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    Why the VH Reunion tour will happen

    I've been giving this some thought as of late - We all want VH to reunite, but what motives do VH have for doing it?

    I mean Ed's not known for giving the fans what they want.

    For the fans it's looking highly likely that something is set to happen here, but what do Ed, Dave and Al get? (I've missed Mike as he is/has not been involved in any of the talks between parties at present)

    The first thing they'll get is a big stack of money - 1 Million USD per show to be exact, plus whatever for an album. That's one incentive. But is it enough? Don't forget the Van Hagar 04 was a cash grab, but Ed wasn't happy with that.

    We've heard Dave talk about "needing closure", now I think this is closer to the mark. Dave's honest about it, he wants closure, Ed on the other hand need's closure to restore and preserve the VH legacy - without this Ed will never get VH into the Fall of Hall.
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    Don, how do you know they will get 1 million per show ?
    Is that a guess, or do you know something really cool ??
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    From the last I heard Mark 1 Million USD per show was the offer on the table for a 3 month US only tour. I am aware of a second offer - but the chances of that one been taken are.... remote.

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    IMO it shouldn't happen. If it does it'll be a disaster. All good things come to an end. Thats all there is to it.
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    Originally posted by Hummarstra
    IMO it shouldn't happen. If it does it'll be a disaster. All good things come to an end. Thats all there is to it.
    i couldn't agree more.
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    Except at the minute there has been no end. Dave's gone on record with this. Once the tour is done, then it will be over.

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    Originally posted by Hummarstra
    IMO it shouldn't happen. If it does it'll be a disaster. All good things come to an end. Thats all there is to it.
    I agree. 1984 David Lee Roth vocals/band performance only happened once.
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    Originally posted by MERRYKISSMASS2U
    I agree. 1984 David Lee Roth vocals/band performance only happened once.
    Agreed.

    I'm not saying it's 1984 still, or it's going to be 84 all over again. Dave's aged - he matured, and Ed can't slam like he once did. What I'm saying is they need the personal closure that the tour will bring.

    Many fans will say "don't do it". It may well stink up places (the way Ed's playing at the minute, it will), on the other hand Dave is on top form. This is something that both Dave and Ed need to do for themselves. That's what I'm saying.
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    As always, great post Don and always nice to see you posting somewhere besides Gear Street. lol

    Seriously, I tend to take both your posts and opinions more seriously than that of the average Joe Schmoes so to speak. Why is that? Well, in addition to being a card carrying Mod at the Mighty Rotharmy, I also happen to know that you post at another VH site (not the Links) that favors EVH.

    Anyhoo, I guess I have no point, just another mindless rant.

    However, I just put all of the varying factors together.

    1) Dave both sounds and looks better than he has in ages. He's matured and ain't tryin' to be the "Diamond Dave" stage persona of yesteryear. I think he fully knows where he is at this point and is not only doing it gracefully but he's also kicking asss and taking names when it comes to his live performances.

    2) Edward is actually acting more like what he always slammed Dave for doing for years. I think that whatever's been stuck up his ass for years causing such a musical and personal anal rententive attitude is gone. I'll be the first to admit that I'm NOT a fan of the new music that he's putting out. However and I will say this, at least it's NOT keyboard oriented.

    I'm also going to give Edward more credit for publicly dissing Hagar and Anthony for the sham of a "band" that they tour as with that stupid fucking name... "The Other Half..." What a joke!!! The "other half" of Van Hagar. :rolleyes" and

    I think Edward has finally gotten the clue that the ONLY way to regain ANY sort of public attention or fanfare for his music is to get back with Dave. I hope Alex is also willing to play ball.

    3) As for "Mikey" which happens to be the most fucking queer term that I've EVER heard from his fanbase. Seriously, that "Mikey" shit makes me wanna puke. Fine, the dude may be a nice person but so what? Who really gives a flying fuck about his backing vocals when it comes to Dave and Edward working together. Anthony's all about Hagar, so let him stay with the round rocker.

    So much more to say but I'll just use this little vent as my "go" point.
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    Well, whatever reunion happens, it'd better involve Mr. Anthony. If it doesn't, it's not a reunion, and CVH will not be back together by any measure, nor will there be any measure of closure.

    Frankly, as far as Mike's concerned, I don't blame him for being out with Sam. Fuck Ed and Alice, really. Mike honestly took it up the ass from them in 2004, and he gets fired for at least wanting to work? Sure, it may be with Sam, but at least the guy is doing something, which is a lot more than can be said for Ed and Alice. And no, I don't count Edward's pornographic fantasies as actual "work", either.

