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    Fixing immigration

    Fixing immigration
    Mar 29, 2006
    by Linda Chavez


    Now that the Senate Judiciary Committee has passed its own version of immigration reform -- a bipartisan effort that won support from four Republicans and all eight Democrats on the panel -- a real national debate on this important issue can begin. Last December, the GOP-controlled House passed punitive legislation that would criminalize the 12 million illegal aliens, along with anyone else who provides them with shelter, medical or other services. Both bills also promise beefed-up border security. The House version seems more likely to generate popular support among American citizens, but it is a shortsighted measure, which, if it becomes law, won't solve the current crisis.
    Our immigration mess is like a three-legged stool. Fixing one leg is no better than doing nothing. We need immigration reform that addresses all three parts of this vexing problem: increased border security; a plan to deal with the illegal aliens already here (the vast majority of whom are hard-working, tax-paying and otherwise law-abiding members of our communities); and more flexible and realistic legal immigration policies that allow us to admit more permanent residents and guest workers as our labor needs require.

    I know this approach drives the anti-immigrant crowd crazy -- but they are a small though noisy fraction of the public concerned with immigration. Unfortunately, these voices are driving the current debate, especially on conservative talk radio and cable news shows. I wonder how many conservatives who embrace the anti-immigrant message know that their fellow travelers' roots are in the pro-abortion, population-control movement.

    Dr. John Tanton, who was the brainchild behind many of the most prominent restrictionist groups, including the Federation for American Immigration Reform, the Center for Immigration Studies and Numbers USA, is a past president of Zero Population Growth. These groups often cite demographer Leon Bouvier's work to support their arguments. In his book "How Many Americans?: Population, Immigration and the Environment," Bouvier and co-author Lindsey Grant advocated reducing the American population to 150 million by the end of this century -- that's almost half the current population. Although they're guarded in suggesting any draconian measures to achieve this goal, averring that "Deliberate reductions in life expectancy to reduce population are, of course, out of the question," their prescriptions are nonetheless chilling.

    "To begin with," they say, "it would be pointless to assume that American women will altruistically decide to have but one child for the good of the society." So they favor government policies that will achieve that end. "All proposed legislation, regardless of specific intent, should be evaluated as to its possible impact on fertility," they argue. And, of course, they support additional government-funded research for more effective contraceptives and better access to abortion. The book was written during the Clinton years, which accounts for this gem: "[T]here is hope that with the end of the Reagan-Bush era, a more enlightened executive will see the advantages of at least limiting, if not stopping, population growth."

    Make no mistake, these folks are after immigrants now, but they want into the bedrooms of American citizens next. Unlike some racist elements in the anti-immigrant movement (they exist, as I can attest from the racist diatribes I receive every time I write on this issue), these people object to virtually all immigrants, but dislike Hispanic immigrants more because they have higher fertility rates.

    Back when my great-grandparents immigrated to this country from Ireland in the mid-19th century (my father's family had already been in New Mexico for more than 300 years), all you needed to become an American was the price of a steerage ticket on a trans-Atlantic ship, a strong back and no communicable diseases.

    We weren't all that welcoming to the Irish, Italians, Poles, Germans and others who immigrated in large numbers through the first quarter of the last century, but they eventually fit in and did well here. The evidence suggests Hispanics are doing the same thing, learning English, finishing school, opening their own businesses and intermarrying with other Americans at a faster rate than previous ethnics did.

    It took Italian immigrants 60 years after their peak immigration to catch up with other Americans in education attainment. Already, 80 percent of second-generation Latinos finish high school, and nearly half of those 25-44 years old have attended college. Second-generation Latino college grads earn more than non-Hispanic whites.

    Even among the immigrants themselves, 45 percent own their own homes. And like the grandchildren of immigrants from all countries, the vast majority of third-generation Latinos speak only one language: English.

    These facts ought to be the focus of the immigration debate, not the hysteria driving too many congressional Republicans into the arms of population-control radicals.

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    I have seen this shit coming for twenty years. It probably is already too late to fix, but I guarantee that if you put troops on the border and stop the free health care and free education it will make a big dent. It is completely asine to think that Mexico can treat immigration one way and demand that we do the oppisite.....If you are caught coming into Mexico ILLEGALLY you are tossed back across the border (unless you buy off the Federales) and I dare anyone to walk into a clinic in Mexico and try to get a little free health care and lastly it is forbidden by Mexican law for anyone who is not a Mexican citizen to own any kind of real estate whatsoever...Who's kidding who?
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    Linda Chavez is a fucking hypocrite. She was denied a BCE cabinet position. Anybody remember why?




