a few questions about Jesus....

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Terry
Alan is VERY real.

Make no mistake about it.

His India-ink fur makes him virtually invisible at night. All that can be seen after the sun sets are his fangs, should he choose to bare them, and pity those who have seen them, for they never live to tell the tale. He has slain, but it's not his fault, because, well, after all...he IS a panther.

Resolved: Jesus is a myth.

Resolved: Alan scares me.

Grab it, Terry. Grab it again and again. Let the Larg flow through you, and then you will realize that Alan is not a panther to fear...but a panther to love...

[Coyote]

Originally posted by FORD
You mean "Welcome Back Kotter" reruns never made it to Finland??


Vinny Barbarino was John Revolta's first real acting job on this mid-70's TV series about a "gang" called the "Sweathogs".

Oh, that guy. I thought he had a leisure suit until 1989 or something...

I don't think that "Kotter" was EVER seen out here... Is that a good or bad thing?

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Now kids nearly all know that Santa Claus doesn't exist wouldn't it be about time to tell their parents about Jesus?

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
1. ISLAM is a religion of peace.
2. ISLAM is a perfect and true religion.
3. ISLAM teaches us all the good things about this world and the hereafter.

Islam is a crock of crap.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Islam is a crock of crap.

The worst of religions. And it says a lot.

[Jesus Christ]

For those who doubt My existence, thou art wrong.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by Jesus Christ
For those who doubt My existence, thou art wrong.

I'd be ready to believe in you, in a minute... But why are you so enigmatic? Why are you even more difficult to see than a plummer at weekends?
Why don't you play Hyde Park? Why all these mysteries? :confused:

:p

[Nitro Express]

Jesus was born 5 BC on our calendar. He was suppossed to return in 2000 years to usher in the Milenium and burn the wicked and rapture the righteouse. Where is he? He's a decade late?

[Nitro Express]

Like Santa Clause, lots of people get rich promoting the image. Funny how the Jesus crowd always wants your money.

[The_KiD]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Islam is a crock of crap.

I could not agree more.. I read the Flight 93 Hijack Transcript and those fuckers were nuts! They were praising their almighty right up until the end..

All Muslims are not Terrorists but All Terrorists are Muslims.

Derka Derka

KiD

[Coyote]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Islam is a crock of crap.

They're all the same in the end:

One character to believe in.
You place your faith in his words.
Kill, maim, and all other kinds of shit in his name...










Go Buddha!

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by Nitro Express
Jesus was born 5 BC on our calendar. He was suppossed to return in 2000 years to usher in the Milenium and burn the wicked and rapture the righteouse. Where is he? He's a decade late?

Born 5 BH (before himself )?...
I was raised under Catholic principles and read the Bible before rejecting it all. As far as I can remember "He" has never been told to come "back" c. 2000.
"Where is he"? Well, he posts at rotharmy.com, which is a great thing per se, but really surprising for a self-entitled "Saviour"... Unless we are his chosen ones?

Originally posted by Nitro Express
Like Santa Clause, lots of people get rich promoting the image. Funny how the Jesus crowd always wants your money.

Jesus loves you...r money maker!

[sagebrush]

Originally posted by The_KiD
I could not agree more.. I read the Flight 93 Hijack Transcript and those fuckers were nuts! They were praising their almighty right up until the end..

All Muslims are not Terrorists but All Terrorists are Muslims.

Derka Derka

KiD

When i was over seas those bastards tryed to tell me that allah would kill us and how he would kill are our people but at the same time allah could not feed his ? I don't care who you bbelievein but any man that bbelieveshid god wonts you to kill people just because ttheydon't believe like you is fucked up . And by the way allah i made it home after 1 year and 17 days in your land the 1st time and 170 days the next , sorry allah you missed . And any god that tells you to fly a plane in to something cant be much of one !

[Big Troubles]

Now now.... Allah will not have mercy for those who question him.

"There is none worthy of worship but Allah and I testify that Muhammad is Allah's worshipper and Messenger."


"Glory be to Allah and All praise be to Allah and There is none worthy of worship but Allah and Allah is the greatest and there is no power and might except from Allah. The Most High, The Great."

"There is none worthy of worship but Allah who is alone (and) He has no partner, His is the Kingdom and for Him is all praise, He gives life and causes death, in His hand is all good and He has power over everything."

[Big Troubles]

Its really just more of a way of life, than just a religion. But yes, there are those who worship Allah and do what THEY believe is what Allah wants.

But there are alot people who like the Islamic teachings that dont fly planes into buildings.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by The_KiD


All Muslims are not Terrorists but All Terrorists are Muslims.


