William Jefferson Clinton VS. George Walker Bush
ECONOMY
FOREIGN POLICY
SECURITY
HEALTHCARE
EDUCATION
STATE OF THE MILITARY
SOCIAL SECURITY
IMMIGRATION
SCANDAL WITHIN ADMINISTRATION
SIZE OF GOVERNMENT
Where do you honestly score them?
Who had/has the advantage in each category?
Originally Posted by Kristy
ECONOMY - Clinton
FOREIGN POLICY - Bush
SECURITY - Bush
HEALTHCARE - Draw
EDUCATION - Draw
STATE OF THE MILITARY - Bush
SOCIAL SECURITY - Draw
IMMIGRATION - Draw
SCANDAL WITHIN ADMINISTRATION - Clinton
SIZE OF GOVERNMENT - Draw
Don't forget to post pictures of the 1993 WTC bombing, DEMON.
Also, don't forget to post 1995 pictures of the Oklahoma City bombing.
Oh yeah, I forgot the Branch Davidian Waco, Texas massacre as well.
Keep the pictures coming!
Those were all President Bush the first's fault.Originally posted by Warham
Don't forget to post pictures of the 1993 WTC bombing, DEMON.
Also, don't forget to post 1995 pictures of the Oklahoma City bombing.
Oh yeah, I forgot the Branch Davidian Waco, Texas massacre as well.
Keep the pictures coming!
Minor events in comparison really. "Justice" has essentially been carried out in each case. No?
Last edited by DEMON CUNT; 07-11-2006 at 06:06 PM.
ha ha!
I'm glad to see you have a sense of humor.
False questions, one and all. Bush's approach with the economy is far different from Clinton's, but each are making their base extremely happy with their policies. Bushies DON'T believe in "balancing the budget" or the concern over future generations having to pay for this ones debts. And though that SOUNDS terrible, it's actually not. Supply-sdie economics HAVE been proven to be valid, as is evidenced by the recent surplus discovered this weekend/ Where did the surplus come from? Increased revenue from industry. How did that happen? Because people had money to spend due to Bush's tax cuts, and that made more available for the private sector to spend.Originally posted by LoungeMachine
William Jefferson Clinton VS. George Walker Bush
ECONOMY
FOREIGN POLICY
SECURITY
HEALTHCARE
EDUCATION
STATE OF THE MILITARY
SOCIAL SECURITY
IMMIGRATION
SCANDAL WITHIN ADMINISTRATION
SIZE OF GOVERNMENT
Foreign policy and security, things have changed. Dramatically. Not for the best, but that's not the kind of world we live in, or really ever have. 9/11 didn't change the world, it just made the USA finally part of its realities.
Healthcare, depends who you ask. 90% of people in the medical field will ABSOLUTELY say Bush is superior.
Immigration, I think Clinton actually looked the other way b/c it wasn't a front page issue at the time. He left it for someone else to deal with. I only really started thinking about it thanks to books like Fast Food Nation and Springsteen's album Ghost of Tom Joad. Both highly recommended.
The big difference to me is Clinton...the world liked and respected America more with him. And I was prouder to be a US citizen. The cynicism that was part of our culture from 80 - 92 eroded during his presidency, and came right back...well, even during Bush's campaign.
Phooey to it all.
RIM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW to post pics of the WTC is disgusting and highly inappropriate. Knock it off FORD.
DEMON is FORD?
SURPLUS??!!? Dude, get off the crack pipe:Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
False questions, one and all. Bush's approach with the economy is far different from Clinton's, but each are making their base extremely happy with their policies. Bushies DON'T believe in "balancing the budget" or the concern over future generations having to pay for this ones debts. And though that SOUNDS terrible, it's actually not. Supply-sdie economics HAVE been proven to be valid, as is evidenced by the recent surplus discovered this weekend/ Where did the surplus come from? Increased revenue from industry. How did that happen? Because people had money to spend due to Bush's tax cuts, and that made more available for the private sector to spend.
...
A.) There was NO surplus, the deficit was merely not quite as large as they originally projected. Woo-hoooo!! It's only the fourth largest deficit ever and not the third...
B.) There's dispute, but some say that the budget deficit projection is inflated, so they can say later, "see, it's not as big as we thought."
Tax revenues are higher under Bush's presidency than Clinton's, even though Americans pay less taxes.
Amazing how that works.
Back that up, please.Originally posted by Warham
Tax revenues are higher under Bush's presidency than Clinton's, even though Americans pay less taxes.
Amazing how that works.