    BECAUSE SHE HIRED ILLEGAL FUCKING ALIENS TO WORK AS MAIDS AND GARDENERS IN HER OWN GODDAMNED MANSION!!

    Shut up, cunt!
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    Originally posted by FORD
    BECAUSE SHE HIRED ILLEGAL FUCKING ALIENS TO WORK AS MAIDS AND GARDENERS IN HER OWN GODDAMNED MANSION!!
    Sounds like something Ted Kennedy would applaud.
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    The time to fix it was 1986...BEFORE we had 12 million illegals living & working here....

    Hmmm....wonder what happened in 86'?????:confused:
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    Yep... always comes back to Ted Kennedy or Bill Clinton.

    Never mind that Chavez broke the law.

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    If Reagan was still President, you think he would say...

    Mr. Gorbachev..... help me put up this wall....

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    Naw...he'd be too busy cashing in to worry aboot it...

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    They are not illegal immigrants...they are undocumented immigrants.

    Get that correct before we go any further.

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    And Chimpy is an undocumented pResident. Can we deport him too?

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    I'm not a politically correct kind of guy.....

    A "immigrant" doesn't enter the Country illegally....

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    Originally posted by FORD
    And Chimpy is an undocumented pResident. Can we deport him too?
    He's documented.

    Just check out the Supreme Court decisions from 2001.

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    Of course...once Drug Dealers were given Amnesty in 1986...who's to say who gets in....

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    Originally posted by Warham
    He's documented.

    Just check out the Supreme Court decisions from 2001.
    Can you PROVE any of the votes in any precinct using a Diebold machine?

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    Originally posted by FORD
    Can you PROVE any of the votes in any precinct using a Diebold machine?
    Can you prove Al Gore got those votes using a Diebold machine?

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    You can't prove ANYTHING using a Diebold machine...

    Abramoff made sure of that!

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    Originally posted by Warham
    They are not illegal immigrants...they are undocumented immigrants.

    Get that correct before we go any further.
    Who's hiring them though? The same people that write columns on how they should be sent back.

    Ah yes, the Warham school of logic...
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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    Who's hiring them though? The same people that write columns on how they should be sent back.

    Ah yes, the Warham school of logic...
    Whoever is hiring them isn't doing our country any favors, Democrats or Republicans.

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    Maybe we need to think this through a little more, since there's a lot of bullshit out there spewed by both sides...

    But I find it repugnant, that immigrants are taking construction jobs (for instance) that "Americans don't want."

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    People think it's odd when I say this, but I think the solution (I know it's out there) is to just making a fucking offer to Mexico. Lousiana Purchase Pt. II.

    So many of that nation's people want to come here for a better live, why not just buy the place out, make it follow American ways of doing business and develop the fuck out of it? The ONLY reason that country is fucked is the government.

    It has the largest amount of untapped oil in this hemisphere, easy to defend (we do it already in fact), it's labor is cheap and it has beautiful places in the country completely untapped (read, not with condos all over it). All the ingredients to send the American Economy to the moon and it solves all the immigration problems.
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    Originally posted by Big Train
    People think it's odd when I say this, but I think the solution (I know it's out there) is to just making a fucking offer to Mexico. Lousiana Purchase Pt. II.

    So many of that nation's people want to come here for a better live, why not just buy the place out, make it follow American ways of doing business and develop the fuck out of it? The ONLY reason that country is fucked is the government.

    It has the largest amount of untapped oil in this hemisphere, easy to defend (we do it already in fact), it's labor is cheap and it has beautiful places in the country completely untapped (read, not with condos all over it). All the ingredients to send the American Economy to the moon and it solves all the immigration problems.
    Interesting...

    Many futurists say this is inevitable, in fact, the entire continent will be a United American States within a couple of hundred years...

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    Damn!!!!! I won't be around to witness this UTOPIA. Sorry fella's but human greed and politicians will ruin this little wet dream. In all seriousness though, I do applaud your optimism.
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    Who said I was being optimistic....

    Have you ever seen "Metropolis?"

