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    Edward Van Halen A Thief?

    Van Halen A Thief?
    sleazeroxx.com reports: In a recent interview with www.sleazeroxx.com, former Johnny Crash guitarist Christopher Neelley talked about his days on the Sunset Strip scene. The following are some of Chris' comments from the interview:

    "I once told Axl (Rose) when he was working at Tower Video on Sunset that he should join my band because that Guns and Roses thing is going nowhere. Months later I auditioned Izzy Stradlin and his buddy Chris Webber. They insisted that they came as a duo and would not accept a gig unless both were hired. I told Chris he had the gig if he wanted it but not Izzy because he sucked and would never do anything as a guitarist. LOL"

    "Everything Eddie Van Halen did and got credited with inventing was because Randy Rhoads did it first. Randy invented the second hand on the fret board. He was doing it years before Eddie got famous doing it. Randy knew he was onto something and he actually used to turn his back to the audience when he would do it. I remember hearing the first Van Halen album and thinking what a rip off of Randy. Van Halen was very entertaining. They used to do Motown tunes and hum the horn parts, it was really pretty funny. Had no idea they would be that huge. They were friends with a band called SNOW (pure uncut rock) that featured Carlos Cavazo. I always thought Snow was the band that was going places LOL.

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    LOL

    Everything this guy said or thought turned out to be wrong.

    So i guess the chances of him being wrong about Eddie are pretty high.


    I'm glad he's not out there offering advice to people wether it be financially or emotionally.

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    Randy used to say in interviews that everything he did he copied from Eddie. Ed gave him props in subsequent interviews when asked about Randy by saying Randy was very good and very honest(about ripping Ed off)

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    You can hear bits and pieces of things done by Hendrix, Beck, Page and Blackmore that turned up in EVH's style, but this is the first time I've heard anyone say that not only did RR "invent" the second hand on the fretboard, but that EVH swiped the technique from him and didn't give him credit for it.

    Sounds like bullshit.
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    Randy admitted he copped much of Ed's stuff.
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    Great find Rustoffa!

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    Originally posted by Terry
    You can hear bits and pieces of things done by Hendrix, Beck, Page and Blackmore that turned up in EVH's style, but this is the first time I've heard anyone say that not only did RR "invent" the second hand on the fretboard, but that EVH swiped the technique from him and didn't give him credit for it.

    Sounds like bullshit.
    My thoughts exactly.

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    Originally posted by PHOENIX
    Great find Rustoffa!
    GAR posted that awhile back. Took me awhile to find it!

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    Ed never claimed to have invented the technique.

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    Re: Edward Van Halen A Thief?

    Originally posted by PHOENIX
    Van Halen A Thief?
    "Everything Eddie Van Halen did and got credited with inventing was because Randy Rhoads did it first. Randy invented the second hand on the fret board. He was doing it years before Eddie got famous doing it. I remember hearing the first Van Halen album and thinking what a rip off of Randy.


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    I thought it was going to read EVH breaks into the Smokin Loon factory and steals cases of Cabs



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    Originally posted by rustoffa
    GAR posted that awhile back. Took me awhile to find it!
    Gay Ass Retard actually posted something cool and i missed it?:confused:

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    Originally posted by DavidFlamma
    Ed never claimed to have invented the technique.
    That is correct. He said he got most of the idea from Alan Holdsworth.

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    YOU BASTARDS.....It was all stolen from bobgnote!

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    Originally posted by AJW
    That is correct. He said he got most of the idea from Alan Holdsworth.
    Actually, I have an article around here somewhere in which Ed says he originally got the idea from watching Billy Gibbons hammer-on a single note. He went on to say something about Zep's "Heartbreaker" and thinking "What if you moved that pattern around?"

    I recently moved, it's in a box somewhere...or I would transcribe it....

    and oh yeah....

    Originally posted by jcook11
    YOU BASTARDS.....It was all stolen from bobgnote!
    Here's the only thing anyone's ever stolen from that asshat....

    Last edited by jhale667; 08-14-2006 at 10:27 PM.

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    Eddie praised Alan Holdsworth so often in most interviews that I picked up an album and listened once but couldnt get through it a second time.

    RR was amazing and it was cool how they respected each others techniques and talent.
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    Originally posted by van hln CA

    RR was amazing and it was cool how they respected each others techniques and talent.
    To hear those who were there (and I have ) tell it, the Holy Trinity of guitar in LA in the late 70s was Eddie, Rhoads, and George Lynch.

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    Steve Hackett was another who had a tapping technique early on.

