Spammy era Guitar solos

[c5150b]

Sorry if a repost but I would like to hear the take on Ed then vs. when he was with Dave. I say a major change and a much softer sound as we all know. Nothing like the solos of CVH! What your all's take?

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[c5150b]

Would like to see someone do the CVH stuff solos!!

[Terry]

Problem with all the Van Hagar solos is that Ed was going on autopilot...

As a guitarist, I can say that nothing Ed did after Dave left made me wanna figure out how to play it...There were no Eruption-like moments, where it sent me scrambling for my axe trying to figure out how he did it...

Van Hagar solos - pinched harmonic coupled with tremolo bar dive, some random tapping, then some fast trilling up the high-E string, open low-E string with tremolo bar dive...lather, rinse, repeat.

We'd all heard it done before, with more intensity, by the same guitarist with Dave in the band.

Uninspired with Sam.

'Nuff said.

[PlexiBrown]

His solos in the Spam years weren't as ripping and blistering as they were with Dave. The soloing on 5150 was especially annoying. It was like he was trying to solo like Spammy sings. Like cats being tortured.

[Diamondjimi]

Originally posted by Terry
Problem with all the Van Hagar solos is that Ed was going on autopilot...

As a guitarist, I can say that nothing Ed did after Dave left made me wanna figure out how to play it...There were no Eruption-like moments, where it sent me scrambling for my axe trying to figure out how he did it...

Van Hagar solos - pinched harmonic coupled with tremolo bar dive, some random tapping, then some fast trilling up the high-E string, open low-E string with tremolo bar dive...lather, rinse, repeat.

We'd all heard it done before, with more intensity, by the same guitarist with Dave in the band.

Uninspired with Sam.

'Nuff said.

My thoughts exactly!

Could'nt have said it better myself. He became a cliche`d parody of himself.
Two words that sum it up. Boring and uninspired

As for using a drill on his guitar(Asscake aka "Poundcake"). Paul Gilbert beat him to it by a few years.

If he seriously wants to regain his title and become relevant again , he'd best be doing his homework.

[PlexiBrown]

If he seriously wants to regain his title and become relevant again , he'd best be doing his homework.

I think that just playing with Dave again will change Eddie's playing for the better. Dave brings out the best in Eddie's playing. Eddie's playing sounded pretty cool on those 2 songs they did with Roth after Sammy left and before the Cherone crap.

[Kilkmaru]

Weird ain't it

[FORD]

Eddie played a solo on each of the first 5 Van HALEN albums...

VH 1 - Eruption
VH II - Spanish Fly
WACF - Fools Intro
Fair Warning - Mean Street Intro
Diver Down - Actually there were TWO on this album - Cathedral and the Little Guitars intro,

Unfortunately on 1984, he blew it off and put in a fucking keyboard intro before Jump instead.

But still, that's 6 solos on 5 records, each showcasing a remarkable talent, whether using electric or acoustic guitars.

By contrast, only ONE Van Hagar album had a solo on it, that would be "316" on the FUCK album.

Compared to ANY of the 6 solos on the Van HALEN records, 316 was incredibly routine, predicitable and boring. And though it was supposedly named for Wolfie's birthdate, rumor is that even this solo was actually written in 1984. Which would mean Eddie wrote NO guitar solos in Van Hagar at all. Unless you count that "Balifuckterium" or whatever it was called on Balance, which wasn't so much a solo as much as a dumb song title that not even Hagar could hang a cheesy lyric on.

I jumped all over some sheep on YouTube for calling Eddie the "true innovator" responsible for Van Halen's success. If so, why the fuck didn't he "innovate" anything without David Lee Roth??

As usual, the sheep had no answer.

[Diamondjimi]

Originally posted by FORD
Eddie played a solo on each of the first 5 Van HALEN albums...

VH 1 - Eruption
VH II - Spanish Fly
WACF - Fools Intro
Fair Warning - Mean Street Intro
Diver Down - Actually there were TWO on this album - Cathedral and the Little Guitars intro,

Unfortunately on 1984, he blew it off and put in a fucking keyboard intro before Jump instead.

