Stop $hilling for Mick and Keith
Stop $hilling for Mick and Keith
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Fuck the Stones!: https://ultimateclassicrock.com/the-...rack-by-track/
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Get your own thread, goddamn it!
Who's Next was a great album, of course. Probably the second best album of 1971. Right behind Sticky Fingers. And the original lineup of The Who were one of the best bands ever. But they really deserve their own thread.
Hey, fuck that...Originally Posted by Nitro Express
...I like the Captain and Tenille.
Dave Grohl just bugs me. The Foo Fighters aren't even that fucking good, anyway. I'd honestly sooner listen to the Bee Gees.
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Meh.
My cd of Tattoo You that I picked up in the 1990s still sounds fine.
As for the Wembley gig, virtually all the gigs supporting the Tattoo You album sounded the same. So, between the Let's Spend The Night Together dvd, the Hampton dvd and my Seattle and Houston dvd boots I gots more than plenty 1981 Stones shows. Plus, wasn't Wembley already released on DVD? I seem to remember from watching it that the band sounded a little rusty, possibly from a slight break/layoff between the end of the US dates on the 1981 tour and the Wembley gig, which (if memory serves) was several months later.
So far, the only official DVDs from the 1981/82 tour were Hampton VA which was recorded on Keef's birthday 12/18/81. And the Roundhay Park/Leeds DVD recorded on the day before Mick's birthday 7/25/82. You might be confusing Wembley with that one. Or you might have seen a bootleg version of it... Actually I'm not sure I even have that one.... haven't dug into my Stones DVD boots for a while....
Disc 2 will have no interest as the tracks were leaked a few weeks ago (and they aren't of much interest to me BTW).
Can't wait for the Wembley concert on the contrary... It will surely feel like rediscovering Still Life, with lots of bonus tracks. They were in really great shape back then.
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I was confusing Wembley with Leeds.So far, the only official DVDs from the 1981/82 tour were Hampton VA which was recorded on Keef's birthday 12/18/81. And the Roundhay Park/Leeds DVD recorded on the day before Mick's birthday 7/25/82. You might be confusing Wembley with that one. Or you might have seen a bootleg version of it... Actually I'm not sure I even have that one.... haven't dug into my Stones DVD boots for a while....
Part of the June 26 1982 Wembley show:
FORD (08-21-2021)
Looks like they had the same film crew for both the UK shows. The camera man who really liked closeups of faces, rather than actually showing them playing their instruments. Looks they had both Bobby Keys and the other dude on saxophones. Didn't think Bobby was on that tour at all. And the European leg of the tour was the beginning of Chuck Leavell's time with the band (though he looks more like Brad Delp here) replacing Ian McLagan who played keyboards on the US tour.
So the fact that this film exists probably means they'll be putting out an official DVD of the show right around the same time.
Jérôme Frenchise (08-21-2021)
Ian Stewart was there too.
Not sure the sax on Angie was a good choice.
The complete show in Pontiac, November 30 1981, plus some 30-minute backstage footage, if you like watching Bill Wyman play ping-pong.
Dunno why there are those crappy traces on the screen though.
Wow.
Watts, DEAD.
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Charlie Watts, the Rolling Stones Drummer and Inimitable Backbone, Dead at 80
August 24, 2021 12:53PM ET
Charlie Watts, the Rolling Stones Drummer and Inimitable Backbone, Dead at 80
Rock & roll legend “passed away peacefully in a London hospital earlier [Tuesday] surrounded by his family,” according to publicist
By Joe Gross
Charles Robert “Charlie” Watts, the Rolling Stones drummer, has died. He was 80.
Watts’ publicist confirmed his death in a statement. “It is with immense sadness that we announce the death of our beloved Charlie Watts,” it read. “He passed away peacefully in a London hospital earlier today surrounded by his family.” The statement referred to Watts as “one of the greatest drummers of his generation” and closed by requesting that “the privacy of his family, band members, and close friends is respected at this difficult time.”
Watts’ death comes several weeks after it was announced that the drummer would not be able to partake in the Rolling Stones’ No Filter tour of U.S. stadiums. “Charlie has had a procedure which was completely successful, but his doctors this week concluded that he now needs proper rest and recuperation,” a rep for the band said in a statement at the time. “With rehearsals starting in a couple of weeks it’s very disappointing to say the least, but it’s also fair to say no one saw this coming.”
His light touch, singular rhythmic sense, and impeccable feel, as heard on canonical rock songs such as “Paint It, Black,” “Gimme Shelter” and “Brown Sugar,” made him both the engine that powered the Stones’ music and one of the most famous and respected drummers of all time.
