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    Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel: "The President is "disconnected from reality."

    Bush just can't stop lying

    By DOUG THOMPSON
    Mar 22, 2006, 07:38
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    Americans who tuned in for one of President George W. Bush's rare press conferences saw a cornered animal trying to squirm his way out of trouble by doing what he has always done - evading the truth.

    Bush's attempt to showcase himself as a leader who could handle tough questions from the press corps fell just as flat as his unscripted town-meeting style appearance in Cleveland the day before.

    His eyes darted from side-to-side as he fielded questions about his real reasons for invading Iraq. He stammered. Stalled. Used the word "uh" more times than a suspect caught red-handed. He still claimed his reasons for invading Iraq were just, even though those reasons have been proven wrong. He claims the war can be won, a view not shared by many of his generals. He claimed a lot of things - few of them true.

    "President Bush exhibited symptoms of pathological prevarication," says Dr. Stephanie Crossfield, a psychologist who treats people who have trouble telling the truth and who watched Bush's performances on Monday and Tuesday at my request. "His eye movements, gestures, and changes in voice tone all display traits of consistent evasion of the truth."

    This isn't the first time I've asked Dr. Crossfield to study a politician. She watched several of former President Bill Clinton's press conferences and came to similar conclusions about Clinton disassociation with reality.

    When studying a subject, she watches the eyes.

    "Eye movement is difficult to control," she said. "You find that the eyes dart away in specific patterns when a person is not telling the truth. The President's eyes dart a great deal. He is not comfortable facing the truth."

    Dr. Justin Frank, author of the book, Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President, agrees with Dr. Crossfield.

    "President Bush marches deeper and deeper into a world of his own," says Dr. Frank. "Central to Bush's world is an iron will which demands that external reality be changed to conform to his personal view of how things are."

    Republicans reluctantly admit Bush has lost touch with the truth. Sen. Chuck Hagel says the President is "disconnected from reality."

    Venture out beyond the Beltway and you find conservative Republicans shaking their head and wondering the same thing.

    Dennis Dalbey cuts the hair of Camp Pendleton's young Marines, giving them the regulation haircut before they head to combat in Iraq. His barbershop on the Coast Highway near the base in California is covered with painted yellow ribbons, flags and "We support our troops" banners. But Dalbey, a Republican and a self-described conservative who voted for Bush, says he is fed up with the President's lies.

    "Enough is enough," he says. "It's time to bring the boys home."

    In San Marcos, retired Navy veteran Herb Ranquist, 77, sits in the local VFW hall and says Bush is a failure.

    "I voted for him two times, and I wish I hadn't," Ranquist says. "It was probably one of the worst mistakes I ever made."

    Dr. Crossfield says it doesn't take a degree in psychology or advanced training in spotting liars to realize the President plays fast and loose with the truth.

    "More and more ordinary Americans see the evidence clearly every day," she says. "It is difficult to ignore."

    Dr. Frank says Bush can't change his ways.

    "Taking responsibility has always been hard for George W. Bush," he says. "Taking responsibility for inflicting harm on others, a major step in the development of maturity, is a step President Bush has yet to make. Instead, he persists in lying to himself."

    And to the American people.



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    Why couldn't these Republicans have figured this out before November 2004?

    Seriously..... Katrina was a massive faiulre, but all his other failures were as known then as they are now.

    Should have paid attention, and spared the country.
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    They are not concerned with the well-being of America or it's citizens.

    That much is obvious.

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    What crap. Everyone knows The President is hardly an eloquent speaker but quoting a poseur like RINO Hagel and these other psychologists (see also Psychos, one and all) is a typical Leftist move to "affirm" their position. The Dems problem is tey have no position, no answers and NO BALLS! Weak!!!
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    Another ignorant stooge, hiding from reality.


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    Stop talking about yourself like that, man. Get a real opinion and state it, rather than these stupid 3rd grade comments. Democrats and their supporters are soft ass pussies, face it. Disagree with Bush or Conservatives if you wish but at least he had the balls to do something. "Let's 'negotiate' with terrorists.." . Ridiculous. Grow a set and then talk to me.

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    Who's the new troll?

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    Originally posted by ct2kc1111
    Stop talking about yourself like that, man. Get a real opinion and state it, rather than these stupid 3rd grade comments. Democrats and their supporters are soft ass pussies, face it.


    Really? Pot fucking meet the tea kettle...

    Funny, I thought Democrats started, or conducted, every War prior to the Gulf War Trilogy...

    Disagree with Bush or Conservatives if you wish but at least he had the balls to do something.
    Yeah, to get middle class kids killed in an irrational, counter-productive war...

    Wow, how tough. Sending other peoples' children to die to drive up oil profits...

    "Let's 'negotiate' with terrorists.." . Ridiculous. Grow a set and then talk to me.
    Ooooh, thw'ogh macho!


    BTW, have you ever served in the military, or are you just another arm-chair bitchy Chicken Hawk crowing on the internet???
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    Yep, Democrats started that war that killed 56,000 back in the 1960's.
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    Originally posted by Warham
    Yep, Democrats started that war that killed 56,000 back in the 1960's.
    Not so. Granted, LBJ escalated it, and was a fucking moron for doing so, but Eisenhower was the first to send US troops.