But still, that's 6 solos on 5 records, each showcasing a remarkable talent, whether using electric or acoustic guitars.

By contrast, only ONE Van Hagar album had a solo on it, that would be "316" on the FUCK album.

Compared to ANY of the 6 solos on the Van HALEN records, 316 was incredibly routine, predicitable and boring. And though it was supposedly named for Wolfie's birthdate, rumor is that even this solo was actually written in 1984. Which would mean Eddie wrote NO guitar solos in Van Hagar at all. Unless you count that "Balifuckterium" or whatever it was called on Balance, which wasn't so much a solo as much as a dumb song title that not even Hagar could hang a cheesy lyric on.

I jumped all over some sheep on YouTube for calling Eddie the "true innovator" responsible for Van Halen's success. If so, why the fuck didn't he "innovate" anything without David Lee Roth??

As usual, the sheep had no answer.

And there you have it . It's so obvious EVH blew his creative wad before DLR bailed. A percentage of their material/riffs (CVH) was culled from earlier songs that did'nt cut it. (Any doubters need only listen to the"Zero" demos) . VH's well of good ideas ran dry many years ago. "Up for Breakfast"? C'mon give us a fuckin break. Where's the 10 albums of material he's supposedly has ? If it's anything like "Breakfast" I'm not interested ,especially if The Round Rocker is squealing over it !
No matter which site sheep are drivveling on they must atone to the facts. Van Halen ain't shit without Dave !
Nice one FORD.

[house0paincakes]

The guitar playing in "Me Wise Magic" is pretty nice.

Once again, he had Dave to light a fire under his ass.

[PlexiBrown]

You can't have Van Halen without Dave and Eddie. Together they had the magic.

[c5150b]

Hey, I'll just take a new album even if the "tour" never happens. I just want to see what Ed's got left. Hopefully we'll be impressed if it's not full of a bunch of dumb effects like the sustainer in his porn song. I think Dave can pull his part off without a hitch but Ed? It's funny I say that because I used to think the other way around. I think Ed needs Dave now more than ever!

[mikefont]

Ford wrote: Compared to ANY of the 6 solos on the Van HALEN records, 316 was incredibly routine, predicitable and boring. And though it was supposedly named for Wolfie's birthdate, rumor is that even this solo was actually written in 1984.

If you watch Ed's solo on "Live Without A Net", he starts it off by playing 316 (with Al drummin behind it), and this was before Wolfie was born. Although, I DO like Ed's solo for 5150 on the "Live Without A Net" video....with the delay, it sounded AWESOME! Actually, I like the solo to 5150 off of the cd as well. But all this was after Ed had nothing more to prove (in HIS mind), and started resting on his laurels! He actually had SOOO much of his killer tunes and riffs written before the band was even signed! He was just a FLOOD of inspiration back then, and he was still young and out to conquer the world. AND even then, he could be repetitive LIVE! I doubt that even getting back with Dave, that he'll get the inspiration to solo like a WITCH again!
He is still my favorite guitarist of all time, but I do HOPE that he DOES find that fire again, and his new tunes will thoroughly kick my ASS!!!!

[Matt White]

EVH with DAVID LEE ROTH & Classic VAN HALEN: Too many guitar innovations to list.....


EVH without DAVID LEE ROTH.....

The "HORSE WHINNY"...that annoying depressed note pinch harmonic that he pulled up on....which is in EVERY van hagar era solo....including that tired bag of shit solo in DEAD WITHOUT DAVID LEE ROTH...DVD

FUCK van hagar

[DylanLeeRoth]

van hagar has alot better songs. so eat shit.

[FORD]

Originally posted by DylanLeeRoth
van hagar has alot better songs. so eat shit.

Better songs for WHAT?

Inspiring card writers at the Hallmark factory??

Soundtracks for those gay cruises that Sammy takes with his Velveetareeta fan club??

Inspiring dairy cows to give premium quality milk so they can produce the best CHEESE???

[PlexiBrown]

van hagar has alot better songs. so eat shit.

