A lot of catalogue to work with here....For me, it's again an easy one. I would have said Steel Wheels until Bridges to Babylon came out. Over the years, some tunes on SW have grown on me, but none from BTB have. I even had trouble getting into Keith's songs, which I NEVER did before. I always considered Keith's tunes little jewels on even the great Stones albums...but BTB was just an album that doesn't do it for me.
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EVERYTHING after SOME GIRLS....
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Matt...EVERYTHING after Some Girls is the WORST of the Stones? They never did anything better? That's like saying EVERYTHING after VH1....
"Saint of Me" ranks up there with "Sympaty for the Devil" with me.
I liked a lot of Tattoo You but from there the gems are hard to find on each release. Some grow on you , sure. Most don't though.
I wish they'd lay off the live albums though. Ya-Ya's is a work of art, and they've trampled it by burying it under subpar performances captured on silica.
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"Tattoo You"....fan-fucking-tastic album.
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Voodoo lounge is a fantastic album.the new one is pretty good also.
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Seems we're having trouble with the "worst" part of this thread....
HA!
I'm only a casual Stones fan, so I'll stay out of this one.
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Even though there are some bright spots (Little T & A, Undercover), I would pretty much have to agreeOriginally posted by Matt White
EVERYTHING after SOME GIRLS....
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I find a lot of their early tunes very boring, but it's mainly because of that typical sound of the sixties. I wish they had re-recorded them between 1968 and 72...
Anyway the one album that I never could bear (I have ALL their records, plus many live boots and a lot of unreleased studio stuff) is "Bridges to Babylon". Despite a couple of good moments, it really is a pain in the butt.
"Anybody seen my baby" sure is the "schlechtest" song they've ever recorded. What a ridiculous piece of dung!
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Sorry Mr. V.......but everything after SOME GIRLS basically sucks....IMOOriginally posted by Mr. Vengeance
Matt...EVERYTHING after Some Girls is the WORST of the Stones? They never did anything better? That's like saying EVERYTHING after VH1....
When Keith & Mick stopped writing together....
Never cared for It's Only Rock And Roll
Black And Blue I can take or leave
Undercover is a bit dodgy on some tracks
Dirty Work isn't a completely satisfying listen, either
Listened to Steel Wheels a lot when it was first released, and enjoyed much of it at the time, but nowadays (with the exception of Terrifying, Hold On To Your Hat and Break The Spell), find it disposable
Flashpoint was a waste of money
Voodoo Lounge was a slightly better effort than Steel Wheels, but had a lot of pap on it, as well
Bridges had a few good tracks on it
Haven't bothered with the latest one
Didn't really care for much of what they did prior to Between The Buttons, either.
So, that leaves the following as essential Stones for me:
Between The Buttons
Their Satanic Majesty's Request
Let It Bleed
Get Yer Ya Ya's Out
Sticky Fingers
Exile On Main Street
Goat's Head Soup
Love You Live
Some Girls
Emotional Rescue
Tattoo You
Still Life
The rest of their catalouge can more or less fuck off, save for an odd track here and there
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The worst of the Stones for me is Steel Wheels. I NEVER go back and listen to that one. Voodoo has its moments, and BTB - although there are no songs I feel any great affection towards - is solid, professional craftsmanship.
Song-wise, the worst BY FAR is VL's "Sweethears Together". Charlie sounds like he's going to drop dead from boredom by the first chorus. AWFUL.
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P.S. Tattoo You is among their very best, and there are bits of Dirty Work that are also fanfuckintastic.
Solid, but how can you possibly omit Beggars Banquet??? And there are parts of Black and Blue - "Melody", "Hey Negrita", and yes, "Fool To Cry" - that are among their best post-Exile work.Originally posted by Terry
So, that leaves the following as essential Stones for me:
Between The Buttons
Their Satanic Majesty's Request
Let It Bleed
Get Yer Ya Ya's Out
Sticky Fingers
Exile On Main Street
Goat's Head Soup
Love You Live
Some Girls
Emotional Rescue
Tattoo You
Still Life
The rest of their catalouge can more or less fuck off, save for an odd track here and there
The only truly bad Stones album was "Satanic Majesties Request", and even that one had some redeeming moments (2000 Light Years From Home)
The Stones worst overall period was 1982 - 1989. The band didn't tour at all during this time, and released only two studio albums, Undercover in 1983 and Dirty Work in 1986.