    I'm no fan of The Other Half, not by any measure, but I won't for a second bash on Anthony for at least keeping busy with somebody who he obviously gets along with/sees eye to eye with on a personal and professional note. I don't like Sam, I don't like his music and I don't like what Van Halen became with him, but where is the logic in bashing Mike for at least getting along with the guy? Frankly, on a personal level, I'm sure Sam probably is a nice enough guy.

    Ed has basically left no confusion to how he's felt about Mike's presence in the band - and probably for years - getting along with Sam, and Sam treating him like he's worth something, is probably the biggest breath of fresh air Mike's had in years. I mean, when you consider Ed practically wouldn't even let him play on an album half the time, took away his writing credits and made him sign off on any and all things related to the name Van Halen for simple monetary reasons...it becomes pretty easy to see where Mike's coming from.

    Again, nobody has to like the music, but Anthony deserves a little breathing room in regards to his relationship with Hagar.

    That said, again - any reunion of CVH members MUST include Anthony to be complete, otherwise it's not worth it happening and it should rightfully be viewed as incomplete otherwise. From that point of view, David seems to understand and share the same perspective - all 4 or not at all.
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    All things considered, I dont think the CVH would be that big of a deal any more, especially not in the mainstream media. With Eddie in his current state, it would also be a musical disaster.

    96 was the time. They could have reconquered the world with a tour then.

    Thanks, Eddie and Alex.
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    It all sounds great !
    (Although Ive learned not to hold my breath)

    It would be a let down after all this time if we
    didnt get the original line-up (Including Sammy's
    little bum boy)...

    Cant stand that "Other Half" crap... Van Hagar was
    shit, they could of at least called it "The other half of shit"....
    Would have been more appropriate..

    But still, if we are finally going to get the real reunion,
    MA has every right to be there...
    Even if he does gargle hagar jizz....

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    I know all my anger against any of these dudes would
    dissolve the instant a real reunion happened..

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    Dave will tour minus Mike - and no Wolfy will not be on bass for the tour.

    As for Mikey....He's such a nice guy that he's the only person who didn't actually ring Ed to offer his condolence at the passing of Ed and Al's mother.

    Ed's pissed off about this.

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    Heeya cometh the cuntinuation of my rant whether anyone wants it or not. lol.

    Maybe y'all are saying "He's not going to go after the bass player again is he?" Well, YES HE IS!!!

    Again and I cannot say it enough cos it's a moot point but this "Mikey" shit has to go!!! I swear, everytime I read a grown man referring to the bass player as the beloved "Mikey" I wanna kick them in their pussy and toss over their bowl of queerios.

    All of this shit (and that's what it is... SHIT!!!) about Michael Anthony being involved... Who gives a flying rats ass at this point? I say fuck Alex too. I'd go for broke to have just a Dave and Edward collaboration albeit an album/tour or what have you. Then and only then we'll truly see what the magic was all about. I guaran-gosh-fuckin'-tee that the masses could/would give two shits or more less about "Mikey's" background vocals IF a stellar bassplaya 'tis in tow along with some female background vocalists. Seriously, Do y'all honestly think anyone would give a shit whilst listenin' to the hits if Michael Anthony were there or not?

    Fuck, put ANY decent bass playa on said road show, give them a Mr. John Daniels Bass and nobody would even notice.

    Fuck, look at Who's Left or KI$$' tired act with a fake Frehley??? I swear, just put Dave and Edward out there and... BING-FUCKING-GO!!! VAN HALEN!!!

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    Originally posted by Don Corleone
    Dave will tour minus Mike - and no Wolfy will not be on bass for the tour.

    As for Mikey....He's such a nice guy that he's the only person who didn't actually ring Ed to offer his condolence at the passing of Ed and Al's mother.

    Ed's pissed off about this.
    I'm sorry Don cos the "Mikey" shit isn't directed towards yourself. I still find it gay though. lol.

    *Edit*

    Ooops, didn't get yer sarcasm... Again, an apology.

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    No worries Max

    The thing is Ed is known not to want the bass player involved at all in this project, at any stage of it. Dave is said to prefer it that the whole band go out together one last time, but would still tour without the bass player.

    As you say - so long as Ed and Dave are upfront you've got Van Halen.

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    Don,

    Thank you sir...

    Yup, it is as simple as that. Anthony does NOTHING but tail Hagar's ass and never has. Doesn't work with any other musicians. Seriously, how BOTH fucked up and gay is the fact that "Mikey" tours with the round rocker yet loves his bass player "Mona" so much that they have to have two? That ain't rock and roll, too many love ballads...

    Also, fuck MA for continiously dissing on Dave saying "It isn't 1984 anymore." No shit "Mikey" and it also isn't 1988 anymore... Van Hagar sucks, nobody neither remembers nor cares about what both Spam and you moaned together during that era.

