"Rainbow Rising"vs"Heaven and hell"vs"Holy diver"

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Bootyac
I liked the Speak of the devil album..

I still dont know why Brad Gillis left Ozzy for freakin Nightranger of all bands

I also think that Jake E.Lee is a very under-rated axeman

I love that album as well.

Gillis really burns it up.

It`s just Ozzy`s singing on some numbers, which is wierd considering it`s obviously overdubbed and multitracked.

[Bootyac]

dont know if you have saw it,but there is a video from that tour where he sings his songs (if you remember on the album its only sabbath songs)

Its a pretty good video,Ozzy sounds ok to me..

I dunno,I saw Ozzy with Metallica many many years ago at the Cow Palace in like shit 83?His voice went out and Jake sang for the most part

[roryrobson666]

These albums fuckin rock.....neon knights on heven and hell rocks......but i love holy diver too......vivian campbell rules, but overall rainbow rising kills, YEEHAHH!!!!

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by roryrobson666
These albums fuckin rock.....neon knights on heven and hell rocks......but i love holy diver too......vivian campbell rules, but overall rainbow rising kills, YEEHAHH!!!!

Only six songs, but they're brilliant...

[GreenBayLA]

Never mind Freddie vs Dio.

Freddie never made a truely flawless classic album while Dio has appeared on three.

R U referring to Freddie Mercury or ??

Rainbow Rising is top notch but Sabbath's Heaven and Hell gets the nod in my book. Don't know if I ever heard Holy Diver, maybe when it came out. Not a Dio (the band) fan.
Countdown til some Graham Bonnet fan comes out of the woodwork...

[Hellraiser!!]

All those 3 albums are fantastic....but Heaven and Hell wins, followed by Rainbow Rising, then Holy Diver!!!

Neon Knights, Heaven and Hell, CHildren of the sea, Die Young, Lady Evil, Lonely is the word...damn, this disc is perfect!!

[WACF]

Cool old thread.

I would have to go with Heaven and Hell...with Rainbow Rising very close(should be required listening for any 70's hard rock fan)...then Holy Diver.

Stargazer...one of my all time favorite songs...ever...

Since Graham Bonnet was mentioned...I don't mind hearing his stuff with Rainbow on radio but Hiroshima mon amour pretty much destroyed my liking of anything Bonnet...I fucking hate that song...the only decent thing on it is Yngwie.

[Coyote]

I'll go with "Rising".

[Terry]

Hell, the only decent thing about Bonnet was the guitarists he hooked up with...

As for the Ozzy live concert footage that came out and was played on MTV around the time of the Speak Of The Devil tour, Ozzy overdubbed vocals on top of the original live tracks on that, as well.

[bueno bob]

Hell, the only decent thing about Bonnet was the guitarists he hooked up with...

THANK YOU.

I get so fucking irked at people who think Graham Bonnet is some kind of fucking legend...the asshole sounds more constipated than Hagar when he's trying to hit high notes that he's obviously not suited for; metal isn't even his style of music, for shit's sake, and he's been swinging from the nutsack of ONE Rainbow album ever since 1979.

He's obviously impossible to work with, too...Blackmore? One album. Schenker? One album. Malmsteen? One album. Vai? One album. You could put a loaded gun to his temple and he STILL couldn't keep a lineup together.

And NOW his latest trick is to take his solo band of nobodys and call them "Alcatrazz"? Fucking PUH-LEASE. I hope Waldo, Uvena, and Shea manage to sue the fucking SHIT out of him and put him into the poorhouse, he absolutely fucking deserves it. Only thing worthwhile about Alcatrazz was introducing Malmsteen to the masses, anyway...Christ...

And yet there are Rainbow fans out there that consider him "legendary" in the music industry.

FOR WHAT? Since You've Been Gone and All Night Long? What solo work has he done that has left ANY impact whatsoever beyond the influence his guitarist made at the time?

Nothing.

[GAR]

I'll go with "Rising".

Now this is one of the most perfect , classic heavy metal albums of all time.

Lyrically, songlisting, artwork.. one of the most cohesive vinyls ever made, it holds its ground against almost any other album made by a major label, the production is impeccable.

I can find lots of fault with Sabbath, mainly because they were considered a novelty act, so granted, they didn't get the necessary developmental time needed in the studio the way Ritchie could just demand X number days.

It's the kind of recording you listen to 100 times after you "discover" it and get into, afterwhich you find all kinds of different things going on in the music. The synthesizers, of all those classic analogue tones there's not one cheesy keyboard in there, and none of them clash with Ritchie's considerably clean-by-todays' standards guitar tone.. the drummer was the best rock drummer ever born practically.

The "less is more" adage comes into play here with this one, there's spatialization, there's room effect, a symphony orchestra going on long before the Bach-Rock fad came and went. Except Blackmore gets it right, not sloppy, not overboard, and doesn't overplay against it.

GRATE album, a masterpiece. It was like Ritchie's "Women and Children First" in many ways!

[Mr. Vengeance]

Heaven and Hell, without a doubt. It's hard to find many metal albums to compare to it. In a class with only a handful of others.

[Panamark]

Holy Diver.... Only because I didnt hear Heaven and Hell
for a few years after Holy Diver. HD was well entrenched in
my brain by that time. I also saw the Viv Campbell / DIO band live
performing it. My group of metalhead mates kinda defined Ozzy/Sabbath
as the only version of Sabbath out there, and DIO in his
own special class.. We liked both individually but all the
crossover stuff was ignored.