Undercover was a largely disposable album apart from the title track and Keith's "Wanna Hold You". Maybe "She Was Hot", but the main flaw was in the production. They were trying to make a 20 year old (at the time) veteran rock band sound like the latest new wave hairdo to come over from London and it didn't work.
The choice of producer for Dirty Work was much more solid. Steve Lillywhite, who produced U2's first three albums (and has worked off and on with them ever since) seemed like the right guy for the job. Unfortunately even the best producer can't save a band on the edge of a civil war. As a result, Dirty Work ends up sounding more like a bootleg of unfinished demos. I'm sure thy scared Lillywhite away for good, but it would have been interesting to hear his take on Steel Wheels or Voodoo Lounge.
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i love 'brown sugar'
what era was that from ?
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Sticky Fingers (1971)Originally posted by flappo
i love 'brown sugar'
what era was that from ?
i heard that powerage was keith richards' fave ac/dc album
he has grate taste
I would have thought Keith liked the early stuff better, when Angus was doing the recycled Chuck Berry riffs.Originally posted by flappo
i heard that powerage was keith richards' fave ac/dc album
he has grate taste
Kinda like how Keith started out himself.
... and "2000 Man", "She's a Rainbow"and "On with the show" IMO. But I'd rather keep "TSMR" and get rid of "Voodoo Lounge", "Bridges of B." and even "A Bigger Bang" altogether.Originally posted by FORD
The only truly bad Stones album was "Satanic Majesties Request", and even that one had some redeeming moments (2000 Light Years From Home)
"Undercover" and "Dirty Work" (despite the awful recording conditions for the latter, Keith, Ron and Charlie working on their own, calling themselves "The Beef Hitler Trio", surely after an idea of Keith's, and Mick recording his vocals all alone) sound more coherent to me than "Voodoo Lounge" (too many ballads, a few good rockers though, but nothing indispensable in there), "Bridges to Babylon" (above all) and "A Bigger Bang", which could well have been shortened to 10 tracks...The Stones worst overall period was 1982 - 1989. The band didn't tour at all during this time, and released only two studio albums, Undercover in 1983 and Dirty Work in 1986.
Undercover was a largely disposable album apart from the title track and Keith's "Wanna Hold You". Maybe "She Was Hot", but the main flaw was in the production. They were trying to make a 20 year old (at the time) veteran rock band sound like the latest new wave hairdo to come over from London and it didn't work.
I like "Undercover" a lot. "Undercover of the night", "She was hot", "Too much blood", "It must be hell" (in spite of the riff that sounds a lot like the one on "Soul survivor", but it sounds so Stones-like) and "Pretty beat up" (which drags a sticky, heavy groove but sounds very powerful, composed by Ron Wood) are great Stones moments I think.
"Wanna hold you" is very far from being amongst Keith's best tunes IMO.
"Steel Wheels" is still good vintage (for the Stones, which means great stuff for nearly any other band). I saw them on stage at that time in Paris in 1990, maybe I'm influenced by that, but I still see it as a very solid album, with only one weak moment, Keith's "Can't be seen".
BTW I think that on "A Bigger Bang" Keef sang his first worthy song with the Stones since "Too rude" on "Dirty Work".
It's definitely "Bridges to Babylon" that I find was a total mess.
The two tracks that are commonly said to stand out, "Out of control" and "Saint of me", aren't Stones music IMO. It's Jagger solo. I will keep that album in my collection for only one reason, that is I wouldn't like a single element to be missing in my complete collection.
Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
Solid, but how can you possibly omit Beggars Banquet??? And there are parts of Black and Blue - "Melody", "Hey Negrita", and yes, "Fool To Cry" - that are among their best post-Exile work.
Missed Beggar's Banquet! How the FUCK did I miss that one!?
Yes, Beggar's Banquet MUST be included on ANYBODY's essential Stones list.
I still stand by Black and Blue as among the worst.
