VIRGINIANS: Vote YES on Ballot Question #1

[BigBadBrian]

Virgnia Ballot Question One
Article I. Bill of Rights. Section 15-A. Marriage
Wednesday, October 4, 2006; 1:25 PM


Shall Article I (the Bill of Rights) of the Constitution of Virginia be amended to state:

"That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions.


This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage."?

Explanation

Present Law

The Constitution does not define marriage. Under current statutory law in Virginia, persons who marry must have a license and be married by a licensed minister, judge, or other person authorized by law to perform marriages. Present law prohibits marriages between certain individuals. For example, the law prohibits a marriage between a brother and sister, between a couple where one of the parties is married to someone else, and between couples of the same sex.

In 1975, the General Assembly enacted a statute (present Code of Virginia § 20-45.2) that states "A marriage between persons of the same sex is prohibited."

In 1997, the General Assembly added a sentence to § 20-45.2 that states that:


Any marriage entered into by persons of the same sex in another state or jurisdiction shall be void in all respects in Virginia and any contractual rights created by such marriage shall be void and unenforceable.

In 2004, the General Assembly passed a law to prohibit certain civil unions or other arrangements between persons of the same sex. That law (Code of Virginia § 20-45.3) states that:


A civil union, partnership contract or other arrangement between persons of the same sex purporting to bestow the privileges or obligations of marriage is prohibited. Any such civil union, partnership contract or other arrangement entered into by persons of the same sex in another state or jurisdiction shall be void in all respects in Virginia and any contractual rights created thereby shall be void and unenforceable.

Thus, civil unions or other arrangements which purport "to bestow the privileges or obligations of marriage" are prohibited by statute.

Proposed Amendment

If approved by the voters, this proposed amendment will become part of the Constitution of Virginia. The proposed amendment adds a definition of marriage as the "union between one man and one woman" to the Constitution's Bill of Rights and prohibits Virginia and its counties, cities, and towns from creating or recognizing any legal status by any name which is comparable to marriage.

Marriage in the Commonwealth creates specific legal rights, benefits, and obligations for a man and a woman. There are other legal rights, benefits, and obligations which will continue to be available to unmarried persons, including the naming of an agent to make end-of-life decisions by an Advance Medical Directive (Code of Virginia § 54.1-2981), protections afforded under Domestic Violence laws (Code of Virginia § 18.2-57.2), ownership of real property as joint tenants with or without a right of survivorship (Code of Virginia § 55-20.1), or disposition of property by will (Code of Virginia § 64.1-46).

A "yes" vote on the proposed amendment will result in the addition of the proposed Section 15-A to Article I, the Bill of Rights. A "no" vote will mean that there will be no change made in Article I, the Bill of Rights.

FULL TEXT OF AMENDMENT

[Proposed new language is underlined. Existing language that is deleted is shown as stricken (stricken).]

Amend Article I of the Constitution of Virginia by adding a section numbered 15-A as follows:

ARTICLE I: BILL OF RIGHTS: Section 15-A. Marriage.

That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions.

This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage.

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[Nickdfresh]

Is it still okay to bang your sister in parts of Virginia?

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Is it still okay to bang your sister in parts of Virginia?

Move here with your sister and find out!

[DEMON CUNT]

[BigBadBrian]

This, coming from a man that goes by the name of CUNT. I'll bet you are!

[BigBadBrian]

Just think, you spent the time making that nice little picture up while some neocon was banging your old lady.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Move here with your sister and find out!

I already lived there a while back, and was in Northern Virginia this spring.

I tried not to venture more than about 50 miles south of DC, since the "hill people" lived there.

And remember Bri, it's not gay if you're butt-raping the city men-folk.

[DEMON CUNT]

Pathetic comebacks from a pathetic little man.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I already lived there a while back, and was in Northern Virginia this spring.

I tried not to venture more than about 50 miles south of DC, since the "hill people" lived there.

And remember Bri, it's not gay if you're butt-raping the city men-folk.

I'll take your word for it. You know more about butt-raping men-folk more than anyone in this forum...with the exception possibly of Demon Cunt.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
Pathetic comebacks from a pathetic little man.

How true! You posted after Nick.

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I'll take your word for it. You know more about butt-raping men-folk more than anyone in this forum...with the exception possibly of Demon Cunt.