    You diss Dave for not wanting to come onstage in Boston with Spam, Gary Cherone and yourself and croon a Van Hagar gay lullabye together? Please!!! Dave has more tact than that.

    Seriously, NOBODY wants ANY Van Hagar pollution on a tour when regarding Van Halen!!!! Hence the fans and most importantly, Dave himself!!!

    Fucking morons!!!

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    Originally posted by Hummarstra
    IMO it shouldn't happen. If it does it'll be a disaster. All good things come to an end. Thats all there is to it.
    True. But the way it ended left all of the fans feeling cheated. CVH has to do a reunion to get that monkey off of their backs. I'm sure Ed is fucking tired of every day being asked "when are you reuniting with Dave?". Once he does it, he can move on.
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    Which comes back to the original point that they need closure.

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    we all think because of age it will stink and we dont want to see VH stink.

    personally, a part of me believes that. but..... I find it hard to believe they would do it if it didnt work and sound great. dave can still do it, ed can too if he gets in shape.

    it might not be 1984 all over again but I bet it would be damn close. just 50% of the original form of the band would still sound light years better than Van Hagar. it would still sound great. people love dave live, just think of what it would sound like as the all original band. it WOULD sound great.

    I just think VH is bigger than anything ever done. if those guys do it its still gonna smoke anything out there at the moment or even in the last decade.

    VH is the only thing that could give rock music a kick in the butt again. I think it would get todays rockstars (i use the term lightly) motivation to make something memorable its been a long long time.

    dave has been ready a long time. but I dont think even dave thought it would be this long before it happened.


    I personally dont see it happening. ed is to concerened with making himself legit on todays scene and not being nostalgic. something he will never escape but seems to think he can.
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    I want Mike back, otherwise the sheep will say its not Van Halen !
    Think about it...

    We want to be able to rub the entire poo in their big fat pie holes !!

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    in the end if they did reunite we all know we would go watch them
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    It will never happen since Alex is still alive....
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    If they do reunite, I'm gonna be interested in the result, for sure.

    I no longer think it is inevitable, even though it really does make good sense; the Van Halens, Roth and the bass player have nothing going on with any level of urgency that a reunion would disrupt it.

    A million a show would be a good guess, as Van Hagar 2004 were getting anywhere from half a million to 750k per night, from what I've been able to cobble together.

    It's no longer a given with me that I'd DEFINITELY go to a show even if they did get back together - I'd go if the venue was close enough and ticket prices were reasonable (hint: ain't driving 500 miles and paying $500 to see it). Have already seen the classic lineup once and have enough classic footage to satisfy that craving.

    At this point, would rather see CLASSIC Van Halen put out a 2 or 3 disc set of any and all footage from the 1978 to 1984 era (promo, live, whatever) than see a reunion...

    And I'd like to hear what Eddie, Dave and company could come up with far as NEW music goes. Have seen Dave several times since he started touring again in 1999; he's always brought a slamming band with him, and I can honestly say that CVH ain't gonna be playing the classic stuff any better THESE DAYS than what Dave brings live to the stage on a regular basis. The emotion of seeing the classic lineup playing again in a big hall would be much higher than seeing Roth solo, but in terms of technical performance about the only thing a reunited CVH is gonna bring to the table that Dave's solo bands kinda don't are strength in the background vocals live.

    CVH reuniting is like Chinese Democracy for me nowadays; if it happens, I'll check out the result, but if it doesn't, I ain't worried about it.
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    Originally posted by Don Corleone
    Dave will tour minus Mike - and no Wolfy will not be on bass for the tour.

    As for Mikey....He's such a nice guy that he's the only person who didn't actually ring Ed to offer his condolence at the passing of Ed and Al's mother.

    Ed's pissed off about this.
    And as I've said before, watch the DVD "Early Van Halen Years" done in 2003 and BassPlayer bashes Dave....WTF?
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    Mike wanted to call ED, but it was Sammy's mantoris oral attention day.
    Dunno why he didnt call, its not like his mouth would have been
    that full ???

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    Originally posted by Hummarstra
    IMO it shouldn't happen. If it does it'll be a disaster. All good things come to an end. Thats all there is to it.
    you can't assume it'll be a disaster before its actually happened....

    it's much better than another tour with Hagar.....

    The fact that DLR and EVH might be getting back together must be reason enough to be interested....

    don't dismiss it completely....
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    Originally posted by lztom
    All things considered, I dont think the CVH would be that big of a deal any more, especially not in the mainstream media. With Eddie in his current state, it would also be a musical disaster.

    96 was the time. They could have reconquered the world with a tour then.