    And Eisenhower was the first (and least offensive) of the BCE presidents.

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    He sent a few hundred, at the most! And they weren't involved in any fighting at that time. Mostly there as a showpiece of US power.

    There wasn't 100,000+ sent into Vietnam prior to 1965.

    Maybe we should add up every US war casualty under Republican and Democrat presidents and see which party comes out on top. I have a feeling already who's going to win in a landslide.

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    Originally posted by Warham
    He sent a few hundred, at the most! And they weren't involved in any fighting at that time. Mostly there as a showpiece of US power.

    There wasn't 100,000+ sent into Vietnam prior to 1965.

    Maybe we should add up every US war casualty under Republican and Democrat presidents and see which party comes out on top. I have a feeling already who's going to win in a landslide.
    So you would blame FDR for sending troops to fight Japan (who attacked us) or Germany, whose war machine was funded by Prescott Bush?

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    Well, if you think Vietnam and Iraq were the only two unjust wars, maybe Korea could be included, the Democrats would still come out on top.

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    Originally posted by Warham
    Yep, Democrats started that war that killed 56,000 back in the 1960's.
    Eisenhower was a Democrat?

    Originally posted by Warham
    He sent a few hundred, at the most! And they weren't involved in any fighting at that time. Mostly there as a showpiece of US power.

    There wasn't 100,000+ sent into Vietnam prior to 1965.

    Maybe we should add up every US war casualty under Republican and Democrat presidents and see which party comes out on top. I have a feeling already who's going to win in a landslide.
    Eisenhower cancelled a UN sanctioned democratic election which divided Vietnam putting the South under a bunch of ex-French lackeys with a corrupt gov't that had no credibility...

    JFK inherited this mess...
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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    Eisenhower was a Democrat?


    How many troops did he send into Vietnam, Nick?

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    Tell me, who started the Korean War, where we lost 33,000+? I believe FORD claimed that war was unjust.
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    Originally posted by Warham
    Well, if you think Vietnam and Iraq were the only two unjust wars, maybe Korea could be included, the Democrats would still come out on top.
    The South was invaded by the North...


    And in neither case did the US invade these countries...

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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    The South was invaded by the North...


    And in neither case did the US invade these countries...
    We didn't have to go over there. No national security threats to us.

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    How would you know? Japan was threatened, and the War was not preemptive...

    Keep trying to find historical parallels to the US "preemptively" invading another country though...

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    Originally posted by Warham
    We didn't have to go over there. No national security threats to us.
    That's not what the BCE-manipulated military industrial complex said.

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    Originally posted by FORD
    That's not what the BCE-manipulated military industrial complex said.
    Truman started that whole Southeast Asia mess in the first place. He wasn't manipulated by the BCE, FORD.

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    I would say that Iraq (when Saddam was still running the show) was more of a threat to our national security than North Vietnam ever was.

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    Originally posted by Warham
    I would say that Iraq (when Saddam was still running the show) was more of a threat to our national security than North Vietnam ever was.
    Funny, but the Pentagon considered him contained, with an aging military frozen in 1970's-1990 technology, more worried about IRAN that us...

    He was a threat to no one but himself...

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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    Funny, but the Pentagon considered him contained, with an aging military frozen in 1970's-1990 technology, more worried about IRAN that us...

    He was a threat to no one but himself...
    I'm not so sure about that. He had help from the Russians, among other countries.

    He wasn't as helpless as people let on.

    I thought you didn't buy what the DoD tells us?

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    From what I understand, Truman's the one who initiated helping the French in Vietnam, not Eisenhower. It was E who increased aid to the French after he took office in 1952. Much of France's early efforts were financed by Truman's aid there.


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    Originally posted by Warham
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    I thought you didn't buy what the DoD tells us?
    That's BUSH and the Neo CoNs actually...

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    Originally posted by Warham


    add up every US war casualty


    who's going to win in a landslide.

    You think there's a "win" there?

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    Originally posted by Warham
    We didn't have to go over there. No national security threats to us.
    Oh, the irony.

    the hypocrisy.

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    Originally posted by Warham
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    He wasn't as helpless as people let on.


    And we could all list a half dozen other tyrants, dictators, and regimes just as "not helpless", and even more telling is the fact they all had the same "ties" to harboring Al Qaeda, OBL, and Islamo-schmucks in general.

    Some of them are even considered "allies"

    What made Iraq special?

    Until you can answer that truthfully, you're just another sheep.

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    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
    And we could all list a half dozen other tyrants, dictators, and regimes just as "not helpless", and even more telling is the fact they all had the same "ties" to harboring Al Qaeda, OBL, and Islamo-schmucks in general.

    Some of them are even considered "allies"

    What made Iraq special?

    Until you can answer that truthfully, you're just another sheep.
    What made Iraq special?

    Shall we take a trip back to 1991, and the first Gulf War?

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    Absolutely.

    Let's.

