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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    So much for Joe Biden's campaign

    WASHINGTON

    Delaware Sen. Joe Biden said he meant no harm nor racist foul when he cracked wise about Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, one of several fellow Democrats seeking the party's 2008 presidential nomination.

    "I believe I was quoted accurately, but they weren't meant to be shots," Biden said of a story published in The New York Observer Wednesday. In it, he is quoted saying of Obama: “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

    "My mother has an expression: Clean as a whistle, sharp as a tack. That's the context. He's crisp and clear," Biden said, explaining his comment.

    "The idea was very straightforward and simple. This guy is brand new and something no one has seen before. ... Barack Obama is probably the most exciting candidate that either party has produced since I've been around," Biden said.

    Accomplished Activists Asked whether he wanted to throw down the gauntlet and respond to Biden's quoted remarks, Obama refused to be drawn into the fight.

    "I am not going parse his words that carefully. ... You'd have to ask Senator Biden what he was thinking," Obama said.

    "I don't spend too much time worrying about what folks are talking about during a campaign season," he added.

    In an afternoon conference call to discuss his presidency, Biden said he's sure the African-American community isn't taking offense at his description of Obama as "articulate," a no-no that can be traced back at least to the 1996 effort to draft Colin Powell for a run for the president. At the time, comedian Chris Rock slammed the description of Powell as articulate in a riotous stand-up routine that forever put the expression in the trash bin of backhanded compliments.

    "I have no doubt Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the rest know exactly what I meant," Biden said of African-American leaders. "They know what I was saying. That this is a special guy. It's like catching lightning in a jar... I really regret that some have taken my words out of context. I've spoken to Barack about it."

    Biden also yielded to his colleague to say whether he was offended or not.

    "Ask Obama what I thought. He knows what I meant by it," Biden said.

    But Biden, who's never been shy to speak his mind, wasn't entirely generous in his appraisal of Obama. In the article, which had plenty of less-than-flattering comments about other 2008 Democratic presidential wannabes, Biden questioned Obama's electability, calling him "a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate."

    Biden added: “I don’t recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic” on Iraq.

    As for Hillary Clinton, Biden said the New York senator's position on Iraq "baffles" him.

    “From the part of Hillary’s proposal, the part that really baffles me is, ‘We’re going to teach the Iraqis a lesson.’" Biden tells the Observer. "We’re not going to equip them? OK. Cap our troops and withdraw support from the Iraqis? That’s a real good idea.”

    Biden, whose ideas include dividing Iraq into three autonomous republics divided by ethnic group -- Kurdish, Sunni and Shiite, reportedly said Clinton's policy on Iraq would result in “nothing but disaster,” and he goes on to question the former first lady's electability.

    “Everyone in the world knows her,” Biden, 64, told the Observer. “Her husband has used every single legitimate tool in his behalf to lock people in, shut people down. Legitimate. And she can’t break out of 30 percent for a choice for Democrats?"

    He also called former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards — along with 2004 running mate Sen. John Kerry — "perfect blow-dried candidates," adding that on Iraq, "I don't think John Edwards knows what the heck he is talking about."

    Biden described Edwards' position on Iraq as "like so much Fluffernutter out there."

    "So for me, what I think you have to do is have a strategic notion. And they may have it — they are just smart enough not to enunciate it."

    Biden conducted a less contentious interview with The Philadelphia Inquirer, saying he learned his lessons from his 1988 run at the White House — namely "words matter" and "to lose one's temper is not a good thing."

    Biden appeared to have his sense of humor intact Wednesday while listening to former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing. In it, Kissinger, denied a quote attributed to him in Bob Woodward's book "State of Denial." In it, Kissinger supposedly told then-White House speechwriter Michael Gerson that the United States needed to "humiliate" radical Islam in Iraq.

    Kissinger said he "never said anything like that" and expressed disdain for "a kind of journalism" that takes "an alleged quote" and "spins a theory around it." To that response, Biden, the panel's chairman, quipped: "Last time you help him write a speech."

    In his announcement of a presidential bid, which appears on his campaign Web site, Biden took a serious tone: "The next president of the United States is going to have to be prepared to immediately step in and act without hesitation to end our involvement in Iraq without further destabilizing the Middle East and the rest of the world. Our safety is at stake."