    Tapping is always what people associate with Ed's playing, but he had a lot more going on than just tapping and whammy bar dives.

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    I read an interview with Ozzy about five years ago where the double OO said that Randy used to be pissed becuase Eddie knicked his stuff...


    I've never heard it that way myself...
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    It was Ed who turned his back to the crowd...

    I never heard that about Randy...



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    I never thought Eddie and Randy sounded all that similar myself.

    You guys should hear the shit Randy's working on now though. He's doing some classical shit with Wagner that would curl your horns!
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    I remember Randy saying it pissed him off to "play Eddie Van Halen licks live...cuz it's what the kids want...". Meaning he did the tapping thing because it took off in the early 80's......

    I never remember Randy saying he got "everything" or "learned" or "stole" everything from EVH...quite the contrary...Randy was a lot like EVH in that respect...he didn't really acknowledge his guitar influences...

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    Originally posted by rustoffa
    GAR posted that awhile back. Took me awhile to find it!
    GAR swiped it from me... two handed tapping goes back to the 40's actually but that book is the 1st documented version of it.

    The initial article lost all credibility when started out about Axl...
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    Originally posted by jhale667
    Actually, I have an article around here somewhere in which Ed says he originally got the idea from watching Billy Gibbons hammer-on a single note. He went on to say something about Zep's "Heartbreaker" and thinking "What if you moved that pattern around?"


    Wow Billy Gibbons? That is the first time I have heard that one. I did though hear about the Led Zeppelin gig he went to and got some ideas that way. I still think some of it came from Holdswworth as well.

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    Fuckin' Ed. I hate him. He never would have got ANYWHERE without dave.

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    Thank God Ed didn't steal Randy's tone. No offence cause I loved Randy and still love Ozzy, but when I listen to Randy now his compressed tone SOUNDS like 1981. When I listen to Fair Warning from around the same time Ed's tone still sounds like multiple nuclear explosions.
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    this guy invented the 2 finger tapping perhaps.

    ps. i got 4 mp3s of blueretard on dave radio at my site.
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    Also...this instrument is very old..from Africa to Brazil and it requires finger tapping 'n shit.


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    But at least Eddie is the first one using powertools and dildos on his guitar.

    and its stupid to comnpare people like that i think.
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    i was watchin this clip of zappa om mike douglas show who just died.
    The comment on utube was like:he's tappin before eddie..lol
    awsome clip:
    at 5.40 min he starts tappin..lol
    cool
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dXTifyOu3Y


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    at 7.oo min he sounds like satriani/vai

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    Jimmy Walker and Kenny Rogers with Frank..LOL
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    Originally posted by PHOENIX
    LOL

    Everything this guy said or thought turned out to be wrong.

    So i guess the chances of him being wrong about Eddie are pretty high.
    The fact that I've heard Ace Frehley tappin' like a mofo back in '75 would be all I need to know he's full of shit.

    this guy's a moron
    gnaw on it

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    Originally posted by bluemustard
    huahuhauhauhua
    i was watchin this clip of zappa om mike douglas show who just died.
    The comment on utube was like:he's tappin before eddie..lol
    awsome clip:
    at 5.40 min he starts tappin..lol
    cool
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dXTifyOu3Y


    <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/4dXTifyOu3Y"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/4dXTifyOu3Y" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
    That's some wild shit. Good stuff.

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    Originally posted by binnie
    I read an interview with Ozzy about five years ago where the double OO said that Randy used to be pissed becuase Eddie knicked his stuff...
    Ozzy is so god-dammed fucking stupid that sometimes he does not even realize what he just said....Eddie TOWERS over Randy

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    They are 2 different styles, Eddie played more blues based stuff, Randy was into neo-classical, more structured things. To say that one towers over the other is just ignorance. They were both great.
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    Originally posted by matt19
    They are 2 different styles, Eddie played more blues based stuff, Randy was into neo-classical, more structured things. To say that one towers over the other is just ignorance. They were both great.
    Sorry but Ed did tower over Randy. Ed also was a whole lot more than blused based, Push comes to Shove is about as outside as you could get for a solo in a 4 piece rock band song

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    Originally posted by matt19
    They are 2 different styles, Eddie played more blues based stuff, Randy was into neo-classical, more structured things. To say that one towers over the other is just ignorance. They were both great.
    Ed's record sales certainly towered over Randy's

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    Re: Edward Van Halen A Thief?

    Originally posted by PHOENIX
    Edward Van Halen A Thief?


    No.

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