Go to the Links if you want to join in on the Sammy Hagar ass kiss fest.

Sammy wrote some of the worst lyrics in Rock history coupled with singing, if listened to, was like having somebody throw razor blades into your ears. His whole presence is annoying.

[ppg960]

Originally posted by DylanLeeRoth
van hagar has alot better songs. so eat shit.

Are you still here? Go suck Spammy's Crank asshole lover.


Also consider during the Hagar years, they started producing their own music.
You can tell Ted Templeman wasn't there.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
Go to the Links if you want to join in on the Sammy Hagar ass kiss fest.

Better yet, go to Martina McBride's site and start a Sammy Hagar ass kiss fest.

No mods!

[DylanLeeRoth]

Dude, "Top of the World" "I Can't Stop Loving You" "Right Now" "Summer Nights" "Black and Blue" "Dreams" "Why Can't This be Love" "Love Comes Walking In" are all amazing songs. Van Hagar appealed to a larger fan base hence the more record sales, I was recently reading a rock magazine, one of the few on the shelf so I'm pretty positive it has credibility. They did the top 100 lead singer list and they had Sammy 8th overall and DLR 12th overall. Even the main rock n roll critiques agree with me, Sammy is the man. And you can't deny his great voice, much more power then DLR.

[Wawazat]

Originally posted by DylanLeeRoth
Dude, "Top of the World" "I Can't Stop Loving You" "Right Now" "Summer Nights" "Black and Blue" "Dreams" "Why Can't This be Love" "Love Comes Walking In" are all amazing songs. Van Hagar appealed to a larger fan base hence the more record sales, I was recently reading a rock magazine, one of the few on the shelf so I'm pretty positive it has credibility. They did the top 100 lead singer list and they had Sammy 8th overall and DLR 12th overall. Even the main rock n roll critiques agree with me, Sammy is the man. And you can't deny his great voice, much more power then DLR.

I´ve heard of hangovers,
but this is ridiculous!

[Gary Cherone]

Originally posted by DylanLeeRoth
Dude, "Top of the World" "I Can't Stop Loving You" "Right Now" "Summer Nights" "Black and Blue" "Dreams" "Why Can't This be Love" "Love Comes Walking In" are all amazing songs. Van Hagar appealed to a larger fan base hence the more record sales, I was recently reading a rock magazine, one of the few on the shelf so I'm pretty positive it has credibility. They did the top 100 lead singer list and they had Sammy 8th overall and DLR 12th overall. Even the main rock n roll critiques agree with me, Sammy is the man. And you can't deny his great voice, much more power then DLR.

What about Josephine?

[Gary Cherone]

Dylan, do you want me to come around and sing you More than Words so you don't have those bad dreams again?

Has the bed-wetting stopped?

[DylanLeeRoth]

i got a better idea, why dont you come over dressed like sammy and sing me some amsterdame.

[Gary Cherone]

Originally posted by DylanLeeRoth
i got a better idea, why dont you come over dressed like sammy and sing me some amsterdame.

Maybe I can explain how you spell it too. I'm hurt that you'd prefer Sam to seranade you over me. Are you gay for him? Does he put the cream in your coffee

Say high to your mom for me....

[DylanLeeRoth]

Ya I told my mom Gary Cherone said hi and she responded with the ol' "Extreme sucks the big one." Sorry bud. Oh and Sammy's voice is capable of getting Rosie O'Donnelle wet so you got to give him his props.

Other then that, I think we can all agree Van Hagar produced better songs then Van Halen, record sales are all the proof you need. You're telling me a couple fudgepacking coons who visit this forum buying the records in hope of CVH resemblence is what made the record sales? Get a clue you faggots. Van Hagar for life.

[binnie]

Roth era sold more than Hagar era, how many times does it have to be said.

Check the VH website, it's all there.

All you need is basic maths, even you can add it up.

[DylanLeeRoth]

Ya and after that let's all count the hairs on DLR's head. That some basic fourth grade shit right there. My estimate is 13 tops.

