Introducing The Amazing Penta-lawn 2000!!!

[Nickdfresh]

This is all just conjecture, and faulty logical comparisons...

And example would be the "a plane could never disappear" inside the Pentagon hole (which is clearly bigger than what the narrator states in the "documentary"). Of course, jets frequently disintegrate and "disappear" on impact... (See photos from Value Jet FL 592 for instance)

What he leaves out is that the Greek flight steward with pilot training was trying to put the plane down, but ran out of fuel, so the plane didn't hit dead on.

Or the fact that the pilot that flew into the Pentagon orbited DC numerous times trying to find the White House. I seriously doubt he executed a sharp turn as stated...

[thome]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
I cun't help butt think dat a mman who spews f4orth da virtues aff war, and ya cun't stop wars, and wars are all da 'same', doon't deserve t2o git his head blow fakkig OFF!

"sIXtieS meNatLity?" Dude, yer bio says yer 40 fakking 5 (45). Yoo didn't serve in ANY war thanks t2o dat "sixties mentality".

FORD, you better ban this guy 'thome' f4or trolling and/or "stupidity" or I may never post here again...tit's not worth it (posting) with dis kinda garbage.

Dude, why don't you go t2o sum pumped up, brianwashed GI Website where the geeks on those boards will welcome your simple explanations f4or their deaths, wounds, service, bad pay (but they got those college benefits, babyee), and crumbling country at home.

It's o1ne thing t2o have free speech and another point of view, but yoo're just STUPID!

"Let's play fun time..." Yeh, let's play da fun time when American 'insurgents' meet yoo in da street and blow yer fakking head aff wit da new civil "war". Hey, aff yer 45 and yoo never served in Vietnam or any 'war' dis can be YER 'war', baybee.

Tit's good f4or yoo t2o remind mme daily yer out there so I keep mmy carbine polished and ready.

Your last sentence proves my point you would kill me for the thought that war is a natural occurence in the Human Condition

Just remember peace queer i have just enough ammo to blow your head off at 500 yards and steal your out of date short range carbine...silly man.

askin to ban me when your general post thought is strangely sadistic
all of them.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I seriously doubt he executed a sharp turn as stated...

No, it's not even physically possible. The aviation experts they spoke with said a fighter plane would have a hard time pulling it off, and a commercial airliner would have broken apart in mid-air attempting such a maneuver. An unmanned drone though....hmmmm

Truth is, we'll probably never know...but are you willing to accept W's version of events without even a LITTLE skepticism? Question EVERYTHING.

[thome]

Originally posted by jhale667
No, it's not even physically possible. The aviation experts they spoke with said a fighter plane would have a hard time pulling it off, and a commercial airliner would have broken apart in mid-air attempting such a maneuver. An unmanned drone though....hmmmm

Truth is, we'll probably never know...but are you willing to accept W's version of events without even a LITTLE skepticism? Question EVERYTHING.

I believe in questioning everthing but do you all think its that hard to pull this off is it totaly impossible to do what was done .

Is their a time when you can say i am open to diff ideas but
i watched it happen on tv the planes were hijacked and flown into
these four places.

I would consider Bush hired these dudes to do this conspiracy
alot easier than it was not a airplane that i saw.

And as for Bush hired these dudes there are enough crazies in the world and individuals that hate one and another and us to worry
about setting up this to stimulate a war. Wait long enough and history will happen again .as in I dont have to hire someone to rob my place
of business to collect insurance some asshole will come by soon
enough.Shoot me in the face and take everthing i have.

just a dose of reality....

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by thome


just a dose of reality....

Oh, the irony......

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by thome
I believe in questioning everthing but do you all think its that hard to pull this off is it totaly impossible to do what was done .
.

Is English your first language?

Nevermind.....

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by jhale667


Truth is, we'll probably never know...but are you willing to accept W's version of events without even a LITTLE skepticism? Question EVERYTHING.

Exactly.

Their credibility has eroded so much over the last 5 years I wouldn't trust anything that comes from this administration.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker


FORD, you better ban this guy 'thome' f4or trolling and/or "stupidity" or I may never post here again...tit's not worth it (posting) with dis kinda garbage.