As Keith Richards said in 1979, “Everybody thinks Mick and Keith are the Rolling Stones. If Charlie wasn’t doing what he’s doing on drums, that wouldn’t be true at all. You’d find out that Charlie Watts IS the Stones.”
And yet, Watts was very different than the rest of the Stones. His dapper dress sense — for which Vanity Fair elected Watts to the International Best Dressed List Hall of Fame — was ultimately more in line with the jazz he loved and sometimes played than the rock & roll. Watts also famously remained faithful to Shirley Shepherd, his wife since 1964, which set him somewhat apart from his excessive, hard-partying bandmates.
Unlike born road warriors such as Keith Richards, Watts often seemed uninterested in touring and gave the distinct impression the Stones was a job more than a calling or a lifestyle choice. His battle with drugs and alcohol in the mid-Eighties was, like many things about the man, largely private. “I’m big on letting people do what they want, which doesn’t make for good bandleaders,” he told Rolling Stone in 1991. “If I had led the Rolling Stones, they wouldn’t have gotten anywhere. We’d still be running around trying to find an amp, 30 years later.”
Watts was born June 2, 1941 in London, the son of a lorry driver. A jazz fan and 78 collector from an early age (Miles Davis, Dexter Gordon, and Charlie Parker were particular favorites), he took up the drums around age 14, sleeping in his favorite suit now and then to give it the same look as Parker’s.
Watts played in jazz combos until 1962 when he started splitting his time between playing in Alexis Korner’s Blues Incorporated and working at an ad agency graphic designer.
Watts was not the Stones’ first drummer. The band played its first gig in 1962 with the lineup of singer Mick Jagger, pianist Ian Stewart, guitarists Keith Richards and Brian Jones, bassist and future Pretty Things leader Dick Taylor, and drummer and future Kink Mick Avory.
Within months Avory was out, Watts was in and he played his first gig with the Stones on January 12, 1963, at the Ealing Blues Club. Their first single, a cover of Chuck Berry’s “Come On” was released in June 1963. “It’s All Over Now,” their first UK no. 1, arrived in June 1964. (“I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction,” driven by Watts’s relentless pound, hit No. 1 in the US in May 1965.
For all of his low-key skill behind the kit, Watts seemed well aware that he was an irreplaceable element of the Stones’ sound.
As one famous story from the band’s heyday goes, Jagger once phoned Watts’ hotel room in the midst of an all-night party asking “Where’s my drummer?” Watts reportedly got up, shaved, dressed in a suit, put on a tie and freshly shined shoes, descended the stairs, and punched Jagger in the face, saying: “Don’t ever call me your drummer again. You’re my fucking singer!”
As much as Jagger’s lyrics or Richards’ riffs, Watts’s timekeeping on key Stones songs made them key Stones songs. The loose, almost jazzy feel on “19th Nervous Breakdown,” his groove-lock with Richards on “Beasts of Burden,” his extraordinary control with a very odd rhythm on “Get Off My Cloud,” the bounce of “Jumpin’ Jack Flash,” his ice-cold snare on “Gimme Shelter” — all of these are master-classes in serving the song and shaping it at the same time.
In addition to his brilliant drumming, Watts also used his design skills to design various tour stages, including the 1975 lotus stage, the ‘89/’90 Steel Wheels tour, the Bridges to Babylon Tour, the Licks Tour, and the Bigger Bang Tour.
Away from the day job, Watts was a frequent jazz player. In 1986, he debuted the 32-piece Charlie Watts Orchestra, which was full of contemporary British jazz players. In 1991, with the Charlie Watts Quintet, he released “From One Charlie. . . .,” a tribute to Charlie Parker which included his little-seen Sixties children’s book “Ode to a Highflying Bird.”
In June 2004, Watts was diagnosed with throat cancer, which was treated and went into remission, which seemed to bring a renewed energy to the Stones, with whom Watts continued to play for his entire career.
When not playing music, Watts and his wife Shirley owned an Arabian horse farm. The couple has one daughter, Serafina, and a grandchild, Charlotte.
“I love this band, but it doesn’t mean everything to me,” Watts said in 1981. “I always think this band is going to fold up all the time — I really do. I never thought it would last five minutes, but I figured I’d live that five minutes to the hilt because I love them. I don’t care if I retire now, but I don’t know what I’d do if I stopped doing this. I’d go mad.”
Last edited by FORD; 08-24-2021 at 01:17 PM.