    How you think it makes your case for pre-emptive overthrow and occupation in 2003, and blaming it on any so called "war on terror" and invoking 9/11 every other breath is beyond me.


    If you still defend, excuse, and or justify this war, you're beyond pity.

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    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
    Absolutely.

    Let's.

    How you think it makes your case for pre-emptive overthrow and occupation in 2003, and blaming it on any so called "war on terror" and invoking 9/11 every other breath is beyond me.


    If you still defend, excuse, and or justify this war, you're beyond pity.
    Oh, I can still do all those things, and much, much more.

    1991 is just the beginning...

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    Originally posted by Warham
    From what I understand, Truman's the one who initiated helping the French in Vietnam, not Eisenhower.


    Truman tolerated the FRENCH based on the same anti-Communist hysteria taking hold at the time after the fall of CHINA, and the Korean War, in South East Asia...

    But yes, he did allow the French to go back into Vietnam, which was their colonial 'possession' until the Japanese decided the Vichy armistice didn't apply to them... So I'll grant you that...

    It was E who increased aid to the French after he took office in 1952. Much of France's early efforts were financed by Truman's aid there.
    True, to an extent. But the French fell at Dien Bien Phu, and Ike decided to not get involved, to make a long story short, a corrupt joke of an idiot came to power as emperor (Bao Dai), and he was quickly replaced by a series of corrupt dictators...

    A democratic election was to held to decide Vietnam's fate, and Ike called it off fearing Ho Chi Minh would win it... Had he allowed it to happen, Ho may not have gone over to the Communist side... (he even borrowed extracts from the US Constitution to appeal to us, a fact we like to ignore.)

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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh

    A democratic election was to held to decide Vietnam's fate, and Ike called it off fearing Ho Chi Minh would win it... Had he allowed it to happen, Ho may not have gone over to the Communist side... (he even borrowed extracts from the US Constitution to appeal to us, a fact we like to ignore.)
    Similar in many ways to Castro asking the Eisenhower administration to help him against the fascist Batitsta regime. They turned Fidel down, and Nikita Kruschev bailed him out. Giving the Communists a Cold War front 90 miles from the American mainland in the process.

    Which goes to show that BCE foreign policy has always had fatal flaws. You would think they would learn......

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    Truman was BCE? I would guess that would mean Roosevelt was BCE as well, right?

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    Originally posted by Warham
    I would say that Iraq (when Saddam was still running the show) was more of a threat to our national security than North Vietnam ever was.
    And I would say that Iran is a much bigger threat than Iraq ever was. Why aren't we invading that country and proclaiming fucking "Mission Accomplished"? Why the kid gloves? Your idiotic "leader" started a war just because he WANTED to. Because he had a hard-on for Saddam....

    "Iran would be dangerous if they have a nuclear weapon." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 18, 2003
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    Originally posted by Warham
    Truman was BCE? I would guess that would mean Roosevelt was BCE as well, right?

    Lincoln was BCE


    Booth was acting on orders from moveon.org.

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    Originally posted by ct2kc1111
    Stop talking about yourself like that, man. Get a real opinion and state it, rather than these stupid 3rd grade comments. Democrats and their supporters are soft ass pussies, face it. Disagree with Bush or Conservatives if you wish but at least he had the balls to do something. "Let's 'negotiate' with terrorists.." . Ridiculous. Grow a set and then talk to me.

    Yeah, I really respect people who can come to a conclusion and then prove it. And then start a war that killed thousands, wasted billions, and threatens to plunge the entire region into civil war.

    But at least he did something. Whew!

    I was waited to for us to kill more brown people after that little camping trip we had in afghanistan. How'd that turn out anyway?
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    Originally posted by ct2kc1111
    Stop talking about yourself like that, man. Get a real opinion and state it, rather than these stupid 3rd grade comments. Democrats and their supporters are soft ass pussies, face it. Disagree with Bush or Conservatives if you wish but at least he had the balls to do something. "Let's 'negotiate' with terrorists.." . Ridiculous. Grow a set and then talk to me.
    Sure, dumbfuck. Democrats are pussies. Thank God you sheep have a real man in the White House. A fucking draft-dodging ex-college cheerleader who can't even eat a fucking pretzel without getting hurt (if that's what really happened). Hell yeah, real men start a war with no strategy whatsoever except to get rid of Hussein, and then make up the rest as they go along. I'll bet you've seen quite a few sets of balls in your lifetime, up close. REAL close. Fucking pussy-ass sheep.
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    Originally posted by blueturk
    Sure, dumbfuck. Democrats are pussies. Thank God you sheep have a real man in the White House. A fucking draft-dodging ex-college cheerleader who can't even eat a fucking pretzel without getting hurt (if that's what really happened). Hell yeah, real men start a war with no strategy whatsoever except to get rid of Hussein, and then make up the rest as they go along. I'll bet you've seen quite a few sets of balls in your lifetime, up close. REAL close. Fucking pussy-ass sheep.
    Where did you get your debating skills... out of a box of Fruit Loops? Name- calling is unnecessary....unless I do it.
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