You know damn well I can't ban anybody, Phil.

But I'd kill for a troll filter. Confine them to the dump or the Sheep Pen or something.

[FORD]

Originally posted by thome


Is their a time when you can say i am open to diff ideas but
i watched it happen on tv the planes were hijacked and flown into
these four places.

I would consider Bush hired these dudes to do this conspiracy
alot easier than it was not a airplane that i saw.

You saw ONE airplane, not four. And eyewitnesses said it was not a passenger plane, but a cargo jet with no windows. Forget what the media whores tell you. Look at the FACTS, not the spin.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by FORD
You saw ONE airplane, not four.

By that time of the morning he was well into his second 18 pack of Schmidts.

I don't doubt he saw FOUR pink airplanes by then....

[thome]

Originally posted by FORD
You know damn well I can't ban anybody, Phil.

But I'd kill for a troll filter. Confine them to the dump or the Sheep Pen or something.

Ford what's a troll,? Is it possible to be one and be a moderator also.?

Is calling someone a troll some kind of insult, cause i just don't feel it,
i feel as tho you are calling me slang names in order to hurt my feelings, that hasn't worked since 1st grade.

Or is cussing at someone explain or excuse you from posting real
words on the subject presented.?

Seems like your partner in Miss- Information lounge is guilty of this
na nany boo boo stinky butt cry baby BS also.

I cracked myself up there..!

My middle name --- thome-born to piss people off -&(^(&&*//

or is thome speak w true tongue not spell so good-)&*T%%(//

[thome]

Originally posted by FORD
You saw ONE airplane, not four. And eyewitnesses said it was not a passenger plane, but a cargo jet with no windows. Forget what the media whores tell you. Look at the FACTS, not the spin.

Ford are you going to tell me where this mistery plane came from and then tell me where the other plane the one that was supposed to hit the pentagon went every single plane in the whole of the airspace
above america was landed in three hrs .

are you telling me every airtraffic controller in 3000 plus control
buildings missed where this plane flew off to so the fake one could
fly into the pentagon.

Dude you are a Intelligent Man in some sense of the word but
baiting us with your wild antics and silly retoric is just not always
fun.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
So if a cruise missile hit the Pentagon what happened to Suzanne?

Sesh, yoo're kewl enuff t2o respond T2O!

Nobody knows what happened t2o passengers and nobody has all the answers. All we have in the Loose Change film that is being discussed here are other facts about occurrences not answered in the 'official 9/11 report'.

And where are the court trials f4or thousands of 'murdered' and 'missing persons' in many numerous jurisdictions? Not one? huh

Whatever happened t2o criminal indictments through the courts anywhere where all of the evidence can be admitted int2o the American (and world) public domain & record f4or the pubic pursuit of justice f4or these tall historic crimes? huh They had a trial f4or Lincoln's murder, but not f4or the NWO hit on JFK.

James Brown sang Living In America, but we've been living in the NWO since the JFK assassination and earlier.

I'm in America and I can't tell you why there are no criminal indictments f4or 9/11 in the courts, or t2o tell you where any 'missing persons' may be. It is enough t2o digest the rest, like that little hole in the wall at the Pentagon says something is not logical about this story.

I can only tell you that these are the many major reasons that my country will be going int2o a civil war over very soon, like a rock rolling down a hill. It will be 'global' in it's ripples unless you do something in your house about getting rid of Blair and the next NWO Blair.

I mean, isn't it obvious that in the 'UK' whether or not they are liberal or cuntservative they are just like the libs and neocunts in America, they're all NWO. All of them.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by thome
Ford are you going to tell me where this mistery plane came from and then tell me where the other plane the one that was supposed to hit the pentagon went every single plane in the whole of the airspace
above america was landed in three hrs .

are you telling me every airtraffic controller in 3000 plus control
buildings missed where this plane flew off to so the fake one could
fly into the pentagon.

Dude you are a Intelligent Man in some sense of the word but
baiting us with your wild antics and silly retoric is just not always
fun.

And, thome...you shut UP!