William Jefferson Clinton VS. George Walker Bush
ECONOMY
WJC - A
GWB - B
FOREIGN POLICY
WJC - B
GWB - D-
SECURITY
WJC - C
GWB - D-
HEALTHCARE
WJC - C
GWB - D
EDUCATION
WJC - B
GWB - C
STATE OF THE MILITARY
WJC - B
GWB - C
SOCIAL SECURITY
WJC - A
GWB - D
IMMIGRATION
WJC - D
GWB - D-
SCANDAL WITHIN ADMINISTRATION
WJC - D
GWB - D
SIZE OF GOVERNMENT
WJC - B
GWB - C
Were the questions slanted per EMA's menstrual rant? sure.
Only because I know there will be a copycat thread slanted the other way in no time.
Half of this was tongue-in-cheeck, because it is well known I HATE and DESPISE the whole "Diver Down VS WACF" threads, and "Jimmy Page or Eric Clapton" crap.
Scientific?
No.
Fun to watch?
Hell ya.
Yeah, if only that Bin Laden determined to strike in US PDB (presidential daily briefing) offered some sort of clue to the Bush Administration... Then maybe we wouldn not have to look at that picture. Because they should have been able to prevent it.Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
BTW to post pics of the WTC is disgusting and highly inappropriate. Knock it off FORD.
Read more:
CNN: Transcript: Bin Laden determined to strike in US MEMO
FROM THE PDB:
Bin Laden implied in U.S. television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."
...patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.
+++++++++++
Does that picture offend you? Fuck you neocon.
Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
BTW to post pics of the WTC is disgusting and highly inappropriate. Knock it off FORD.
Bullshit.
Posting pictures of events isn't disgusting. It's truth. It's history.
What's disgusting is that it was allowed to happen, and that our response was to invade, overthrow, and occupy a country which had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with those towers crumbling.
Here we go, let's blame the STORY, not the people behind the story.
Do you consider pictures of Pearl Harbor, Omaha Beach, or Saigon "disgusting"???
C'mon
Okay tough guy, lets talk, so Lounge can get that woody he was looking forward to by starting this thread...in response to Warham's...Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
Yeah, if only that Bin Laden determined to strike in US PDB (presidential daily briefing) offered some sort of clue to the Bush Administration... Then maybe we wouldn not have to look at that picture. Because they should have been able to prevent it.
Read more:
CNN: Transcript: Bin Laden determined to strike in US MEMO
FROM THE PDB:
Bin Laden implied in U.S. television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."
...patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.
+++++++++++
Does that picture offend you? Fuck you neocon.
you say (with no backup whatsoever)Originally posted by Warham
Don't forget to post pictures of the 1993 WTC bombing, DEMON.
Also, don't forget to post 1995 pictures of the Oklahoma City bombing.
Oh yeah, I forgot the Branch Davidian Waco, Texas massacre as well.
Keep the pictures coming!
So, under this logic (being that, as far as I can tell, the seeds had been planted by the previous administration), aren't all of the hardships and difficulties of W.'s presidency caused by CLINTON'S legacy? Sure, this is an idiotic statement...just like yours above to warham was.Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
Those were all President Bush the first's fault.
Minor events in comparison really. "Justice" has essentially been carried out in each case. No?
Neocon? Me? Bucky, you don't know jack fuckin shit. but then anyone who has had to suffer through any of your warblings (you'rte nothing more than the flip side of the same scratched up worthless coin that BBB has in his pocket) already knows that.
Am I alone in not caring about that at all?Originally posted by Warham
Oh yeah, I forgot the Branch Davidian Waco, Texas massacre as well.
If a bunch of lunatics want to kill themselves why should I?
Yeah, that is an idiotic statement. That's me feeding that shit back to Warhead. Please try to pay attention.Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
So, under this logic (being that, as far as I can tell, the seeds had been planted by the previous administration), aren't all of the hardships and difficulties of W.'s presidency caused by CLINTON'S legacy? Sure, this is an idiotic statement...just like yours above to warham was.
Neocon? Me? Bucky, you don't know jack fuckin shit....[/B]
And you Eat My Asshole? You obviously have very little offer.
I'm with you on that one...Originally posted by Seshmeister
Am I alone in not caring about that at all?
If a bunch of lunatics want to kill themselves why should I?
A bunch of needy, sheepish morons let their children be molested by a terrorist, pedophile "Christian" cult leader. If he proclaimed to be Muslim, guess who never would have mentioned this "injustice."
I think the gene pool was improved actually...
