticketprices set?I just want to get in the building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zing! View Post
    I'm thinking the "band meeting to hammer out details" probably means: "how soon can we squeeze Ronnie dry so we can prop him up on stage?"

    I thought Ronnie was dry?His playing seems better than ever..Keef not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Here's an example of a total wanker drummer. "Look at me! I'm a drumming god!"
    I posted this a while ago in the Covers thread. This guy is just hilarious.

    I doubt he can play the drums that way for a whole 2-hour set though.
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    Keith will never ever carry on with the Stones without Ronnie - the nicest comrade in rock history, they say, and Keith always says he found what he'd been looking for with Ronnie, that guitar interaction...

    And Mick Taylor, as great a guitarist he's been with the Stones - and still is -, is a weird guy - watch him drag his 300 lb around on stage on Midnight Rambler after Jagger... who could care less...

    I saw Mick Taylor on stage in Lille (northern France) in 1999. He played slide guitar like a god, but backstage he was just awful. We were a dozen waiting for him, and none of us got a single word from him. He was pissed because he only drew 60 peeps in a 500 seat venue. I had a 15-mn chat with his rhythm guitar player from India or Pakistan, a real cool man, who I asked about their next gigs. There weren't any that were scheduled, and poor guy didn't know if there would be any at all...

    "A Stone's throw" (1998) was Taylor's second studio album in 20 years, after his 1979 solo debut.
    A fine album, despite Taylor's drawling voice, with great guitar parts.

    But Mick Taylor is such a really unpleasant, self-conceited nasty character.

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    I know it's been posted before, but just to illustrate... Notice how tight Keith and Ronnie keep together to Charlie's kit. It says a lot IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    He also uses a different tuning and that varies for different songs. What his guitar tech was describing in the video I posted is exactly what I did. I tried to play Keef riffs in standard A 440 tuning playing to sheet music and it sounded all wrong. It sounded horrible in fact. When you think about it do you really hear cover bands playing Rolling Stones songs? I can't remember hearing any. The reason why is they can't pull it off.
    I was in exactly the same quandry for years in the 1980s, where I'd try figuring out Stones tunes in standard tuning (because that was the only tuning I knew) and was never able to get them to sound right: it'd be in the right key, but the sound was off. Around the time when Steel Wheels was released, I remember a Guitar Player magazine interview where Keith talked about his tunings (the...what the fuck is it...DGDGBE...something like that), and as soon as I tuned down to that, riff after riff started sounding like they should: Brown Sugar, Start Me Up, Can't You Hear Me Knocking, etc.

    There was another variation besides the one mentioned above he mentioned in the article that unlocked the correct way to play a whole other rash of Stones tunes correctly. It was the mix of those open tunings with standard tunings used by Jones/Taylor/Wood that gave the Stones guitars that great sound. From there, I learned about that low E-string drop-D tuning Van Halen used, and all of a sudden a whole bunch of Van Halen songs that never sounded quite right when I was trying to figure them out in standard (like, the first 5 songs on Fair Warning, for starters) sounded as they should have.

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