[Guitar Shark]

See the actual videos of the Twin Towers crashes here.

http://www.twin-towers.net/tt_video.htm

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by thome
Your last sentence proves my point you would kill me for the thought that war is a natural occurence in the Human Condition

Just remember peace queer i have just enough ammo to blow your head off at 500 yards and steal your out of date short range carbine...silly man.

askin to ban me when your general post thought is strangely sadistic
all of them.

No, it doesn't prove your superficial point. I will kill if provoked to survive. That is what is natural. Survival in evolution is what's natural not wars. The war you love and defend so much in Iraq with your shallow 'theory' wasn't provoked. It's not a 'natural' war. It's not about survival. It's not a 'legal' war.

Just because U.S. and foreign troops 'of the willing' are there doesn't make it legal. And, the world corrects itself often of these things such as it will with this illegal war in Iraq. You'll have to pay for this war in Iraq in more ways than you can think of, and it's gonna harm, destroy, and kill a lot of people, maybe even YOU!

And, if you call me a name again you will have provoked the wrong 'old-timer' and his 'old' carbine. Ask 'old' man Joe Rogan (we're supreme friends now). hahaha

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
See the actual videos of the Twin Towers crashes here.

http://www.twin-towers.net/tt_video.htm

Yeah, now there's a site with unimpeachable credibility......



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[Guitar Shark]

LOL, where is that from?

The videotapes on the site are clearly copies of the CNN videos we all saw on TV in the days after 9/11.

[Phil theStalker]

MMMy old FRIENDS!

Hey, thome...feeling lucky?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
LOL, where is that from?

The videotapes on the site are clearly copies of the CNN videos we all saw on TV in the days after 9/11.

Those are all links from the same site.

They also have the "real" videos of the real Blackwater contractors slicing off those poor saps heads who were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Not exactly a model of journalistic standards.....

[Guitar Shark]

I don't care what site is hosting them now; they're the original videos and are the same exact ones I remember seeing over and over.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
well, i too, have had a modicum of legal training,

My condolences...

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
I don't care what site is hosting them now; they're the original videos and are the same exact ones I remember seeing over and over.

And isn't it funny that none of the other footage was ever seen "over and over" after September 12, 2001?

In fact, most people out in red state land probably aren't even aware that the wall of the Pentagon remained mostly intact after it was hit by....... whatever the fuck it was that left the 15' wide hole and no lawn damage.

They believe the falsehood that the plane caused the collapsed wall (directly), and that the dumptrucks brought in the sand and gravel to fill a burning crater on the lawn. Because that is the myth spread by the right wing propagandists.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
And isn't it funny that none of the other footage was ever seen "over and over" after September 12, 2001?

In fact, most people out in red state land probably aren't even aware that the wall of the Pentagon remained mostly intact after it was hit by....... whatever the fuck it was that left the 15' wide hole and no lawn damage.

They believe the falsehood that the plane caused the collapsed wall (directly), and that the dumptrucks brought in the sand and gravel to fill a burning crater on the lawn. Because that is the myth spread by the right wing propagandists.

I know for a fact that those videos were archived on CNN's website for months and perhaps years after 9/11, because I watched them from time to time, primarily after you started spouting conspiracy theories about missiles and controlled demolitions.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
I know for a fact that those videos were archived on CNN's website for months and perhaps years after 9/11, because I watched them from time to time, primarily after you started spouting conspiracy theories about missiles and controlled demolitions.

Yes, the plane crash videos were. But CNN doesn't have an available video of the Pentagon's wall still standing. And they obviously don't have one of the alleged plane crash at the Pentagon.

I doubt they even have the towers collapsing anymore, since they are so obviously a controlled demolition.

[thome]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
MMMy old FRIENDS!

Hey, thome...feeling lucky?

i do feel lucky creeper

You carry those while you peek in the neighbor ladies window, stalker
man

Nice collection of 1935 state of the art weapons I have a compound Bow that i guarantee could remove your hand from the trigger of any one of those 15 pound weapons .

Pissing contest aside i see your point only thing is i just see no logic.

"It's not a 'natural' war. It's not about survival. It's not a 'legal' war."