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    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
  • hideyoursheep
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Jan 2007
    • 6351

    #2
    So, what's "new" here?

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    • DLR'sCock
      Crazy Ass Mofo
      • Jan 2004
      • 2937

      #3
      what an idiot

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      • hideyoursheep
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Jan 2007
        • 6351

        #4
        More spin on a "comment" by the press 'cause they're desperate for a story? More "out of context" quotes? Happens every election.They all do it-what the fuck did I miss?

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        • Guitar Shark
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Jan 2004
          • 7576

          #5
          Wow.
          ROTH ARMY MILITIA


          Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
          Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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          • Guitar Shark
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Jan 2004
            • 7576

            #6
            It's too bad, actually, because I thought Biden might make a pretty good candidate.

            On second thought, this isn't necessarily the type of comment he can't recover from. Who knows.
            ROTH ARMY MILITIA


            Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
            Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 58755

              #7
              See ya, Senator Hairplug (D - MBNA)
              Eat Us And Smile

              Cenk For America 2024!!

              Justice Democrats


              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • hideyoursheep
                ROTH ARMY ELITE
                • Jan 2007
                • 6351

                #8
                Not for nothing,but it wasn't like he called the guy a "maccaca".

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                • hideyoursheep
                  ROTH ARMY ELITE
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 6351

                  #9
                  OH, HE SAID HE'S "CLEAN".......ok,flame away.

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                  • Hardrock69
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 21833

                    #10
                    Hey, so a dirty white boy decides to call a person of mixed heritage clean. Was he commenting on his personal hygeine?

                    What a fucking moron.


                    His campaign is over before it began.

                    Obama released a statement saying he "didn't take personally what was said, but the statement Biden made was historically inaccurate."

                    He was referring to the fact that Biden said he was the first black candidate to be articulate, therefore making it appear he was calling ALL previous Afro-American political candidates "inarticulate", and to say that about them would be pretty impossible.

                    The above paragraph is paraphrasing Obama, but I just saw it on CNN a few minutes ago and am typing from memory.

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                    • LoungeMachine
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 32555

                      #11
                      Was it stoopid?

                      Yes.

                      Is it regrettable?

                      You betcha.

                      Is it a campaign ender?

                      Probably in this day and age.

                      Was he meaning to be a racist, ala George Allen?

                      Doubt it.

                      Am I channeling Donald Rumsfeld?

                      Heavens to Betsy.

                      Is BigBagBrian a Fag?

                      Well, I clicked it, so it must be true.

                      Originally posted by Kristy
                      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                      Originally posted by cadaverdog
                      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                      • Guitar Shark
                        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 7576

                        #12
                        Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                        Is BigBagBrian a Fag?

                        Well, I clicked it, so it must be true.
                        Hehehe.
                        ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                        Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                        Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

                        Comment

                        • FORD
                          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 58755

                          #13
                          There are knowns that we know and then there are knowns that we don't know. And then there are unknowns that we don't know and unknowns that we know we don't know yet.

                          So we know that Brian is a fag because we pushed the button but how does Joe Biden know the level of Obama's "cleanliness" unless Brian was in the shower with him, probably dropping the soap, but we don't know that unknown for sure, and most of us would rather not know.

                          Can dumb comments by hair plug wearing credit card company shills end their presidential campaigns as soon as plagarism did the last time? It's possible. Will that happen who knows? I'm just channeling an unemployed Nazi old man, don't ask me!
                          Eat Us And Smile

                          Cenk For America 2024!!

                          Justice Democrats


                          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                          • LoungeMachine
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 32555

                            #14
                            I miss Rummy.

                            I mean, if it wasn't for the fact he's responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans.....
                            Originally posted by Kristy
                            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                            Originally posted by cadaverdog
                            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                            • Terry
                              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 11957

                              #15
                              Biden, like Gephardt, has been running for the nomination seemingly forever. Neither of 'em are ever gonna get elected to the White House, so no clear-thinking person is going to take either or their candidacies seriously.
                              Scramby eggs and bacon.

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