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    Chimpy Signs Bill That Did Not Pass The House Of Representatives

    Published: Wednesday March 15, 2006

    Representative Henry Waxman (D-CA) has alleged in a letter to White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card that President Bush signed a version of the Budget Reconciliation Act that, in effect, did not pass the House of Representatives.

    Further, Waxman says there is reason to believe that the Speaker of the House called President Bush before he signed the law, and alerted him that the version he was about to sign differed from the one that actually passed the House. If true, this would put the President in willful violation of the U.S. Constitution.

    The full text of the letter follows:

    March 15, 2006

    The Honorable Andrew Card

    Chief of Staff

    The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20500

    Dear Mr. Card:

    On February 8, 2006, President Bush signed into law a version of the Deficit Reduction Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 2005 that was different in substance from the version that passed the U.S. House of Representatives. Legal scholars have advised me that the substantive differences between the versions - which involve $2 billion in federal spending - mean that this bill did not meet the fundamental constitutional requirement that both Houses of Congress must pass any legislation signed into law by the President.

    I am writing to learn what the President and his staff knew about this constitutional defect at the time the President signed the legislation.

    Detailed background about the legislation and its constitutional defects are contained in a letter I sent last month to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, which I have enclosed with this letter.[1] In summary, the House-passed version of the legislation required the Medicare program to lease "durable medical equipment," such as wheelchairs, for seniors and other beneficiaries for up to 36 months, while the version of the legislation signed by the President limited the duration of these leases to just 13 months. As the Congressional Budget Office reported, this seemingly small change from 36 months to 13 months has a disproportionately large budgetary impact, cutting Medicare outlays by $2 billion over the next five years.[2]

    I understand that a call was made to the White House before the legislation was signed by the President advising the White House of the differences between the bills and seeking advice about how to proceed. My understanding is that the call was made either by the Speaker of the House to the President or by the senior staff of the Speaker to the senior staff of the President.

    I would like to know whether my understanding is correct. If it is, the implications are serious.

    The Presentment Clause of the U.S. Constitution states that before a bill can become law, it must be passed by both Houses of Congress.[3] When the President took the oath of office, he swore to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States," which includes the Presentment Clause. If the President signed the Reconciliation Act knowing its constitutional infirmity, he would in effect be placing himself above the Constitution.

    I do not raise this issue lightly. Given the gravity of the matter and the unusual circumstances surrounding the Reconciliation Act, Congress and the public need a straightforward explanation of what the President and his staff knew on February 8, when the legislation was signed into law.

    Sincerely,

    Henry A. Waxman Ranking Minority Member

    Enclosure

    [1] See Letter from Rep. Henry A. Waxman to Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (Feb. 14, 2006).

    [2] See Letter from CBO Acting Director Donald Marron to Rep. John M. Spratt, Jr. (Feb. 13, 2006).

    [3] U.S. Constitution, Article I, � 7.



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    Another day, another Chimpeachable offense.

    Now bring on the denials......
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    This is so huge and so outrageuos and so treacherous, and I bet it's true. You know why? Because they have no more credibility.

    Too bad most folks won't understand the implications and it will be swept under the rug.

    Well, we had a good run. 240 or so years? Not bad.
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    When Clinton signed Executive Orders without Congressional approval one of his aides said this:


    "Stroke of the pen. Law of the Land. Kinda cool."
    Paul Begala, former Clinton advisor, The New York Times, July 5, 1998


    Of course, now hypocrisy reigns supreme.

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    Executive orders don't require congressional approval, idiot.
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    Originally posted by Guitar Shark
    Executive orders don't require congressional approval, idiot.
    No shit, Sherlock.

    The ambulances not out on their runs today?

    My point is....this accusation is most likely BS and just another partisan hack job. Keep looking......

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    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    No shit, Sherlock.

    The ambulances not out on their runs today?

    My point is....this accusation is most likely BS and just another partisan hack job. Keep looking......
    So when President Feingold totally rewrites a bill written by a Republican, you'll be fine with that?

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    Originally posted by Guitar Shark
    Executive orders don't require congressional approval, idiot.
    Catheter would have punched you in the face for that
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    Where you guys get this stuff from?
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    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    No shit, Sherlock.

    The ambulances not out on their runs today?

    My point is....this accusation is most likely BS and just another partisan hack job. Keep looking......
    No, your point was that Clinton did the same thing. Not only was it tired, but also irrelevant and incorrect.

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    It was cute the way he tried to explain it away, though, huh?

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    Yeah, let's get on Clinton for his other fuck-ups. We don't need anything else heaped on top.

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    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    When Clinton signed Executive Orders without Congressional approval one of his aides said this:


    "Stroke of the pen. Law of the Land. Kinda cool."
    Paul Begala, former Clinton advisor, The New York Times, July 5, 1998


    Of course, now hypocrisy reigns supreme.

    If Chimpy signs legislation that was not passed by Congress, it is NOT the law of the land.

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    Then what's your beef?

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    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
    Catheter would have punched you in the face for that
    Damn straight, and he's a lawyer, so i'd have to piss on him too...
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    Originally posted by Warham
    Then what's your beef?

    Sorry pal....I am not required to explain myself to you if you cannot comprehend English....

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    Originally posted by Hardrock69
    Sorry pal....I am not required to explain myself to you if you cannot comprehend English....
    If he 'allegedly' signed a bill that didn't pass the House of Representatives then what is your beef???

    It's not law under those conditions.

    You don't have to explain yourself because the whole premise is ridiculous.

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    Even funnier is the fact that i have not seen or heard anything about this story except for here on this site, lol.
    Not that i've gone looking for it either.

    There was however some speculation yesterday that Andrew Card is in dire need of some time off.

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    Originally posted by Cathedral
    Even funnier is the fact that i have not seen or heard anything about this story except for here on this site, lol.
    Not that i've gone looking for it either.
    Unfortunately, you DO have to look for news these days because the corporate whore of Babylon media won't say anything bad about this Fraudministration.

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    Yeah, i agree with you...I'm just taking a break from all of it for a few days. I don't need any help being depressed, know what i mean?

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