This fucking sucks like nothing has ever fucking sucked..... well at least not since last October.
Without Charlie, might as well say the Stones are over.
It's very surprising, as he hadn't been reported in such a bad state...
R.I.P. Mr Watts.
Last edited by Jérôme Frenchise; 08-24-2021 at 01:36 PM.
You're my fucking singer
RIP Charlie
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Mick has already started the proceedings of ways to capitalize off of his death.
Oh, and has Dave Grohl called for a press conference on saying how much this only affects him?
Von Halen (08-24-2021)
“Everybody thinks Mick and Keith are the Rolling Stones. If Charlie wasn’t doing what he’s doing on drums, that wouldn’t be true at all. You’d find out that Charlie Watts IS the Stones.” - Keef, 1979
Two words: Steve Jordan
Because Mick and Keith are just that greedy.
This guy is a total dipshit:
from Keith
FORD (08-24-2021)
Sirius Deep Tracks channel 27 will become Rolling Stones Radio
Throat cancer?
Don't be silly. No one can AFFORD Sirius
more like no one pays full price!
He had throat cancer several years ago, but last I heard, he was cancer free. The recent health situation was some sort of surgical heart procedure. Don't know the specfics, but if they originally thought he would be able to tour, maybe he had some sort of valve thing like Mick had a couple years ago, and they thought he might have a similar quick recovery. Obviously his doctors didn't think that was the case when they advised him not to tour. Who the fuck knows what happened from there? Complications from the surgery? Some sort of clotting thing? Hope to fuck he didn't pick up Covid while in the hospital, as an 80 year old man who just had surgery probably wouldn't have had the best immune system.
Can you afford a three month free trial??
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FORD (08-24-2021)
Been through free trials with those asshole mongoloids when I bought a car. If I were to get a streaming service that is overpriced it would be Tidal so I could look like a pretentious fuck.
Any-fucking-Hoo, I loved Charles' drumming on "Empty Heart" Why? Who cares?
FORD (08-24-2021),Jérôme Frenchise (08-25-2021)
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Rob Sheffield
August 24, 2021 5:18PM ET
No One Impressed Charlie Watts, Not Even the Stones
Rock’s ultimate drum god didn’t want the spotlight. He was there to do a job, which was knocking people off their feet, night after night, year after year
There will never be a world without Charlie Watts, because his backbeat changed how the world sounds. The Rolling Stones’ legendary drummer got away with nothing but boss moves, for just about 60 years. For me, the Charlie mystique is all there in his five-second drum intro from “Let It Bleed.” It’s one of the Stones’ best tunes, yet it’s nothing but the band listening to Charlie play. Mick just tries to keep up with him, while the guitars try to keep up with Mick, but Charlie is the guy everybody else is working hard to impress. He made the Stones great by conceding nothing to them.
The other Stones found Charlie impossible to dazzle. Charlie wasn’t even impressed by himself, let alone his bandmates. Keith told Rolling Stone in his 1981 cover story, “As far as I’m concerned, I’d just say that I’m continually thankful — and more so as we go along — that we have Charlie Watts sittin’ there, you know? He’s the guy who doesn’t believe it, because he’s like that.” The interviewer finds it hard to believe. But Keith insists, “There’s nothing forced about Charlie, least of all his modesty. It’s totally real. He cannot understand what people see in his drumming.”
Charlie is why you still hear “Start Me Up” on the radio, and why it never gets faded out early, even though the ending is Mick yelling, “You made a dead man come!” Nobody notices the dirty words, because you can’t take your ears off Charlie, and he’s driving every second of the groove to the final seconds. (As far as some fans are concerned, there are certain Stones recordings where making dead men come is Charlie’s job description.)
He died on the 40th anniversary of Tattoo You, the Stones’ 1981 mall-rat classic. For Eighties kids, the Tattoo You Charlie was the one we grew up with — keeping his stone face in the videos for “Start Me Up” and “Hang Fire,” utterly unfazed by the rock stars posing up front. At one point, he shakes his head in bemusement at Mick’s dancing. He was a no-bullshit non-rock star, holding it down behind the Glimmer Twins.
The glamorous life meant nothing to him. His marriage to Shirley lasted longer than the combined marriages of most bands. Charlie took pride in being a jazz fan, not a rock fan. “It’s dance music,” he told Rolling Stone in 1978. “But it hasn’t really progressed musically. Progression was Miles Davis playing modals. You can’t do that in rock. Progression was Coltrane, but you can’t do that in rock.” It was only rock & roll. But he liked it, yes he did. “Heavy backbeat, that’s what it is. That’s what the Beatles did and that’s what we did.”
