John Wayne: El Dorado vs. Rio Bravo

[Hardrock69]

Ok so here ya gots two classic John Wayne westerns with virtually identical plot lines.

I will compare them side by side in a manner of speaking just for the fuck of it.





Plot for both films: Sherriff in town has turned into a drunk. The Evil Land Baron Asshole Scum and his hired buncha shit-heads seek to take advantage of this by taking over the town, and killing anyone who gets in his way. John Wayne shows up in town
to help his old friend (said drunk sherriff) defeat the forces of E-vil along with the usual cast of supporting cretins.

1. John Wayne:

A. El Dorado:



B. Rio Bravo




1. Drunk Sherriff -

A. El Dorado - Robert Mitchum:


At one point in the film, Duke says to Robert Mitchum he is looking at a "tin star with a drunk pinned on it".


B. Rio Bravo - Dean Martin:



Willing to fish a silver dollar out of a spitoon in order to get another drink.....another "tin star with a drunk pinned on it."


2. Sherrif's Deputy/sidekick:

A. El Dorado: Arthur Hunnicutt:



Likes to blow a bugle....plays the part of an ex-indian fighter.

B. Walter Brennan:



An actor who was great at playing an "old goober". Almost blasts Dean Martin's head off in the film, not that Dean would feel anything, as not only was he playing a drunk in the film, he was an expert drunk in real life.


3. John Wayne's sidekick:


A. El Dorado: James Caan:




B. Rio Bravo: Ricky Nelson



4. The Bad Guy:

A. El Dorado: Ed Asner



A sneaky little shit, who is rich, but a fucking pussy, and has to hire his muscle - Christopher George:



B. Rio Bravo: John Russell:



Veteran character actor in Westerns dating back to the 50s. Also played the leader of the posse who tried in vain to take out Clint Eastwood at the end of Pale Rider, only to receive an air-conditioned brain for his trouble:

[Hardrock69]

5. The Love Interests.

Kinda interesting here, as John Wayne's sidekick in each film gets a love interest in addition to John Wayne. The by now sober sherriff, as well as his sidekick only get each other.

Christ...can you imagine Robert Mitchum bending Arthur Hunnicutt over a table? Or Dean Martin getting a gum job from Walter Brennan?

BLEAH!!!

Anyway....

A. El Dorado:

John Wayne gets Charlene Holt as "Maudie":



She is kinda like, the mature MILF-type woman who is waiting for the Duke to settle down so she can get some Little Duke every night. By the end of this film, Mississippi (James Caan) has shot Duke in the leg, so he is running around on crutches....but I bet he can still fuck!

His side kick Mississippi (being a pretty famous actor in his own right by this time) aside from getting some, he even gets a scene where he gets to make hay with his love interest, Michele Carey:


She starred opposite of Elvis a couple of years later in a movie, and is hot enough that she deserves a special visual mention:




B. Rio Lobo: THIS fucking movie was cool....as John Wayne's love interest was none other than a young Angie Dickinson, who was playing the vamp, and CLEARLY wanted to suck John Wayne's dick:



B. El Dorado: Ricky Nelson, is a really wooden actor, but perhaps he was able to get some wood for this chick, the senorita who lived on the edge of town:




He WANTS Angie Dickinson bad....here he drools while she gets drunk cause John Wayne won't allow her to suck his dick yet, but of course being a minor co-star, he ain't getting NONE o' dat!:





Trailers:



El Dorado


RIO LOBO

In Rio Lobo, we got to hear a small musical interlude, as there were two musical stars in the cast.

Here is a scene were Walter Brennan gets down on Harp, and Ricky Nelson plays guitar and sings, and Dean Martin does what he does best: Lies flat on his back drunk while singing:

[Hardrock69]

It should be noted that these movies were both directed by Howard Hawks, as well as a third one which ALSO was pretty much a kind of "remake" called "Rio Lobo".



This movie starred:

Our hero, John Wayne:



Jennifer O'Neill



The sidekick, this time played by Wild-Eyed Jack Aleam:




Oh and there was a cool almost boobage scene in here with Sherry Lansing:



It also had Robert Mitchum's son Christopher in it:



As well as George Plimpton, as "gunfighter #4".

It was a fairly forgettable movie.


Out of all these "similar" movies made by John Wayne in the 60s, one scene in particular stands out, and is one of my favorites.