KiD

Unfortunately, NOT true. Were Timothy McVeigh and that Operation Rescue scumbag that blows up abortion clinics Muslim? Thought not.

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Now now.... Allah will not have mercy for those who question him.

That's another thing that bugs the shit out of me about organized religion. "Don't DARE question anything we say, lest you burn in eternal hellfire." In other words, LEAVE THE THINKING TO US. WTF is that shit? Faith is NOT about thought control.

[The_KiD]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jhale667
[B]Unfortunately, NOT true. Were Timothy McVeigh and that Operation Rescue scumbag that blows up abortion clinics Muslim? Thought not.



Very Good point, but I was talking about recent and at hand terrorism..

Derka Derka

KiD

[fe_lung]

Originally posted by 4rchang3l
19) why do they celebrate 'Easter' on the pagan holiday of 'Ostara' which is the spring solstice and the birth of 'Jesus'(which nobody actually knows when it happened) on the pagan holiday of 'Yule' which is the winter(death) solstice?

Just ask yourself how hard it is to get something declared an official holiday.

In the early days it was easier to tack Christian festivals on to pagan ones. Kind of like "Hey, while you're celebrating you can celebrate this too...." Then over time the Jesus thing takes over the pagan thing and you're all set.

Besides, having the whole easter/resurrection thing alongside the whole spring/renewal thing kind of makes sense.

Most religions are pretty clear that these dates are "observances" as opposed to the actual date. Nobody has a copy of Jesus's day timer.

[fe_lung]

Originally posted by jhale667
That's another thing that bugs the shit out of me about organized religion. "Don't DARE question anything we say, lest you burn in eternal hellfire." In other words, LEAVE THE THINKING TO US. WTF is that shit? Faith is NOT about thought control.

Yes, but in many cases religion is.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by fe_lung
Yes, but in many cases religion is.

And that's its inherent flaw.

[rustoffa]

Nothing says conviction like worshiping the big fucker that wants to eat you.

Sundarbans is a tidal forest, a vast mangrove swamp stretching between India and Bangladesh on the Bay of Bengal. Subject to devastating cyclones, it is infested with deadly snakes, crocodiles, sharks and more tigers than any other contiguous tract in the world. Here, tigers stalk and eat humans, about 300 every year. They swim in the sea and leap into boats to grab fishermen, or pounce on honey-gatherers and woodcutters in the forest. Montgomery (Walking With the Great Apes) made three trips to Sundarbans to study the tigers. She obtained firsthand accounts of killings and discovered that the people regard tigers as magic beings-feared but not hated, worshiped but not loved. The tiger god is called Daksin Ray. Montgomery provides a vivid picture of the coastal forest and its people, and takes us on a magical journey where nature, humans and myth coalesce.
Copyright 1995 Reed Business Information, Inc.

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Correct!

Not to argue with Bob here, but it's Allah you want to praise, not Allan.

The teachings of Allah will surprise alot of you. There is more science and philosophy in an Islamic temple than there are religious beliefs. This planet is a gift. Enjoy it.

It's surprising you agree Jesus is a myth, especially when Islam says that Jesus is a very important rabbi/prophet for their faith, just not the Son of God.

And also, Yahweh = God = Allah. Same guy, different ways of interpreting Him.

[FORD]

**hiccup**

[FORD]

Originally posted by fe_lung


Besides, having the whole easter/resurrection thing alongside the whole spring/renewal thing kind of makes sense.

Most religions are pretty clear that these dates are "observances" as opposed to the actual date. Nobody has a copy of Jesus's day timer.

It's true that the exact date of Christ's birth is unknown, timeand that Christmas was a "made up observance" incorporating pagan symbols.

But the crucifixion of Jesus Christ definitely took place during the Jewish Passover festival, on the morning before the Sabbath. The "Last Supper" was not just bread and wine, as is portrayed in the Communion ceremony , but a full traditional Passover seder complete with a roast lamb.

So the eggs and bunnies might have been drafted in later, but the timing of Easter goes back to the days of Moses.

[Hardrock69]

Well actually there was Easter celebration dating back to at least 2,000 B.C.

It was not new...even in the time of Jesus....

[FORD]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Well actually there was Easter celebration dating back to at least 2,000 B.C.

It was not new...even in the time of Jesus....

But was it the same time as the Jewish Passover?

[fe_lung]

Originally posted by FORD

So the eggs and bunnies might have been drafted in later, but the timing of Easter goes back to the days of Moses.