    Thanks, Eddie and Alex.
    Yep, a decade ago, they could've reclaimed their position as the number one band in the world. These days, even if Ed sobers up , not a chance! Oh the true fans, which are legion, would show up, but the mainstream interest wouldn't be the same. If they did a long series of killer shows, they might gain some of it back, but even so the moment has passed.
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    I don't think it will work.

    Ed is a fucking mess...plain and simple.
    Remember, Dave has a massive ego and Ed needs to be in control...and he has a mean streak.

    The 2004 showed how Ed can not work with anyone.
    He needs to get his ass kicked to get a wake up call.

    The bullshit with Mike shows how fucked up and selfish Ed is...if he has to leave out Mike to make himself feel good then fuck him.

    I really do not think an album with DLR would as big as we would hope.
    I would love to hear it...but we are most likely the only ones.

    Our band is dead...and has been for decades.

    I agree, 96 was the time.
    They had their chance and it slipped between their fingers.
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    Originally posted by WACF
    I don't think it will work.

    Ed is a fucking mess...plain and simple.
    Remember, Dave has a massive ego and Ed needs to be in control...and he has a mean streak.

    The 2004 showed how Ed can not work with anyone.
    He needs to get his ass kicked to get a wake up call.

    The bullshit with Mike shows how fucked up and selfish Ed is...if he has to leave out Mike to make himself feel good then fuck him.

    I really do not think an album with DLR would as big as we would hope.
    I would love to hear it...but we are most likely the only ones.

    Our band is dead...and has been for decades.

    I agree, 96 was the time.
    They had their chance and it slipped between their fingers.
    Pretty much.

    Would take issue with anyone who thinks a reunited CVH now is gonna be able to sell out stadiums and move millions of records by default.

    1996? Absolutely.

    Today? Maybe break a million or two on the record end and sell out those 10-15,000 seat arenas for two-night stands.

    Think it'd do better than than the Van Hagar 2004 reunion, commercially speaking, but all four classic members have dicked around for too long. Time is slipping away and the casual fanbase (which always outnumbers diehards like us) along with it; many just plain don't CARE anymore, and view 'Van Halen' as effectively dead.

    Might be better if they stay that way, because they're gonna have to pull a hat-trick at this point to make a reunion WORTH seeing. Won't be enough for me to see those guys onstage doing Unchained one more time for oldies' sake so Ed can stash away some more meth money.

    Fuck that shit.

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    Originally posted by WACF
    The bullshit with Mike shows how fucked up and selfish Ed is...if he has to leave out Mike to make himself feel good then fuck him.
    Except it's not really anything to do with that. Ed's had an axe to grind with Mike for years. Mike brings nothing to the table - he doesn't contribute in any way, yet he makes a lot of money. Add into the mix the lack of a phone from nice guy Mike following the passing of Ed and Al's mother and you've got one upset Ed.

    I can see Ed's point - why should the bass player get rich off his work?

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    I think Mike's vocals are a very important part of the Van Halen sound.

    Not key...but overall they would be missed.

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    If "Mikey" wants to buttfuck Sambo all day go ahead!

    The CVH legacy is much bigger than the bass player anyway.

    You need Al's snare sound and toms, Ed's guitar playing and Dave's singing, screams, yelps, stage presence FAR MORE than we need "Mikey"'s so-called background vocals and JD bass.
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    If they are not background vocals then what are they?

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    yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn...fuck them all...
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    I have to disagree on the Michael Anthony doesn't matter perspective. All his Spam adventures aside...

    The last couple of years when I hear DLR band performing I notice a distinct variance in the bass playing... the notes are there but the timing doesn't have the same feel. No disrespect to Dave's current guy but Lomenzo was the best bass guy he had.

    Second thing is... I cringe at the backing vocals DLR has today. They suck. Just doesn't have the Van Halen sound to it. The combo of Ed's low and Mike's high register is as patented CVH sound as Al's snare, Ed's guitar and Dave's vocals. IMO it's even sub-par backing vocals on Dave's solo pieces as well.

    Can't agree more the teaming of Ed and Dave is main ingredients we're looking for, but if the whole package isn't there it's just another one-off that shouldn't be called the Van Halen band.
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    Originally posted by ZahZoo
    Second thing is... I cringe at the backing vocals DLR has today. They suck. Just doesn't have the Van Halen sound to it.
    bullshit...listen to boots of the 2004 hagar tour and dave's current band...the back up harmonies are brillant...dave's karaoke band plays the songs better than the original team nowadays...sad but true...

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    yeah.. but...

    Dave's Karaoke band wont be at a CVH reunion !!

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    Ed's Mums passing seems to feature here strongly,
    did this happen after the sham tour in 2004, or before ??

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