It is in the film "The Sons Of Katie Elder", which coincidentally also has Dean Martin in it.

Oh, and John Wayne too!

George Kennedy has a role as a scumbag whose boss is trying to take over the town, and who fucked over John Wayne's mom (Katie Elder) and murdered his dad.

Of course John Wayne is pissed off, and is back in town to fuck these worthless fuckers UP!


So anyhow, he goes in to talk to his friend the undertaker who is swabbing down the hearse.

After John leaves, scumbag George comes creeping around, and starts trying to drown the undertaker unless he tells him what John Wayne was talking to him about.

Little does Scumbag Geoerge realize that John has crept back in, and when he turns around and sees him, The Duke bashes his face in with an axe handle!!


If I had the DVD, I would post screenshots, as there are no pics of this scene on the net.

I just love watching movies where scum get their just rewards....


Ok so that is all...just was thinking about these films today as I saw El Dorado over the weekend.

John Wayne rules!!!

[bastardog]

I prefer Clint Eastwood movies....
John Wayne was too much of a good guy.

[bastardog]

I will liked to see a Clint Eastwood vs John Wayne hand gun duel.

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by Hardrock69

His side kick Mississippi

Alan Badillion Trahern.

[EbDawson]

Of the 2, I prefer El Dorado.

[Hardrock69]

I forgot to point out the other main similarity between stories. In both cases, the good guys are holed up in the jail, because they have the bad guy or the bad guy's scum relative in jail, and the bad guys henchmen or the bad guy himself wants them released.


"HEY YOU IN THE JAIL!!!!"

[CROWBAR]

Good descriptions hardrock. I go with El Dorado.

[Little Texan]

Anyone ever used John Wayne toilet paper? It's rough and tough and don't take no shit off nobody!

[Little Texan]

Around here John Wayne is like a God...everyone has a picture of John Wayne hanging on the wall, and you don't dare say anything derrogatory about him unless you want to get the piss knocked out of you!

[CROWBAR]

Originally posted by Little Texan
Anyone ever used John Wayne toilet paper? It's rough and tough and don't take no shit off nobody!

Ha Ha! Hey man, send me a roll or two!

[Nitro Express]

Rio Lobo. The train hyjack scenes are cool and I want to bang all the chicks in the movie.

[Hardrock69]

Hell yeah!

[Hardrock69]

Ok here it is.....from the Sons Of Katie Elder...George Kennedy is laughing like some kind of sick nutjob....Duke gives him a new nosejob...for free!!!

As I don't have broadband, I cannot put up a high quality file.

But that is ok...you can still see what is happening...


http://rapidshare.de/files/30020672/..._Face.wmv.html

[ULTRAMAN VH]

THE DUKE at the top of his game!!!!!

[Nitro Express]

I met John Wayne when I was a Kid. My family used to rent a beach house in Newport Beach every summer. John Wayne had a home on the marina. There was a resturant called the Crab Cooker. It's still there and is kind of a Newport Beach icon.

Anyways, John Wayne came to get a bite to eat and he was saying hi to the people waiting in line to get in the place. I remember him shaking my hand and saying in that famouse voice," How' are you doing little guy?" He was just like he was in the movies. I deffinately knew who he was. Probably one of the most recognized movie stars in history.

[Hardrock69]

You lucky bastard....

One of his co-stars used to own a fairly large ranch about 60 miles north of Wichita. Dammit I cannot remember his name right offhand, but he was in many westerns and many movies with John Wayne.

A friend of mine met John once, as John used to occasionally fly out to Kansas to stay at the ranch for a week or two at a time just to hang out and get away from it all....I forget the details.

How cool it would be to meet such a legendary actor!

[Nitro Express]

I probably was 8 years old when I met him. He liked the Crab Cookers clam chowder. Usually he would send someone or sometimes wait in the car while the driver ran in, but that evening the Duke wanted to be with the people.

Newport Beach was basically a middle class surfers town and family vacation spot. John Wayne was the first celebrity to move down there, so naming the Orange County Airport after him is very propper.

[Hardrock69]

He is buried not too far from there as well....in Corona Del Mar.




http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...owCemPhotos=Y&


Man why does he just have that little headstone????

He deserves some kind of fucking MONUMENT!!!