Actually, eggs and bunnies pre-date christianity. It comes from northern european folklore. It's got something to do with kids lost in the woods and the goddess Estre coming in the shape of a rabit and leading them out.

[bueno bob]

I wonder if I can now get away with dating all of the checks I write 2011?

:confused:

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by FORD
It's true that the exact date of Christ's birth is unknown, timeand that Christmas was a "made up observance" incorporating pagan symbols.

But the crucifixion of Jesus Christ definitely took place during the Jewish Passover festival, on the morning before the Sabbath. The "Last Supper" was not just bread and wine, as is portrayed in the Communion ceremony , but a full traditional Passover seder complete with a roast lamb.

So the eggs and bunnies might have been drafted in later, but the timing of Easter goes back to the days of Moses.

Yeah, bunnies and eggs got into the mix when people from pagan religions started converting. It's like how there's an Italian way to celebrate Easter and then there's a Polish way to celebrate Easter, and the traditions pass down generation after generation, changing here and there.

Christmas, though, I believe was placed where it was in coordination with the Winter Solstace to replace their one party with another. Remember a huge part of the early Church was former-Pagans. Just read some of the saints bios. St Hilary of Poiters, one of the 13 doctors of the Church (and not in an ER kind of way) whose writings affected Church Doctrine was a huuuuge Pagan before converting. These were the guys along with people from previous faiths setting forth what we have observance-wise today. It's no surprise that one of Christianity's big observations is set a couple of days after solstace or that both Easter and Christmas today secularly have Pagan elements to it.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by FORD
But the crucifixion of Jesus Christ definitely took place during the Jewish Passover festival, on the morning before the Sabbath.

Interesting way to use the word 'definitely'.

How is it definite? Have you any proof or evidence at all outwith the bible text which we have agreed is a flawed inaccurate book.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Interesting way to use the word 'definitely'.

How is it definite? Have you any proof or evidence at all outwith the bible text which we have agreed is a flawed inaccurate book.

My argument is that the events as described took place during Passover week, as evidenced by Jesus and the 12 Disciples sharing the traditional Passover Seder, and the custom of Pilate releasing one Jewish prisoner, which was only done during Passover.

If you want to argue that the crucifixion never took place at all, that's an entirely different matter. But assuming they did, then it was clearly during Passover week.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
It's surprising you agree Jesus is a myth, especially when Islam says that Jesus is a very important rabbi/prophet for their faith, just not the Son of God.

And also, Yahweh = God = Allah. Same guy, different ways of interpreting Him.

Correction... And I normally dont correct you Ally... I was agreeing with the myth that has become Jesus. Im sure there was a guy named Jesus. And for sure played a very important role. Not the water to wine kind, but still...Significant enough. Son of God? No. In fact his name was prolly pronounced "HeyZeus" and wore the fanciest shoes you've ever seen.

I need to be clear here. Im more atheist than anything else. I believe in me. The here and the now. I believe in alot of what the same things the muslims happen to believe W/O worshiping Al-lah.

[jhale667]

SUPPOSEDLY, there are Roman records of executions that verify someone named "Jesus" was executed about that time...

[Big Troubles]

Science and philosophy.... wot a combination.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by jhale667
SUPPOSEDLY, there are Roman records of executions that verify someone named "Jesus" was executed about that time...

but what does prove though? Im sure there were alot of ppl executed with various names.... still are.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by sagebrush
When i was over seas those bastards tryed to tell me that allah would kill us and how he would kill are our people but at the same time allah could not feed his ? I don't care who you bbelievein but any man that bbelieveshid god wonts you to kill people just because ttheydon't believe like you is fucked up . And by the way allah i made it home after 1 year and 17 days in your land the 1st time and 170 days the next , sorry allah you missed . And any god that tells you to fly a plane in to something cant be much of one !

God apparently told George W. Bush to kill thousands of sand dwellers.
In fact didn't George have support from the Bill Graham? Everyones "God" has an agenda. My God allows me to smoke weed in moderation, drink beers in moderation and have sex...alot. What does your God say to you?

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
God apparently told George W. Bush to kill thousands of sand dwellers.
In fact didn't George have support from the Bill Graham? Everyones "God" has an agenda. My God allows me to smoke weed in moderation, drink beers in moderation and have sex...alot. What does your God say to you?

But that politicizing God. What God wants is, for the most part, clear. It's right there in His book.

And as for the Muslims, you mean are on the same wavelength that they used to be centuries ago. They used to be about science and mathmatics with a lot of advances in the fields attributed to them. But that was centuries ago before they got caught up in mysticism, too.