Rolling Stone’s great Chet Flippo followed the band on their epic Seventies tours, so he got an inside look at Charlie on the road, as chronicled in his classic It’s Only Rock & Roll. Brace yourself for a typical decadent scene from the 1978 tour: “The Watts family sat down with me. Shirley tried a screwdriver for the first time. Seraphina [their young daughter] was reading a paperback of Jaws 2. ‘I was against it,’ said Shirley, ‘but you have to let them do these things.’”
Tattoo You is a perfect Charlie record — even when the song is nothing but Charlie motorvating forward, he takes care of business. “Neighbours” is a great example of a fantastic song where everyone breaks a sweat keeping up with Charlie. When Sonny Rollins steps in for his sax solo, it’s one of the only moments where you can almost hear Charlie blink in surprise.
One of my favorite Charlie records is Their Satanic Majesties Request, just because he’s often the only one in the band playing rock & roll. While the Stones dabble in psychedelic drivel (this is the album where Mick wears a wizard hat on the cover), Charlie keeps blasting everyone forward, as in “Citadel” or “2000 Light Years From Home.” He made sure the flower-child Stones wouldn’t get lost in the incense — like when he slams into the chorus of “Dandelion.”
I saw a couple shows on the Stones’ 2019 tour, and Charlie was an absolute monster to the end. He made every night’s “Midnight Rambler” an epic, though the song doesn’t begin to happen without him. (As with a lot of Stones songs, Charlie is the reason nobody else would dream of covering it.) Watching Mick Jagger and Ron Wood run all over the stadium, I could see why they were there. Keith Richards hitting his riffs, anchored by the drum kit — easy to see why he was there. But Charlie was the one I couldn’t figure out. Why was he still pushing himself so hard? Why was he even doing this? The answer came during “Midnight Rambler.” It was his groove, and he couldn’t walk away from it.
At every show, there was that moment where it was just the four of them on the lip of the stage, stripped down to a raw quartet. Nobody to hide behind, answering to nobody but Charlie. It was a moment where an entire stadium could sense it: For the other three, Charlie was the man whose standards they had to meet.
There are entire Stones albums — Black and Blue comes to mind, so does Emotional Rescue — where the concept is the Stones just listening to Charlie play. That’s enough concept for any album. That’s why Charlie was the ultimate rock & roll drum god. Keith Moon and John Bonham were street brawlers, but Charlie was the silent hit man you’d never notice until he put you away. He didn’t want the spotlight. He was there to do a job, which was knocking people off their feet, night after night, year after year.
We could talk all day about “Connection” or “Sympathy for the Devil.” Or “Let Me Go” or “Dirty Work” or “Rocks Off” or “Stray Cat Blues” or “Ride On Baby.” But let’s send him off with the Exile version of Slim Harpo’s “Shake Your Hips.” Charlie simmers, refusing to let the band break loose, until that one moment at the 55-second point where he gives up one shattering “bop!” And then goes back to his simmer.
That’s the moment you realize: Charlie was the only one on earth that the Stones took orders from, for 58 years. Here’s to the drummer who made them the World’s Greatest Rock & Roll Band. Ride on forever, Charlie Watts.
Jérôme Frenchise (08-25-2021)
Always hated the thermal camera gimmick, but some of Charlie's best work here....
I searched for other footage from the Montreux rehearsals and found a few more vids. They're really great!
There are four key Stones master tracks that Charlie did not play on.
1. Tumblin' Dice - Jimmy Miller
2. You Can't Always Get What You Want - Jimmy Miller
3. Happy - Jimmy Miller
4. It's Only Rock & Roll - Kenny Jones
See? Charlie is easily replaceable.
Nickdfresh (08-25-2021)
Charlie actually HATED Jimmy Miller's drums on You Can't Always Get What You Want. That's why they only played it once - at the Rock n Roll Circus in December 1968. And then not again until the 1972 tour. By which time the song had been completely restructured around Charlie's own jazzy drum part. And of course, a long Mick Taylor guitar solo....
This was definitely the best version of the song. Even when Woody joined the band, they pretty much kept this arrangement of the song in the set list up through the 1981/82 tour.
Oh, and you see this cocksucker right here?
"I blew Rich and Chris Robinson at the same time."
The only good shit about him is that he knew when to call it quits when the drummer bought a farm. Word to the motherfucker on that one. Schleppy were a monstrosity. Mick and Keith should do the right thing as well. Who knows, in 20 years time Mick and Keith can join the now reformed Black Crowes.
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