You tell of me one war that made a legal statement and i'll prove you wrong.
There is no legal war . Your idea of rite and wrong doesn't prove the
legality either does mine. The truth of the matter is you are a war
monger of the 1st degree but only when you deem it necessary.

Yes i have been in combat as per your earlier statement ,combat
against people who are blind to the reality ,That freedom comes
at the price of the ones who are willing to defend this place
from the ones who would attempt to undermine the reality and the truth
and attempt to rewrite history and confuse questioning people
with lies and falsehoods .

I hope you also have some pictures of some rounds to fill those M1s

[thome]

And to whoever made the statement of watch the film with an open mind Jim Jones asked that of people too and numerous others.

Hey how about this why don't you try to live in the reality of what
happened instead OF A FUKKIN MOVIE MADE SO SOME douche BAG SO
HE
CAN BUY A NEW POOL.............. DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!!

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by thome
You tell of me one war that made a legal statement and i'll prove you wrong.

I don't have the time. I said it last year. It's later than you...it's t2oo LATE!

[jhale667]

Originally posted by thome
And to whoever made the statement of watch the film with an open mind Jim Jones asked that of people too and numerous others.

That's just a stupid analogy, dude...I'm sure Hitler asked people to keep an open mind about his genocidal bullshit, too. But you seem all too willing to drink W.'s Kool-aid....

But are we REALLY supposed to belive a commercial airliner crashed into a building and only left a 15ft hole, leaving no trace of wing sections and whatnot---when two others MANAGED TO COLLAPSE TWO 100+ STORY BUILDINGS, plus another one in that compound that wasn't even HIT? Please....explain that one...

[diamondD]

Originally posted by FORD
Yes, the plane crash videos were. But CNN doesn't have an available video of the Pentagon's wall still standing. And they obviously don't have one of the alleged plane crash at the Pentagon.

I doubt they even have the towers collapsing anymore, since they are so obviously a controlled demolition.

Yeah, CNN's taking those videos down over 4.5 years later obviousy means they are part of the conspiracy. What difference does it make if they have video of the wall still standing? It collapsed. Is there a conspiracy running thru your head on that one?


Why haven't you addressed Sesh's questions? Everytime someone calls you out and you can't address it, you start to try to shift the focus away from the thread, Mr. Moderator.

Quit trying to swing over to the controlled demolition whack theory and answer Sesh's points he's made. Or admit you can't.

[diamondD]

Originally posted by jhale667
That's just a stupid analogy, dude...I'm sure Hitler asked people to keep an open mind about his genocidal bullshit, too. But you seem all too willing to drink W.'s Kool-aid....

But are we REALLY supposed to belive a commercial airliner crashed into a building and only left a 15ft hole, leaving no trace of wing sections and whatnot---when two others MANAGED TO COLLAPSE TWO 100+ STORY BUILDINGS, plus another one in that compound that wasn't even HIT? Please....explain that one...

The WTC towers weren't designed to house the military. There's a huge difference between reinforced concrete walls and a skyscraper.

There's not any commercial building that can compare to the Pentagon. I'm surprised you tried to make that analogy.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by thome
And to whoever made the statement of watch the film with an open mind Jim Jones asked that of people too and numerous others.

Hey how about this why don't you try to live in the reality of what
happened instead OF A FUKKIN MOVIE MADE SO SOME douche BAG SO
HE
CAN BUY A NEW POOL.............. DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!!

Welp, I doon't know who da fak yer talking t2o, butt anyboody who needs t2o keep calling peeps names and 'trying' t2o insult them instead aff just making his point deserves da Ignore button I'm using on thome.

Dis is just a message bored aff mmany, mmanny messy boreds I post on and I don't need da waste aff mmy time reading insulting mindless, pointless rants.

And yer not done wit tit.

Bye thome, yer on Ignore f4oreva.





I'M THOME!

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by thome
And to whoever made the statement of watch the film with an open mind Jim Jones asked that of people too and numerous others.

Hey how about this why don't you try to live in the reality of what
happened instead OF A FUKKIN MOVIE MADE SO SOME douche BAG SO
HE
CAN BUY A NEW POOL.............. DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!!