Fool To Cry is an early stop along the long slide Jagger made towards poofdom following Goat's Head Soup. Just an insipid, lame ballad. Emotional Rescue has a sort of retroactive humor in terms of that poncy falsetto Jagger uses, but FTC just does nothing for me.
I once read that when AC/DC released "Back in Black", Mick was pissed because Keith wouldn't listen to anything else for weeks.Originally posted by FORD
I would have thought Keith liked the early stuff better, when Angus was doing the recycled Chuck Berry riffs.
Kinda like how Keith started out himself.
"Powerage" is my fave too.
On the "Toronto Rocks" DVD, you see the Stones jamming with the Young bros on "Rock me baby", and they're visibly having a great time, I mean the Youngs and Keith and Ronnie.
They could have chosen another tune though, "Rock me baby" being a bit too hackneyed.
Anyone who wants to put Black and Blue on a worst list, has never listened to it. "Hand of Fate" alone, makes it classic Stones.
It was an album that featured a number of guitarists, vying for Mick Taylor's spot. Eventually they chose Woody.
Sorry, guy. Gave it a fair listen. Just not up there with Sticky Fingers or Exile in my book. Glad you like it, though.Originally posted by Mr. Vengeance
Anyone who wants to put Black and Blue on a worst list, has never listened to it. "Hand of Fate" alone, makes it classic Stones.
It was an album that featured a number of guitarists, vying for Mick Taylor's spot. Eventually they chose Woody.
Peace
I like "Black and Blue" a lot too, though they took another direction there, it clearly was a transition in their discography.Originally posted by Mr. Vengeance
Anyone who wants to put Black and Blue on a worst list, has never listened to it. "Hand of Fate" alone, makes it classic Stones.
It was an album that featured a number of guitarists, vying for Mick Taylor's spot. Eventually they chose Woody.
I'm a J. Geils Band fan as well, so I dig "Hot Stuff" pretty much.
And yes, "Hand of Fate" is a great tune, it's Wayne Perkins on lead guitar and he sounds really good, plus I love the riff and Mick sounds inspired!
"Hey Negrita" really makes it too - "inspiration by Ron Wood" - and it's a shame they never played that one on stage - or maybe during the tour that followed, but I don't think so.
There's nothing in the rest of the record that's really not worthy of the Stones IMO.
And "Crazy Mama" is one of my top ten fave Stones songs.
There's a dude from Sydney who did his own animation for that song (it's said to be featured on the Rolling Stones' official website!) :
http://www.exile.com.au/stones/
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Well, what albums are? You have to look at that 5 year run the Stones had, of Beggars Banquet, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main Street as possibly being unmatched in rock history.Originally posted by Terry
Sorry, guy. Gave it a fair listen. Just not up there with Sticky Fingers or Exile in my book. Glad you like it, though.
Peace
The problem here is again that people lose focus on what the threads are about. The point was to pick the "worst" album the bands did. Instead, and as usual, we get people who list 2/3 of the catalogue, or just say, "everything after X album" or are listing individual songs.....Kind of like when I asked what ONE song people thought defined RnR for them, and some people listed over 90 songs....
Black and Blue becomes an even better album when you consider the tracks also recorded, but not released on that album. Had a 70 minute CD been the standard format in 1976, the album would have also included "Worried About You", "Slave", possibly even "Start Me Up" which began as a reggae song during these sessions but was eventually shelved, then pulled out again for Some Girls, almost completed, and then stuck back in the vault, to have Mick pull it back out in 1981, throw a vocal overdub on the thing and suddenly have a huge hit single good enough to sell an album of leftovers (Tattoo You) and a world tour.Originally posted by Mr. Vengeance
Anyone who wants to put Black and Blue on a worst list, has never listened to it. "Hand of Fate" alone, makes it classic Stones.
It was an album that featured a number of guitarists, vying for Mick Taylor's spot. Eventually they chose Woody.
Bridges to Babylon falls short for the same reason that Goats Head Soup or Emotional Rescue fell short. You have the epic album first (Exile, Some Girls, Voodoo Lounge) and then you go back in the studio and record (or at least overdub) the songs that weren't good enough for the previous record.
FORD -
I'm shocked - SHOCKED! - that you could say Satanic Majesties is among their worst. It's deifintely the most uncharacteristic album in their catalog, but that's exactly why it's so much better than material like Steel Wheels, where it's the Stones by numbers, performing what they know will work in the most calculated sense.