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    Contact: William Gheen, Americans for Legal Immigration (ALIPAC)
    WilliamG@alipac.us (866) 329-3999

    The controversial proposal to give illegal aliens taxpayer subsidized in-state tuition at American universities is included in the immigration "reform" bill that also contains the Guest Worker Amnesty proposals according to the Washington Times!

    Nine states allow illegal aliens to receive the in-state tuition rates, but the law is under challenge in those states and most slipped the provision in with little or no public input. In states where public debate occurred, the measure failed in NC, FL, GA, and VA. In liberal Massachusetts the measure failed by a graphic 96-57 in the House.


    "If this bill passes, the American taxpayers will be forced to pay for illegal aliens to replace their own children in the limited seats in college" says William Gheen of ALIPAC. "Professional polls in North Carolina show over 81% opposition to in-state tuition for illegal aliens. It is bad enough the Senate is proposing Guest Worker Amnesty. Now they want us to pay college tuition for illegal aliens!"

    Under the provisions of this bill, illegal aliens would be given preference over American students that are required to pay higher tuition rates when they attend public colleges away from their home state. Taxpayers would have to pay for expanded services in universities. Some universities would give even further benefits in admissions and financial aid due to the minority status of the applicants. In-state tuition costs American taxpayers thousands of dollars per year per student.

    "American families have spent generations building these Universities." Gheen says. "It is a national tragedy the US Senate is even considering giving these finite resources to foreign nationals that broke our laws."

    Americans for Legal Immigration Political Action Committee is calling on all Americans that oppose Amnesty and In-State tuition for illegal aliens to contact every member of Congress and demand they vote "No" on these measures. Contact information and instructions can be found at the ALIPAC website at http://www.alipac.us William Gheen and ALIPAC played a key roll in defeating in-state tuition for illegals in North Carolina.


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    Migrants Find a Gold Rush in New Orleans


    Word spread to Latino laborers as Katrina's floodwaters ebbed: There is work with good money and no questions about papers.


    http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...C6858623.story

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    Illegals will keep flooding in and it's only a matter of time before it becomes a time bomb with taxpayers getting tired of footing the bill and being ran over by an illegal mob who fills the schools and healthcare system.

    Someone is going to scapegoat someone when the economy turns south long-term or there is another huge terrorist attack somewhere.

    The reality is the politicians can't get rid of them. Illegals can go on strike and crops don't get harvested, trucks don't move, houses don't get built, hotel rooms don't get cleaned, resturants don't have kitchen staff. Not only can they shut a huge part of the economy down but theres enough of them to cause real havoc if they get violent because they refuse to leave. by force.

    I think the illegal immigration problem could split the United States apart into sevral different countries with the south west going back to Mexico. There's no way we are going to subsidize this illegal activity forever. Letting it go on will only bring and bigger and nastier race war in the future.
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    I hear on CNN occasionally interviews and stuff where people whine that "immigrants are not criminals".

    It depends on whether or not they are here legally.

    If they are not, they ARE FUCKING CRIMINALS!!!

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    Originally posted by Hardrock69
    I hear on CNN occasionally interviews and stuff where people whine that "immigrants are not criminals".

    It depends on whether or not they are here legally.

    If they are not, they ARE FUCKING CRIMINALS!!!
    They are 'undocumented immigrants' according to Ted Kennedy and John McCain.

    It's the next Civil Rights movement.

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    Fuck those motherfuckers (Kennedy & McCain).

    Illegal Immigrants are criminals, no matter what label those clowns want to put on it.

    My heart does NOT bleed for illegal immigrants.

    They need to have a boot planted up their ass as they are kicked back over the border.
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    Lets not forget the medical and criminal ramifications of these 'Undocumented Immigrants'. Sneaking over the border allows these illegals to avoid a medical exam, which means they could be carrying any number of deseases including Bird Flu. The criminal element also crosses the border wreaking havoc in the form of MS-13. Just recently an illegal alien that was working for a business stuck around after the job was completed and murdered the female home owner who employed the company. As I mentioned in an earlier post as of 2002, 29 percent of the prison population is comprised of illegal aliens. That number I am sure has grown in the past 3 years. And do not forget who pays for their free room and board at our local detention facilities. LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!!! To top this post off, Prison facilities are now employing the use of video game systems in prison cells for good behavior. Ice cream socials amongst the convicted have also been put into use.

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