C'mon BigBland, you are the one hoping that I am a fag.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I'll take your word for it. You know more about butt-raping men-folk more than anyone in this forum...with the exception possibly of Demon Cunt.

Um no dude, we don't live in the rural south...

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Um no dude, we don't live in the rural south...

Another stereotype you constantly live with and believe, I see.

Go ahead, that's what keeps you guys from winning the big prize.

[sadaist]

Something I don't understand about gays. Why do they define themselves by what their sexual preference is? Example: in Survivor last season, the individuals when speaking of the tribe, always referred to themselves as the cop, the football player, the businessman & the gay guy. Even the gay guy used this terminology when referring to himself and tribemembers.

Heterosexuals don't define themselves as "the straight guy". Insurance broker, musician, athelete, student...sure.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Another stereotype you constantly live with and believe, I see.

Go ahead, that's what keeps you guys from winning the big prize.

Yeah, because people really give a shit about gay marriage anymore. I am sure this is a very substantive issue for you because you now have an excuse never to "commit."

But I think the country at-large is more worried about real issues, like Wars and idiotic policies you've enabled...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by sadaist
Something I don't understand about gays. Why do they define themselves by what their sexual preference is? Example: in Survivor last season, the individuals when speaking of the tribe, always referred to themselves as the cop, the football player, the businessman & the gay guy. Even the gay guy used this terminology when referring to himself and tribemembers.

Heterosexuals don't define themselves as "the straight guy". Insurance broker, musician, athelete, student...sure.

Deep thinking by Sadiast...

I think actually the network may have referred to him as "the gay guy," and he just perhaps went along with it since it seems reality TV needs to have a gay dude, and Survivor likes to border on the fringes of overt racism with their race-centered teams. But I don't watch the show since I find reality-TV to be kind of 'gay' in general.

[sadaist]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Deep thinking by Sadiast...

I think actually the network may have referred to him as "the gay guy," and he just perhaps went along with it since it seems reality TV needs to have a gay dude, and Survivor likes to border on the fringes of overt racism with their race-centered teams. But I don't watch the show since I find reality-TV to be kind of 'gay' in general.

Yeah, maybe. They way they edit can make you like or dislike any person on the show. In interviews, people would say that the "complaining guy" only complained a few times, but that's all they showed which sways viewer opinion.

But I do notice in other circumstances that gays do tend to define themselves by their sexuality. Then they don't like when other people stereotype of define them by it. If you don't want to be known as a stoner, quit wearing you marijuana leaf t-shirt.

[LoungeMachine]

What is it about gay Americans getting married that scares the shit out of people like Brie?

[FORD]

Who is it that is really defining gays by their sexual orientation?

Who is it that is trying to amend state constitutions and even the US constitution to deny rights to people, based on nothing more than that reason?

And why is it always the same fucking inbred sister-fuckers who have to have SOMEONE to discriminate against?

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
What is it about gay Americans getting married that scares the shit out of people like Brie?

You will notice that as their holy war in Iraq deteriorates, neocons will turn up the volume on other hot button topics as to avoid any discussion of The War Against Terror (T.W.A.T.).

Note that BigBland was all about elections and queers today. Along, of course, with his poor attempts to insult his intellectual superiors.

[Nickdfresh]

BTW, I apologise if I am wrong here, but didn't Brian say he was having marital troubles?

I mean, do we really need people that have been through two or three divorces crowing about the horrors of gay marriage, and how the institution of marriage is in jeopardy?

[knuckleboner]

i'm voting no.

marriage is legally nothing more than a legal contract between 2 people.

religions can do whatever they want with marriage under their specific dogmas. but in the civil sphere, it's simply a contract.

who am i to tell 2 consenting adults that they can't make that contract?

[blueturk]

Is gay marriage all that Virginians have to worry about?

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
i'm voting no.

marriage is legally nothing more than a legal contract between 2 people.

religions can do whatever they want with marriage under their specific dogmas. but in the civil sphere, it's simply a contract.

who am i to tell 2 consenting adults that they can't make that contract?

Wow.

A cuntservative Repube from VA with common sense and the strength to allow every American the same right he expects.......



They do exist...........

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by blueturk
Is gay marriage all that Virginians have to worry about?

That, and getting the clap at family reunions......

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Wow.

A cuntservative Repube from VA with common sense and the strength to allow every American the same right he expects.......



They do exist...........

heh heh. not conservative or republican. but thanks anyways...

