The Official European Football Thread

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by jero
Why does everybody hates us so much? Is it that becuase we're always the best team? The animal that makes the most noise...? Or something?

we DON'T need to make any noise...WE are in the next round!!! it's just because you think you are favorites per se...and your players are arrogant assholes very often and no fair sportsmen like this fuckface who should never be allowed on any football place after that...

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[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by jero
You're right dude. But I think it's better for you just to stay relaxed, but most of all to be quiet, because after you loose against Argetina you know I will kick the ball right back at you! And it will be a lot harder fag!

kick whatever you want...you were out before us and that's all...and losing against argentina is one thing...losing against portugal...well...

[jero]

Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
kick whatever you want...you were out before us and that's all...and losing against argentina is one thing...losing against portugal...well...

We didn't lose against Argentina! We only lost one time against the fags, but that was a game that didn't matter.....

[jero]

Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
we DON'T need to make any noise...WE are in the next round!!! it's just because you think you are favorites per se...and your players are arrogant assholes very often and no fair sportsmen like this fuckface who should never be allowed on any football place after that...

Now Dirk, you know I respect you a lot, but don't you even dare to say that our players are unfair! Have you seen your team of actors the last three decades? Common Dave gimme a break!

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by jero
Why does everybody hates us so much? Is it that becuase we're always the best team? The animal that makes the most noise...? Or something?

I thought it was just the Germans that hate you.

[jero]

And even that I really don't understand why? We always let them win, we feel sorry for the fact that they lost some game a couple of years ago!

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by jero
Now Dirk, you know I respect you a lot, but don't you even dare to say that our players are unfair! Have you seen your team of actors the last three decades? Common Dave gimme a break!

show me ONE player who wiped his ass with his opponents' shirt or split another one on the back of his head...this is the lowest you can get...sorry....

[Seshmeister]

Thats true but in his defence it was Rudi Völler's hair he was spitting on.

It probably improved it.

[Seshmeister]

http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=1139&postid=69881

Germany's real arch-rivals?
Uli Hesse-Lichtenberger



If you're English and reading this, I have awful news for you: the Germans don't hate you. They don't even dislike you. They don't even think it's unusually important to beat your teams at football.

When Aberdeen played Hertha in Berlin, their division of the Tartan Army sang 'We hate England more than you'. That confused me, because I wasn't aware that the Scots nurture a particular aversion to Germans. Then I realised I had got the chant wrong.


I thought it was meant to mean 'We hate England (even) more than we hate you', when in fact what they were saying was: 'We hate England more than you do'.

Sorry, Dons, bad news for you, too: we do not hate the English. In September 2001, I was in Munich for that now-legendary World Cup qualifier between Germany and 'In-ger-lund', on an assigment from a London magazine. The idea was to probe into the 'intense rivalry' by getting the supporters to explain why the match was so important.

Most of the English fans I spoke to admitted that playing Germany was indeed something special because of the war and a couple of other things, such as... well, the war. (My personal highlight of that day was the elderly lady who told me she had nothing against younger-generation Germans. Two minutes later a young and gruff waitress behaved quite rudely, whereupon the lady hissed at her: 'Thanks very much for being so German!')

The German fans, on the other hand, all gave me a blank stare. 'Rivalry? What nonsense!' Christian from Ulm said, speaking for the vast majority. 'Actually, I'd rather lose against England than against any other team.' He then went on to explain that Germans admire England's football culture and how every true German fan has an English club he supports.

I pointed out that it seems to be Liverpool for most people who are in their forties, due to those epic games against Mönchengladbach in the 1970s.

Then I said that I was younger and a Nottingham Forest buff. 'Well, you can't always win,' Christian said. Now, why have I chosen this topic of hostility? It's like this: I spent New Year's Eve on the Dutch coast, drinking Dutch beer ('Brand', if you're interested, much better than Heineken), wearing my SC Heerenveen shirt and reading Simon Kuper's new book 'Ajax, the Dutch, the War'.

Kuper lived in Holland during his youth, where he learned that every Dutchman fought in the Resistance and gave shelter to Jews during the occupation, thus earning the country the moral right to forever despise all things German.

Many years later Kuper went back to examine the truthfulness of this story by having a close look at how football players and teams spent the war years. I delved into his book with great enthusiasm, because it was obviously going to debunk the myth of Dutch inviolability in terms of morals. It's not that I hate the Dutch, far from it and Amsterdam is one of my two favourite cities.

However, as a German, you can never quite shed the feeling that the Dutch are looking down on you. Even my Dutch friends regularly make jokes about goose-stepping or whatever. Maybe I should have taken it as a sign that they considered me un-German enough to not feel offended, but still... it's this Dutch snootiness that has turned our meetings with Holland into the biggest grudge match we have.

Oh, there used to be other rivalries. Initially, of course, there was France: Germany had played Italy four times, England five times, Sweden eight times and Switzerland sixteen times before the first-ever Germany v France match could even get off the ground, such were the hostilities.

Later, our relationship with the French improved so much that not even Harald Schumacher's attempt to kill Patrick Battiston could ruin it.

That pretty much left Germans with Austria as the only team they felt they mustn't lose to - until that shameful match at the 1982 World Cup when the players conspired to make clear that going through was more important than mutual aversion.

Then the Dutch stepped into this void. Wim van Hanegem said: 'Every time I played against Germans I had a problem because of the war.'


Johnny Rep hit Schumacher. Ronald Koeman wiped his backside with Olaf Thon's shirt. Frank Rijkaard spat at Rudi Völler. That rankled with the Germans, because it was different from childish Bomber Harris impersonations: it was a display of contempt borne out of a feeling of superiority.

You can't say Germans didn't readily agree to having a new rivalry: when Holland failed to qualify for the 2002 World Cup, there was even a German website where you could throw spliffs and tulips at Dutch players.

So I started Kuper's book with eagerness, hoping he would help to knock the Dutch off their pedestal. Boy, did he comply. And yet I never felt a tinge of satisfaction. 'Ajax, the Dutch, the War' is probably the most painful, bleakest football book I've ever read, all the more so as Kuper also overthrows a few English illusions so nonchalantly that you sense he could easily have been more severe.

When I got to the part where he travels to Israel and has all these people telling him that they support Ajax and the Holland side because the Dutch helped the Jews so much, I found myself hoping Kuper would not tell them the truth, briefly thinking: 'Let people keep their myths and sneer at Germans, we can live with it.' But that was dumb, of course.

The book isn't aimed at Germans. It's aimed at people who use myths to justify things such as, well, football hostilities. Give it a read; it's more demanding than the latest Man Utd hagiography but also more rewarding

[DavidLeeNatra]

FUCK ITALY...FUCK THEM!!!! will you never ever complain again about a german diver!!! screwing the aussies with such a joke of a penalty!!! they should be cursed forever for that shitty behavior...

[Wawazat]

Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
FUCK ITALY...FUCK THEM!!!! will you never ever complain again about a german diver!!! screwing the aussies with such a joke of a penalty!!! they should be cursed forever for that shitty behavior...

fucking amen

[Wawazat]

what poji said:

i´m liking this futbol more and more

[Jérôme Frenchise]

GO THE YELLOW !!

Originally posted by Wawazat

Mmh? :confused:

Originally posted by Wawazat

Er!... GO THE RED !!

:confused: Er... GO THE REDLOW !!

[Wawazat]

Tomorrow´s Party

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Damn this fucking sport!

There was NO penalty kick in the end of Italy-Australia! I've just seen the replay... Dammit!

May the ref and all those fags who still keep video from football stadiums agonize in abominable pains!