Why? Oh, that's right...Because I don't take everything you spout off as gospel.Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
And you Eat My Asshole? You obviously have very little offer.
Go sniff yr mom's panties. Everybody else has (her cunt smells like carpet cleaner)
And the level of debate rises yet again.........
LMAO
Why should you care? Because a number of innocents ALSO died as a result. Also, are you saying the mentally ill - people who should OBVIOUSLY, at the least, be on medication - should be left to their own devices at all times???Originally posted by Seshmeister
Am I alone in not caring about that at all?
If a bunch of lunatics want to kill themselves why should I?
Reno fucked that one up. Even the NY Times fessed up to that one. So, if people want to kill themselves no one should stop them? So then, with that logic, the attacks on the WTC, the Penatgon, Bali, Madrid, India, and ANY suicide mission is A.O.K. by you???
Thought you'd enjoy that one.Originally posted by LoungeMachine
And the level of debate rises yet again.........
LMAO
Now by play with Johnny Depp's Barbie dolls.
Child rapists will always vote for the Donkey. I think the Democratic party lost quite a few voters in the Waco fiasco.Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I think the gene pool was improved actually...
Yeah right. They were "Conservative Christians" at heart, right War? Weren't they an anti-Clinton Admin cause celeb for a while...Originally posted by Warham
Child rapists will always vote for the Donkey. I think the Democratic party lost quite a few voters in the Waco fiasco.
You're right, it the Democrats fault that a bunch of empty-physcos exposed their children to a charismatic cult leader espousing some twisted, literal biblical based dogma. And they collected illegally modified assault rifles, including a .50 cal. sniper rifle. Then they set fire to their compound in some typical "martyrdom operation" to kill themselves, but it's all Clinton's fault? Even though a lot of the Feds. on site were presumably politically conservative and probably more often than not registered Republicans?
Like that extremist polygamist off-shoot of the Mormon religion out in Arizona? Would you consider them likely voters in the Democratic base?
Sure, if they hope to have Social Security benefits in their old age...Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Like that extremist polygamist off-shoot of the Mormon religion out in Arizona? Would you consider them likely voters in the Democratic base?
Why would polygamists vote Republican?
Republicans are trying to put the kibosh on gay marriage. If gay marriage is somehow legalized in all 50 states, there's nothing stopping a polygamist to say 'hey, what about me???'
The ACLU and the RNC don't mix.
Clinto had just one daugther and was ugly
Bush have two naugthy daugthers that looks good.
Thats the only comparison I can do on both camp rigth now
Bastardog
Because they're very similar in their literal belief systems with Evangelical Christians...Originally posted by Warham
Why would polygamists vote Republican?
Republicans are trying to put the kibosh on gay marriage. If gay marriage is somehow legalized in all 50 states, there's nothing stopping a polygamist to say 'hey, what about me???'
The ACLU and the RNC don't mix.
Do I really have to spell that out poky?
ECONOMY - A draw. The economy takes care of itself. However, I think the Feds have been sloppy with Home-lending and interest rates during the Bush years. We are only seeing the BEGINNING of massive amounts of forclosures due to Wild-West style lending home-speculating. For that ONLY I give an edge to Clinton.
FOREIGN POLICY - Clinton in a LANDSLIDE.
SECURITY - Clinton. He was willing to listen to foreign policy experts like Richard Clarke and their opinions on Al Queda WAY before the Bush administration was - in fact, the Bush administration NEVER DID The Bush administration is SLEEPING on the next Al Queda right now - GUARANTEED.
HEALTHCARE - Clinton. Healthcare will always be a jumble-F but at least the Clintons tried to do something constructive and didn't just give BILLIONS of dollars in grants to drug companies.
EDUCATION - Clinton - ironically because he is a pragmatist while GW is WAY too optimistic. Sure - it's a nice idea to have 5 teachers in every classroom like "No Child Left Behind" proposes, but to really fund that you would have to have taxes UP THE WAZOO, whereas GW has put all this pressue on teachers while not funding the super super optimistic programs AT ALL.
STATE OF THE MILITARY - CLINTON in a LANDSLIDE.
The force that ripped the Taliban out of Afghanistan and took over Iraq in a week was Clinton's army. It was a precise, calculated machine. 6 years later and many 4-star generals resigned/fired, thousands of dead troops on bad intel and ignorant leadership, Military moral is at an all time low.
SOCIAL SECURITY - There is nothing wrong with offering folks the CHOICE to gamble their retirement on the stock market. Hell, I do. But it should not be mandatory.
IMMIGRATION - Bush. I like his plan. But Clinton does too. Go figure.