[Gary Cherone]

Originally posted by DylanLeeRoth
Ya I told my mom Gary Cherone said hi and she responded with the ol' "Extreme sucks the big one." Sorry bud. Oh and Sammy's voice is capable of getting Rosie O'Donnelle wet so you got to give him his props.

She sucked me.

[DylanLeeRoth]

Ya wow bud, you should be happy I even responded to your mom joke. Mom jokes are so 1995, but I know thats when you were "in" so I'll let it go this time.

[binnie]

Originally posted by DylanLeeRoth
Ya and after that let's all count the hairs on DLR's head. That some basic fourth grade shit right there. My estimate is 13 tops.

Dip-shit. You claimed Hagar-era supremacy on the basis of record sales. I simply stated you were wrong.

You raised the issue of counting records, not me - so who's guilty of the "fourth grade shit"?

Jesus, how many more times do you want ot contradict yourself?

[DylanLeeRoth]

Get out the stats, and let's compare record sales jizzbreath. Don't sit there and act like Van Halen is the best selling band of all time, 90% of the time I talk about them no one has a clue what I'm talking about. Its DEPRESSING TO. I LOVE VAN HALEN I REALLY DO..but Van Hagar is that much better, when I say you guys like Van Hagar people know exactly what I'm talking about. Listen I know Van Halen was releasing records in 1973 and all, but there legacy is dead. The true legacy is Van Hagars, the Van Hagar fan base is ever growing. As the days pass and the Van Halen fans are regulated to old folks homes and death the Van Hagar army will expand to Beatle popularity eventually.

[binnie]

You want stats?

From the VH website, American sales.


VHI: Diamond status (10 million)
VHII: 5 million
Women and Children First: 3 million
Fair Warning: 2 million
Diver Down: 4 million
1984: diamond (10 million)

I make that 34 million.

Hagar-era:

5150: 6 million
OU812: 4 million
FUCK: 3 million
Live, Right here Right now: 2 million
Balance: 3 million

Thats 18 million.

So only just over half the Roth-era records then.

Want more proof?

[DylanLeeRoth]

Yes you obviously changed those statistics. Also if you look at the record sale average Van Hagar dominates. You see if the Beatles released one album that made 50 million, and then Backstreet Boys released 30 albums that made 55 million does that mean Backstreet boys are better then the Beatles? Didn't think so. Owned.

[binnie]

Originally posted by DylanLeeRoth
Yes you obviously changed those statistics. .

You fucking moron!

Log onto the Van Halen website and check for yourself!

[snakeskincowboy]

hey dylan- were you at the hagar thanksgiving dinner or did sam give ya some free cabo?- no offense sam fan man, but you are woefully wrong on your record sales claim- do some homework- cheers!

[binnie]

Originally posted by snakeskincowboy
but you are woefully wrong on your record sales claim- do some homework- cheers!

Thank-you.

Cool poster name too....

[PlexiBrown]

DylanLeeRoth is probably that know it all moron from the links who goes by the name of Van Squalen.

[PlexiBrown]

Hagar fans want so badly for everyone to believe what they believe about Hagar. They want all Van Halen fans to think that Hagar made VH better and that Van Hagar had better songs and sold more albums. They are in serious denial.

Van Halen saved Hagar from fading into even more obscurity then he already was. Van Halen pretty much ruled the rock world before Hagar joined.

The CVH catalog way outsells the Van Hagar catalog and will outsell it even more with the new generation of Van Halen fans who can't stand Van Hagar.

As far as concert attendance goes, CVH toured every year and played more times in each city then they did with Spam and CVH sold out arenas everywhere.

Van Hagar fans worst nightmare is to have DLR back in Van Halen. It is Sammy's worst nightmare too.

[lztom]

Here's the acid test on the actual question:

If you were to trail around some guitar shops probably anywhere in the world and hung around in each one for a bit, I'd be hugely surprised if you had to visit two or three before you heard a CVH Eddie solo being nailed/massacred (usually the latter). You could maybe tour round all summer until (if) you heard a Van Hagar era Eddie solo.

Personally, I have never heard a Van Hagar solo being played in any guitar shop.

I think that says it all.