Which is cool as I got to hear some gems later on..
I thought Gillan/Sabbath was Ok too...

I must give Rainbow Rising another listen, as GAR said
"after you discover it" well, I've listened to it in the past,
think its good, but I dont feel any special discovery...
Time for another spin.... I seem to respect Ritchie Blackmore's
Rock work more and more as I get older for some bizzarre reason...

he can ram that minstrel jester band up his clacker though !

[binnie]

Three certifiable classics.

A tough call, but Rainbow Rising edges it. The energy on that album is staggering.

[Atomic_Rob]

Still hating the Dio

[FORD]

I don't compare the Ozzy & Dio years against each other. As far as I'm concerned, it was two different bands.

Just like Van HALEN and Van Hagar. Except Sabbath w/Dio weren't cheese ballad spewing pussies.

[bueno bob]

I don't compare the Ozzy & Dio years against each other. As far as I'm concerned, it was two different bands.

Just like Van HALEN and Van Hagar. Except Sabbath w/Dio weren't cheese ballad spewing pussies.

Tony Iommi could do an album of disco scratch and country ballads and it would still be heavier than 90% of anything else out there...

[katie]

Rising.

Awesome quad drum brakes from Cozy all the way through.

Great songs, great production, great mix.

Awesome hard rock album.

[scottd1984]

I don't compare the Ozzy & Dio years against each other. As far as I'm concerned, it was two different bands.

Just like Van HALEN and Van Hagar. Except Sabbath w/Dio weren't cheese ballad spewing pussies.

And Geezer owns Mikey !!! For that matter Ronnie's in a whole other class than Spammy

[scottd1984]

It's a tough call, but I'll take Heaven & Hell. But Rising is a good runner up Ronnie,Ritchie and Cozy were an unbeatable team together.

[Andy Taylor]

Still hating the Dio

I've always hated Dio but I can manage to hear him on the first two Rainbow albums a couple on the first two Sabbath and the Dehumanizer album which I love. Holy Cheddar is pure awful crap.

[VHscraps]

Not a Graham Bonnet fan - that SChenker album was dreck. I think he skipped out of the MSG band just before they were due to go on tour - waaaaaaaay back in the 80s. But, all that said, couldn't resist this clip below - Bonnet in 1968. This is the song that got him the Rainbow gig. Blackmore remembered it and rescued him from oblivion - a place that he has since returned. These were the Marbles doing 'Only One Woman' (a song written by those Gibb brothers of the Bee Gees) - it was a big hit in Australia in '68. I assume that this is where the clip is from - Oz TV.

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[ELVIS]

Wow, Graham Bonnet sounds good in that clip...

[kissfan1976]

"It Goes On And On And On,It's Heaven And Hell."

[Green Manalishi]

I dig just about anything DIO regardless of which band / lineup , etc . however , I'm rather partial to the Heaven & Hell / Mob Rules / Live Evil era .

I saw Heaven And Hell right about two years ago and I thought they were fantastic ! Who would have guessed the inevitable .

DIO trivia that I heard from the man himself in a radio interview many years ago : He said that he purposely sings

, writes in a lyric , titles a song , or somehow incorporates onto the album cover the actual word " Rainbow "

at least once on every release that he has ever recorded regardless since the very first Ritchie Blackmores Rainbow

album in 1975 .

[ELVIS]

Heaven And Hell

Holy Diver

Rising

[ELVIS]

Rising has some boring extended jams...

[78/84 guy]

Heaven & Hell & Mob Rules are so good I don't even own the other two. They might make my top 10 heavy metal album's of all time. H & H sure is !!

[big fatty]

HEAVEN AND HELL Hard for any of them to top that one.

RAINBOW's Long Live Rock and Roll is actually my favorite from them, mainly because of, KILL THE KING.

It's such a shame that DIO and Cozy Powell passed on, they were awesome.

[binnie]

'Rising' - few things come close: a perfect blend of rock, metal, prog and emotion.

'Holy Diver' - dark and a lot of fun at the same time; people often think that Dio was a one trick pony, but every song here is very distinct.

'Heaven & Hell' - majestic and powerful for sure, but I'm not sure its as consistently 'killer' as the above 2. 90% killer rather than 100%.

Now if the choice was 'Paranoid', 'Sabotage' and 'Blizzard of Ozz' I'd have to go away and agonize over it.......

[bueno bob]

'Rising' - few things come close: a perfect blend of rock, metal, prog and emotion.

'Holy Diver' - dark and a lot of fun at the same time; people often think that Dio was a one trick pony, but every song here is very distinct.

'Heaven & Hell' - majestic and powerful for sure, but I'm not sure its as consistently 'killer' as the above 2. 90% killer rather than 100%.

Now if the choice was 'Paranoid', 'Sabotage' and 'Blizzard of Ozz' I'd have to go away and agonize over it.......

Let me make it easy for you:

Sabotage
Paranoid
Blizzard

See? Easy.

[binnie]

I dunno Bob.

The older I get, the more I seem to appreciate 'Paranoid'.........and 'Blizzard' was a transformative record for guitar and metal (although I'd say it hasn't aged as well as the other two).

Damn it, now I'm agonising over it!

[lesfunk]

Let me make it easy for you:

Sabotage
Paranoid
Blizzard



See? Easy.

Not that easy for me. I would say:
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Sabotage
Then maybe Blizzard