SCANDAL WITHIN ADMINISTRATION - Bush's were FAR worse.
SIZE OF GOVERNMENT - CLITNON IN A LANDSLIDE. Bush is spending all our damn tax money. He has put this country into more debt than any other President ever. Clitnon balanced the budget for the first time since Nixon. This is a no brainer.
Like I said. You have very little to offer.Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
Go sniff yr mom's panties. Everybody else has (her cunt smells like carpet cleaner)
No FRET5150 is...Or Vice Virsa.Originally posted by Warham
DEMON is FORD?
As opposed to you and your dumb shit, half-baked conspiracy theories?Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
Like I said. You have very little to offer.
Pssst...a little secret for you...not only was it a REAL commercial airliner that crashed into the WTC, but all of that money that comes in Monopoly games? IT'S NOT REAL!!!
Goodness. Try again after all of those beers have worn off.Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
Pssst...a little secret for you...not only was it a REAL commercial airliner that crashed into the WTC, but all of that money that comes in Monopoly games? IT'S NOT REAL!!!
Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
Why should you care? Because a number of innocents ALSO died as a result. Also, are you saying the mentally ill - people who should OBVIOUSLY, at the least, be on medication - should be left to their own devices at all times???
Reno fucked that one up. Even the NY Times fessed up to that one. So, if people want to kill themselves no one should stop them? So then, with that logic, the attacks on the WTC, the Penatgon, Bali, Madrid, India, and ANY suicide mission is A.O.K. by you???
If on 9-11 19 fuckwits decided to kill themselves in protest at the US propping up the evil regime in Saudi Arabia then that would be fine by me.
Killing other people at the same time is the problem...
Ah, but didn't innocents die along with the perpetrators in Waco? The answer is yes. And you've already said you have no prolem with Koresh's actions, despite a great number of innocents suffering and dying needlessly there...Originally posted by Seshmeister
If on 9-11 19 fuckwits decided to kill themselves in protest at the US propping up the evil regime in Saudi Arabia then that would be fine by me.
Killing other people at the same time is the problem...
See how the world actually spins?
ECONOMY - Clinton (No brainer)
FOREIGN POLICY - Bush (Are you for real? Travel overseas and find out. Clearly a Clinton success)
SECURITY - Bush (Really? 9/11, Katrina, NYC subway threats, WMDs, where is Osama? During Clinton the nation was safer and less paranoid)
HEALTHCARE - Draw (Agree on principle)
EDUCATION - Draw (Clinton provided the means for the Internet to take off, which enabled schools and colleges to offer distance learning classes over the web. Clinton also provided significant increases for funding graduate level education)
STATE OF THE MILITARY - Bush (Wake up! Bush hasn't even been able to provide troops in Iraq and Afghanistan with protective armor. Just ask any soldier coming from theater. Clinton provided funds for improving infrastructure at military bases and salary increases)
SOCIAL SECURITY - Draw (Clinton provided funds from the surplus to augment and preserve social security for the baby boomers. However, Bush took the money away and gave it to the richest 1% of Americans)
IMMIGRATION - Draw (Agree)
SCANDAL WITHIN ADMINISTRATION - Clinton (I'll call this one a draw. Clinton/Monica was a scandal, at least in the eyes of the conservative minority. However, Bush & Cheney's lies over WMDs are truly impeachable offenses)
SIZE OF GOVERNMENT - Draw (Bush has been the biggest spender the country has ever seen. He has king-sized the size of government and cannot say no to more bureaucracy)
CONCLUSION - The Clinton years were, without a doubt, 100% better than Dubya's or his father.
"Dave, these motherfuckers are out of line!!!"
Steve:
Very good comments on your part.
Thanks
What in the name of cunt was that post about?Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLESo, if people want to kill themselves no one should stop them? So then, with that logic, the attacks on the WTC, the Penatgon, Bali, Madrid, India, and ANY suicide mission is A.O.K. by you??? [/B]
If people want to kill themselves or put themselves in a position where they will be killed then they absolutely should be allowed to.
That's freedom.
What the fuck gives you or the government the right to stop them?
All of your examples are stupid because they involve people being killed by others, without signing up to some dumb crazy belief set, an entirely different thing.
Fuck Koresh and his retarded followers. Who gives a shit? It's called natural selection and theres not enough of it these days...
Cheers!
I totally disagree with that one. How could the US military possibly be in better shape after fighting two wars for over 3 years?Originally posted by Warham
STATE OF THE MILITARY - Bush
gnaw on it
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