"2000 Man" is, in my opinion, the most overlooked Stones song of all. Great stuff, as is the more familiar material like "She's a Rainbow" and "Light Years".
Oh, and Jerome...it was not the "Beef Hitler Trio", but rather "BIFF Hitler". And it was Steve Jordan - not Charlie (who apparently had a raging heroin addiciton at the time) -who was the third member of the unit.
(also as a side note, Richards would only address Jagger as "Brenda" at the time. Go figure...)
Satanic Majesty is okay. I think that it has a bit of a nostalgia thing at this point. They were trying to come up with their answer to Sgt. Pepper and failed badly. There are good moments, but as an album on the whole, it's just a little wishy washy. In a way, it drove the Stones to the roots rock that would kick ass!
For an album that was all leftovers, I really like Tattoo You. It just has a feel to it. Songs like Black Limosine, Waiting on a Friend, Neighbours, Slave, Hang Fire, and one of Keith's best tunes, Little T n A, all filling the album out. How these songs didn't make it onto Emotional Rescue ahead of something like Dance Pt 2...I don't get it....Originally posted by FORD
, throw a vocal overdub on the thing and suddenly have a huge hit single good enough to sell an album of leftovers (Tattoo You) and a world tour.
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You're right. Biff. "Beef"...Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
Oh, and Jerome...it was not the "Beef Hitler Trio", but rather "BIFF Hitler". And it was Steve Jordan - not Charlie (who apparently had a raging heroin addiciton at the time) -who was the third member of the unit.
Yet I'm not sure that Charlie ever got rid of heroin...
(also as a side note, Richards would only address Jagger as "Brenda" at the time. Go figure...)Brenda...
"[I]Let somebody do the dirty work,
Find some loser, find some jerk,
Get some grease ball... yeah!"
And to think that most critics bashed them for that album, whereas in retrospect it's better than what followed, "Steel Wheels" included, those I like the latter a lot too.
BTW, they did kickass videos for a decade, 1974-1983... From "It's only rock 'n' roll" (hilarious, under that tent with the bubble machine
In between, I loved when they'd play more or less live for the circumstance, Charlie's indifferent look in his eyes, Mick overexcited, Keith and Ronnie stoned as could be and giggling Bill who seemed to discover the words during the shooting of the vid ("Miss you", "Start me up")...
I wish they would release that old CBS compilation of their videos of the 70s-early 80s, there were real gems in it like "Waiting on a friend", "So cold", "Start me up", "Neighbors", and the three from "Undercover".
On the contrary, and back into topic, the vid they did for "Angie" is unbearable IMO. A real drag. It's very embarrassing for a Stones fan that they committed such a piece of shit.
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One of my favorite Keith moments is in the video for Emotional Rescue...He and Woody are so fucked up, and when Mick is doing the whole spoken part about the "fine Arab charger, coming to your emotional rescue" there's that bass part that goes "Doo doo doo..do do do" And Keith just sort of walks through the shot in a daze....I laugh my ass off everytime I see that!!!!!
See your point. Still think Black And Blue sucks, though...Originally posted by Mr. Vengeance
Well, what albums are? You have to look at that 5 year run the Stones had, of Beggars Banquet, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main Street as possibly being unmatched in rock history.
The problem here is again that people lose focus on what the threads are about. The point was to pick the "worst" album the bands did. Instead, and as usual, we get people who list 2/3 of the catalogue, or just say, "everything after X album" or are listing individual songs.....Kind of like when I asked what ONE song people thought defined RnR for them, and some people listed over 90 songs....
The next one's not out yet so I've got to say the newest one. I have tried to like it but I gave up. Tattoo You was the last and best of the Stones.
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So, I've just counted albums that were clearly stated as the "worst", that is for 5 posters, it goes:
1. Bridges to Babylon (2)
2. Steel Wheels (1)
Black and Blue (1)
the next album (1)
Of early perod Stones (pre-Beggars Banquet), the best is Between the Buttons.
"Cponnection", ":Yesterdays Papers", "Miss Amanda Jones"...great stuff!!!
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