Guns Don't Kill People, God Kills People

[LoungeMachine]

Organized Religion.

or Cult.

Sorry, but I still can't quite figure out the subtle differences.


Same goes for Islamic Fundamentalists and Christian Fundamentalists.

What's the difference other than the uniform?


Why do all religions claim if you follow THEIR teachings you will be rewarded eternal happiness, and if you DON'T you'll burn in hell?

Is a Christian theif and murderer a better person than the honest and peace loving Muslim? Really? Why?


I seriously wish some of you zealots in here would/could take a step back and see just how similar your views are to those you vilify.


And since you always seem to fall back on the "it's God's Plan" tact, instead of free will and/or cause & effect logic.....then how do you come to grips with the fact your God kills good people, including children, for no good reason.


I don't actually expect any cult members to defend anything in this thread, It's just my way of getting things out there for discusssion.

I like reading the views of other fence-sitting skeptics such as Sesh.

[Seshmeister]

Dude I've long since jumped over the fence, thrown a hand grenade behind me and then taken a flame thrower to the fence.

The only difference between cults and the big religions is how long they've been around and how many members they have.

Its that simple.

For example Scientology is insane. Anyone in their right mind can see that. Yet Christainity and Islam is almost as insane but the majority of people can't.

The last possible reason for organised religion/superstition was that it keeps stupid people in fear and makes them behave better and more morally through threats and promises of eternal life.

My gut feeling was this was bullshit but its now been statistically proved. In a recent survey of prison inmates in the US only 3% said they were atheists...

I've repeatedly made posts here asking for someone to give a point or an argument that made any sort of sense against the spectacular amount of evidence against any of it.

All we ever get in response is tha you have to have 'faith'. Faith is having a belief without any evidence.

The only difference between being agnostic or atheist is that athiests take the time to look into it. I probably know more about the history of Christiainity now than 95% of Christians which is kind of amazing when you think that I have done maybe 30 hours of reading on average they have gone to church for an hour every week for 30 years so 50 times as much time ignoring all the other shit like bible groups or whatnot.

Church attendance here is now at about 10% or less and Britain is pretty much a secular country so why do I rant on about it? Well firstly because the ruling elite like Blair are from the small minority and politicians here on the whole are or pretend to be superstitious. Secondly a the moment we are now effectively a satellite state of the US in the same way Eastern European countries were in the years of the Iron Curtain. Fuck knows why. We don't get shit in return.

For example there are 189 countries calling for a ceasefire in Lebanon at the moment. 3 aren't. The US, the UK and Israel.



Cheers!

[LoungeMachine]

Now that was worth waiting for.

Exactly.

Thanks Sesh.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
keeps stupid people in fear


Cheers!

[Seshmeister]

They should replace the cross on the top of your superstition misinformation centres with a big rolleyes smiley...

[ELVIS]

Superstition misinformation centres ??

[Nickdfresh]

Well, I don't confuse organized religion with the idea of spirituality of a possible God. But organized religion is anything BUT spiritual...

It stopped being so when early Christians began basing their hierarchy on the local Roman chain-of-command of city-state governments...

[Nickdfresh]

And it continues today with undereducated evangelicals thinking they find all the answers by the literal interpretation of a document selectively edited, and mistranslated over centuries by men seeking, or maintaining, power...

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
But organized religion is anything BUT spiritual...

How can you be so sure about that being an outside observer ??

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
And it continues today with undereducated evangelicals thinking they find all the answers by the literal interpretation of a document selectively edited, and mistranslated over centuries by men seeking, or maintaining, power...

LMAO!

You're nuttier than FORD...

By a long shot...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by ELVIS
How can you be so sure about that being an outside observer ??

Ask yourself the same question, cultist...

By being an independent, outside observer, one can be objective without all of the manipulation, "group think," and misinformation...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by ELVIS
LMAO!

You're nuttier than FORD...

By a long shot...

LMAO! Why don't you explain why? Offer an example?

You can't.

You have nothing but a crutch...

[Seshmeister]

BTW I'm the second coming. I am the son of god. Unfortuantely I don't have any proof of that whatsoever.

All you need is faith.

Worship me.

I may be talking shit but at least you know empirically I exist so that has to be an easier leap of faith...

[Seshmeister]

All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom,
He made their horrid wings.
All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.
Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid,
Who made the spikey urchin,
Who made the sharks, He did.
All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.
AMEN.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Superstition misinformation centres ??

Okay.

Centers.


Is that better, CULTVIS?