[Hardrock69]

Hey WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT??????

When I did a search on findagrave.com, I typed in "John Wayne".

The FIRST fucking listing that came up...ABOVE the name of the legendary Actor John Wayne, was the goddamned pervert motherfucking klown John Wayne Gacy!!!!

[Hardrock69]

I sent them a rude email.

[Hardrock69]

Fuckers.

[Nitro Express]

Moreen O'hara would rip their balls off for such blasphemy.

[Nitro Express]

I have the John Wayne Comemorative Winchester Model 94 with the big ass lever loop on it so you can to the True Grit Twirl if you want to. They sold them in the 80's. I'm never selling it.

[Hardrock69]

I bought a Winchester 94 in 1972...why? From watching all the John Wayne and Kirk Douglas films.

Of course, because they were in every cowboy movie ever made also.

It was a pretty cool rifle...perfect size for a 12-year-old (being a carbine).

I see them now at gun shows and they look so small to me.

[BigBadBrian]

Great thread.

I watch Duke movies whenever they are on.

Watched El Dorado actually this past weekend.

I agree with Hardrock when he called Charlene Holt a Milf. She was hot for her day.

Personally I prefer El Dorado over Rio Bravo since I also like Robert Mitchum.

[Hardrock69]

I said it before, I'll say it again....that pic in your sig is the fucking SHIT!!!

[bastardog]

So........John Wayne was better than Eastwood?

[bastardog]

What all of you are trying to tell me is that the John Wayne was better than Eastwood on Western movies? How is that possible?

[Hardrock69]

No...you are imagining things.

Better is in the eye of the beholder.

HOWEVER....John Wayne had already been a MOVIE STAR for 20 years before Clint even got his first bit part in a cheesy flick in the 50s....

I say John Wayne is more legendary than Clint as far as Westerns go.

But they each had their different styles....and Clint surely ranks up there in the top 5....Clint is a better actor I feel....he has certainly taken on a larger variety of roles.....and Idon't think the Duke ever directed...

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
..John Wayne had already been a MOVIE STAR for 20 years before Clint even got his first bit part in a cheesy flick in the 50s....

There's a western that pops up from time to time on the western channel. Ambush at Cimarron Pass. 1958. It's got a very young Clint in it, must have been before his Rawhide days.

[Hardrock69]

He was a contract actor at Universal by something like 1955 or 56. His first role was (uncredited) as a lab technician in "The Revenge Of The Creature" in 1955.



John Wayne's first film role was (also uncredited) as a Yale football player in "Brown Of Harvard" from 1926. So he got his start 29 years before Clint, in the silent-film era.

His first starring role was in "The Big Trail" in 1930.

The Big Trail:

[bastardog]

In terms of legendary I agree 100% that Wayne is da man.
But comparing just the westerns......do you think that Wayne was better actor than Eastwood? or that the movies were better?

Maybe I have only seen the Wayne bad movies and the Eastwood good ones.......but Eastwood movies give me that feeling that makes you want to be a forbiden cowboy......while Wayne movies just entertainme a lot

[Hardrock69]

Post #31:

Clint is a better actor I feel....he has certainly taken on a larger variety of roles.....and I don't think the Duke ever directed...

[bastardog]

port #34

Originally posted by bastardog

But COMPARING JUST THE WESTERNS......do you think that Wayne was better actor than Eastwood? or that the movies were better?

So you wanted me to post the question again...?

[Hardrock69]

No I wanted you to read the statement I made in post #31...it is the answer to the question...before you even asked the question....

[bastardog]

Sorry, I was angry again

Anyway since all this posts about John Wayne, I'm more aware to the Western channel movies looking for Wayne movies

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
You lucky bastard....

One of his co-stars used to own a fairly large ranch about 60 miles north of Wichita. Dammit I cannot remember his name right offhand, but he was in many westerns and many movies with John Wayne.

A friend of mine met John once, as John used to occasionally fly out to Kansas to stay at the ranch for a week or two at a time just to hang out and get away from it all....I forget the details.

How cool it would be to meet such a legendary actor!

I found this thread again by accident...and to answer my own question (I musta had amnesia that day) Ben Johnson was the actor who owned some land north of Wichita, KS where the Duke used to hang out sometimes to get away from it all...

Also this thread is worthy of bumpage just on general principle...