Welp, I doon't know who da fak yer talking t2o, butt anyboody who needs t2o keep calling peeps names and 'trying' t2o insult them instead aff just making his point deserves da Ignore button I'm using on thome.

Dis is just a message bored aff mmany, mmanny messy boreds I post on and I don't need da waste aff mmy time reading insulting mindless, pointless rants.

And yer not done wit tit.

Bye thome, yer on Ignore f4oreva.





I'M THOME!

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by thome
And to whoever made the statement of watch the film with an open mind Jim Jones asked that of people too and numerous others.

Hey how about this why don't you try to live in the reality of what
happened instead OF A FUKKIN MOVIE MADE SO SOME douche BAG SO
HE
CAN BUY A NEW POOL.............. DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!!

Welp, I doon't know who da fak yer talking t2o, butt anyboody who needs t2o keep calling peeps names and 'trying' t2o insult them instead aff just making his point deserves da Ignore button I'm using on thome.

Dis is just a message bored aff mmany, mmanny messy boreds I post on and I don't need da waste aff mmy time reading insulting mindless, pointless rants.

And yer not done wit tit.

Bye thome, yer on Ignore f4oreva.





I'M THOME!

[jhale667]

Originally posted by diamondD

Quit trying to swing over to the controlled demolition whack theory and answer Sesh's points he's made. Or admit you can't.

Watch that video...the controlled demolition theory seems less and less 'whack' once you watch the collapse in slo-mo....not saying I buy their complete explanation, but I can see where one could make that argument...it's completely plausible...plus, the towers (and the unscathed building that also collapsed) were the 1st high-rise buildings IN HISTORY to collapse due to fire...yet that whole side of the Pentagon DIDN'T? Believe what you will, but it's short-sighted to dismiss it outright because it may offend your political leanings....I repeat, QUESTION EVERYTHING....

[thome]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
I don't have the time. I said it last year. It's later than you...it's t2oo LATE!

I believe this pentagon tragedy went down just as i saw it i don't remember the exact time i could look it up but no-one saw the
first tower get hit the world didn't have live feed or even knowledge
until the first building was smoking from the first hit.

We have film now but that film wasn't in the hands of anyone other than those who shot it at the time the media had only the second
tower hit and the first one smoking that day .

I turned on the TV as I do in the morning saw the tower smoking
and watched the second plane hit and did not leave my chair for a solid two days I saw all that was televised and I will Not be
manipulated by people who attempt to rewrite what they want,
not what actually happend.

By the way after the second tower was hit a old -war monger- friend
of mine called me out of the blue and all he said was

"Do you think they still take old people." I knew what he was saying
without even needing a minute i said "Im Ready lets go"

Re-Up that in your mind and you will know a lil bit more about me.....

[Phil theStalker]

Look, I have a real bad temper. I'm putting thome on Ignore bef4ore he provokes mme int2o dooing sumthing that will put mme in prison...agin. Peeps here mmake points and disagree, butt I've noticed there is not a lot aff need t2o denigrate others who disagree wit them by use of immature, name calling insults.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by diamondD
The WTC towers weren't designed to house the military. There's a huge difference between reinforced concrete walls and a skyscraper.

There's not any commercial building that can compare to the Pentagon. I'm surprised you tried to make that analogy.

Reinforced or not, where's the wing ( or any other charred, substantial) wreckage? I'm not buying the "it vaporized" theory, either....

[Phil theStalker]

Ohmmman! Dooes dis Ignore werk goode. Dis thread is now mmuch mmore MATURE!

[thome]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
Welp, I doon't know who da fak yer talking t2o, butt anyboody who needs t2o keep calling peeps names and 'trying' t2o insult them instead aff just making his point deserves da Ignore button I'm using on thome.

Dis is just a message bored aff mmany, mmanny messy boreds I post on and I don't need da waste aff mmy time reading insulting mindless, pointless rants.

And yer not done wit tit.

Bye thome, yer on Ignore f4oreva.





I'M THOME!

You have attempted to insult me for the last time im going to run away and hide in ignore land.