[DEMON CUNT]

Aren't weddings kinda gay anyway?

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I already lived there a while back, and was in Northern Virginia this spring.

I tried not to venture more than about 50 miles south of DC, since the "hill people" lived there.

I take offense to that...

Sincerely,
VA (200 miles south of D.C.)

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
I take offense to that...

Sincerely,
VA (200 miles south of D.C.)

Well you're okay. Besides, you're a military transplant, as was I.

And I think you must know what I mean. Wooft!

[FORD]

Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
I take offense to that...

Sincerely,
VA (200 miles south of D.C.)

Yeah, but you have Pat Robertson for a neighbor, and that's even worse

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Yup, he's right down the road....

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by knuckleboner i'm voting no.

marriage is legally nothing more than a legal contract between 2 people.

religions can do whatever they want with marriage under their specific dogmas. but in the civil sphere, it's simply a contract.

who am i to tell 2 consenting adults that they can't make that contract?

I've never seen it written so succinctly. Great post.




BBB: you and your ilk are wasting EVERYONE'S FUCKING TIME with this bullshit.

BTW when the Cards lose, will your obnoxious sig get any smaller? Or will you find some other lame-ass picture to put in there?

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
BBB: you and your ilk are wasting EVERYONE'S FUCKING TIME with this bullshit.

BTW when the Cards lose, will your obnoxious sig get any smaller? Or will you find some other lame-ass picture to put in there?

I'm pretty sure that there will be more shitty Photoshop lies about the next Democratic candidate for President.

Oh, I wonder what the joke will be if it is Obama? I ask sarcastically.

[fe_lung]

I voted no on that one. Why? Because Rick Santorum says gay marriage is a slippery slope to Man-Dog marriage and me and my doggy love each other a lot.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
BTW, I apologise if I am wrong here, but didn't Brian say he was having marital troubles?

Nope, wasn't me.

And to answer LM's question: Nothing scares me about gay marriage other than it goes directly against what I believe marriage to be, a sacred union between man and woman.

I don't want mine or anyone else's kids thinking that two butt-darts going down the street like FORD and Demon Cunt having a sword fight with their tonques is OK.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
I've never seen it written so succinctly. Great post.




BBB: you and your ilk are wasting EVERYONE'S FUCKING TIME with this bullshit.

BTW when the Cards lose, will your obnoxious sig get any smaller? Or will you find some other lame-ass picture to put in there?

Wasting everyone's time. TOO FUCKING BAD. Deal with it, Mr. Mental Midget.

Don't read the thread if it's wasting your time, Dumbass.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
I'm pretty sure that there will be more shitty Photoshop lies about the next Democratic candidate for President.

Oh, I wonder what the joke will be if it is Obama? I ask sarcastically.

It's not Obama, it's Osama, just like that drunk Ted Kennedy called him.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Nope, wasn't me.

And to answer LM's question: Nothing scares me about gay marriage other than it goes directly against what I believe marriage to be, a sacred union between man and woman.

I don't want mine or anyone else's kids thinking that two butt-darts going down the street like FORD and Demon Cunt having a sword fight with their tonques is OK.

Wow, you sure have a vivid imagination for gayness...

And this is all about your paranoia of having a gay son possibly?

[Hardrock69]

knuckleboner said it best.

IF BBB wants to believe that he can only marry a woman, more power to him.

That does not give him (or anyone else) the right to dictate what anyone else should believe.

In fact, anyone that believes they can dictate how people should live their lives (as far as non-criminal behaviour goes) is a stupid fuckheaded asshole!

[fe_lung]

Holy Matrimony is between a man and a woman (perhaps). Marriage is a legal contract between two adults.

Actually, I'm ok with banning gay marriage but I think that if you're going to take away a basic right from a group of American citizens then you have to give them a gimmie to offset it. To my mind, that gimmie ought to be this: Gay people can't get married but in exchange they are 100% tax exempt. No state, not local, no federal, no sales - nothing save social security and medicare.

You'd have to register as a homosexual (perhaps some proof might be required) and would be issued a homo-ID card. Make it a pink card, or rainbow, whatever - and you're all set.

I know, you're all waiting to see how many conservatives suddenly come out of the closet.....

BUT

If you are at any point discovered to be engaged in hetero activity then you have to pay back every cent you should have been paying all along at - say - 6,000% interest plus a 2 million dollar fine.